Rape Gang - How'd they get away with it for so long?
Discussion
longblackcoat said:
Don't get me wrong - the perpetrators absolutely need to be imprisoned for a long time. No excuses there.
As ever, it seems to be the case that those who are meant to look out for vulnerable children fall down on the job. They certainly didn't abuse the girls, but by shrugging and doing very little they allowed it to go on for as long as it did.
And do you know who else I would add to that list? The Labour party. The Labour party which for its own political gerrymandering ends brought us mass, uncontrolled immigration on a scale and at a pace never seen before in this country's history, all under the guise of "multiculturalism". Having set that process in train, the Labour party then proceeded to ensure it was politically unchallengable until very recently by poisoning the political debate. Any questionning of the policy was shouted down and those daring to question were instantly branded as racist. It was impossible to talk about. And that insidious pressure carried over to the Police and Social services which were encouraged to turn a blind eye to what was happening under their noses for fear of kicking off inter racial tensions that would possibly have exploded into violence, but which would certainly have put Labours policy squarely in the spotlight. As ever, it seems to be the case that those who are meant to look out for vulnerable children fall down on the job. They certainly didn't abuse the girls, but by shrugging and doing very little they allowed it to go on for as long as it did.
The girls, the victims, were cannon fodder for Labours gerrymandering.
andymadmak said:
And do you know who else I would add to that list? The Labour party. The Labour party which for its own political gerrymandering ends brought us mass, uncontrolled immigration on a scale and at a pace never seen before in this country's history, all under the guise of "multiculturalism" etc
But surely by your logic we wuold have gangs from all sets of immigrants, rather than it appears one specific ethnic subgroup/culture?I would suggest that the cultural attitude of seeing all women as being property or below men is at root. And, of course, they pick on the vulnerable because they are evil cowards - but what puzzles me is that a lot of them are married and with kids. A product of loveless, arranged marriages formed in societies where men and women do not mix perhaps?
I don't know, I am not an expert on this and can only guess.
longblackcoat said:
Justayellowbadge said:
longblackcoat said:
andymadmak said:
Some very useful stuff
Thanks for your response Andy - I see your points a lot more clearly now. Much to think about, though to the list of people you're angry with you should probably add the local authorities and the absent parents of the girls in question for ever letting them be in that position.99.99% of the population did not gang rape these girls, regardless of the position they were in.
As ever, it seems to be the case that those who are meant to look out for vulnerable children fall down on the job. They certainly didn't abuse the girls, but by shrugging and doing very little they allowed it to go on for as long as it did.
vonuber said:
andymadmak said:
And do you know who else I would add to that list? The Labour party. The Labour party which for its own political gerrymandering ends brought us mass, uncontrolled immigration on a scale and at a pace never seen before in this country's history, all under the guise of "multiculturalism" etc
But surely by your logic we wuold have gangs from all sets of immigrants, rather than it appears one specific ethnic subgroup/culture?.
e. Labour benefited massively from uncontrolled immigration, and it knew it. It did everything it could to prolong it for as long as possible, even when it was clear that there were serious issues being created by the scale and pace of change, not just with Pakistani Paedo Gangs, but also other gangs involved in other criminal activities. Moreover, by poisoning the immigration debate, by actively stifling any discussion of the problems through the concerted and systematic branding of the "Concerned" as "Racists", this ensured that the problems would be covered up, swept under the carpet and dismissed as scaremongering by any public servant who wanted to keep his/her job.
The tragic fact is that many of those same public servants were charged with the protection of the most vulnerable in our society. LBC would like me to blame the public servant (Police, Social services) and even the parents (at least in part) for the suffering endured by these girls over decades. My point is that if I am going to do that, I should also blame those people who brought the problems to our shores, in a way that meant our coping mechanisms were swamped, and who further created a political climate which made it impossible for the problems to be even acknowledged, let alone rectified. The Labour party and its members.
BliarOut said:
longblackcoat said:
Justayellowbadge said:
longblackcoat said:
andymadmak said:
Some very useful stuff
Thanks for your response Andy - I see your points a lot more clearly now. Much to think about, though to the list of people you're angry with you should probably add the local authorities and the absent parents of the girls in question for ever letting them be in that position.99.99% of the population did not gang rape these girls, regardless of the position they were in.
As ever, it seems to be the case that those who are meant to look out for vulnerable children fall down on the job. They certainly didn't abuse the girls, but by shrugging and doing very little they allowed it to go on for as long as it did.
I can't be any clearer.
BliarOut said:
You seem to be of the opinion that it's somehow the fault of someone other than the perpetrators. Don't make excuses for them, it makes you look like you somehow condone their actions.
There are security people who's job it is to stop others taking guns onto planes.If the security people decide to put their feet up for the afternoon and wave some people through. And a gun is used on a plane.
Would you say the security people did or did not do their job properly?
The may have had no direct connection to the gun and subsequent crime. But they have a responsibility to do their job properly, not just turn up.
andymadmak said:
LBC would like me to blame the public servant (Police, Social services) and even the parents (at least in part) for the suffering endured by these girls over decades. My point is that if I am going to do that, I should also blame those people who brought the problems to our shores, in a way that meant our coping mechanisms were swamped, and who further created a political climate which made it impossible for the problems to be even acknowledged, let alone rectified. The Labour party and its members.
As a Labour Party member and voter, you'd not expect me to agree with you, especially as much of the growth in the communites you've highlighted occurred many decades ago. However, I do agree with you that Labour got it wrong on immigration in the recent past, which has certainly created societal issues. And that hasn't helped in these cases. So yes, Labour, as the government in power at the time, have to accept some element of blame as well.
[Before anyone starts jumping up and down and turning this into a Labour vs Conservative vs UKIP thread, please dont - there are any number of threads covering that ground. Let's keep this thread to the topic at hand, if we can.]
andymadmak said:
Where is that whooooosh parrot when I need it?
Gotcha. Re-read your rants and see what you're saying.Still not sure I can see how mass immigration leads to an overly PC attitude or gerrymandering though. Labour only gets anywhere politically because of Scotland AIUI.
Bill said:
Gotcha. Re-read your rants and see what you're saying.
Still not sure I can see how mass immigration leads to an overly PC attitude or gerrymandering though. Labour only gets anywhere politically because of Scotland AIUI.
'Rants'?Still not sure I can see how mass immigration leads to an overly PC attitude or gerrymandering though. Labour only gets anywhere politically because of Scotland AIUI.
I haven't read any 'Rants' from Andy, just well written and carefully considered views.
Or do you class any view that may set a certain group in a bad light a 'Rant' - thus trying to diminish its validity?
chris watton said:
'Rants'?
I haven't read any 'Rants' from Andy, just well written and carefully considered views.
Or do you class any view that may set a certain group in a bad light a 'Rant' - thus trying to diminish its validity?
"Thanks for the question. I am angry about this issue, as you can probably tell from the tone of my posts."I haven't read any 'Rants' from Andy, just well written and carefully considered views.
Or do you class any view that may set a certain group in a bad light a 'Rant' - thus trying to diminish its validity?
Given that even Andy's pointed out that his posts came across as angry, it's entirely reasonable to say that they sounded a bit ranty, d'you not think?
my apologies now if this has been already discussed, i haven't read the entire thread, but (and i am not condoning anything done to these poor kids) look at the recent case in the US.
The 3 brothers (allegedly
) imprisoned those 3 girls for 10 years, the communities have been stunned to find that the girls were alive and in their midst all that time.
so it may be that most of the community didn't understand what was going on, although i concede the point that its much less likely as so many were involved.
also as to reporting people, it has been discussed earlier. round where i live i have been told of several people involved in drugs and organised crime (even possibly the rettendon murders) but i have no evidence and how seriously would BiB take me if i just wandered in and made a complaint.
You also have the situation that people may have been afraid to make the complaints because of who was involved.
The 3 brothers (allegedly
) imprisoned those 3 girls for 10 years, the communities have been stunned to find that the girls were alive and in their midst all that time.so it may be that most of the community didn't understand what was going on, although i concede the point that its much less likely as so many were involved.
also as to reporting people, it has been discussed earlier. round where i live i have been told of several people involved in drugs and organised crime (even possibly the rettendon murders) but i have no evidence and how seriously would BiB take me if i just wandered in and made a complaint.
You also have the situation that people may have been afraid to make the complaints because of who was involved.
anonymous said:
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sorry hadn't seen that, where i work the internet access is severely restricted because of some of the people here. in fact it never ceases to amaze me i can get on here, but not a land rover forum mind it still doesn't stop my point being that they were imprisoned for 10 years and no-one knew they were there.
Edited by jesta1865 on Wednesday 15th May 11:26
Benny Saltstein said:
And yet nowhere on that page is the word "paedophile" used.I wonder why.
RSoovy4 said:
Benny Saltstein said:
And yet nowhere on that page is the word "paedophile" used.I wonder why.
Benny Saltstein said:
Disgusting Another group, same story, vile scum - Clearly Prison isn't working as a detterent, we really are allowing the government to fail in it's basic duty to protect its citizens.
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