Discussion
Jasandjules said:
Yes, if they are a pest it can be justified. But that does not mean chasing them with a pack of hounds. A clean and humane kill is the only thing that is accepted to a civilised human being.
Like rats or cockroaches, I don't really care about them. How do you feel about rat poisons that cause internal bleeding, etc? Or have you never really been bothered about it?gadgetmac said:
Let me know when fox steaks go on sale.
Fox is, unsurprisingly, pretty rank, according to the late Brian Plummer (the bloke at the blunt end of the Richard Whiteley ferret https://youtube.com/watch?v=H7r8jKyqUEY ).https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Diary_of_a_...
See the entry for Friday 25th January.
(Note: the book is called "Diary of a Hunter", so be warned.)
Brian Plummer whilst writing some good books, was a total liar about almost everything he had done in hunting.
Not wildly regarded in proper dog hunting circles.
I do know someone who made fox stew for his shoot without telling anyone. They ate some, he came clean , they lynched him.
No one complained about the taste.
Not wildly regarded in proper dog hunting circles.
I do know someone who made fox stew for his shoot without telling anyone. They ate some, he came clean , they lynched him.
No one complained about the taste.
Rovinghawk said:
About foxes rather than hunting- I've seen the devastation when one gets into a henhouse. Taking one for food is fair enough but bloodlust will ensure it kills thousands before leaving if that's what's there.
They are vermin & their death is easy to justify.
Indeed, but this is the part of the argument that I don’t understand. Ignoring the humane factor for a moment, are you saying that hunting is in any way an efficient way of killing foxes? I can’t imagine it is, and a lot of seemingly pro-hunting people seem to agree with that.They are vermin & their death is easy to justify.
I’ve no issue with them being shot, in the same way I see the need for deer culling etc. Of course, I’d prefer it not to be necessary, but recognise that it is.
I definitely find this an interesting discussion though, and it is especially interesting to see how entrenched the opposing views seem to be.
Edited by kingston12 on Friday 11th January 22:57
Rovinghawk said:
Like rats or cockroaches, I don't really care about them. How do you feel about rat poisons that cause internal bleeding, etc? Or have you never really been bothered about it?
That’s about the efficiency of the kill though. I think a lot of people would want to kill vermin in the most efficient way possible. Some would forgoe some efficiency for a more humane method, others would just want them killed as quickly as possible.What less people will accept is foxes being chased and killed in what they perceive to be an inefficent manner. Some people would take more offence to the suffering of the animal, some would find the fact that other people appearing to enjoy the kill more disturbing.
Either way, mass education/PR would be required to gain widespread support for hunting, and I just can’t see the basis for that existing, given the arguments so far.
kingston12 said:
Indeed, but this is the part of the argument that I don’t understand. Ignoring the humane factor for a moment, are you saying that hunting is in any way an efficient way of killing foxes? I can’t imagine it is, and a lot of seemingly pro-hunting people seem to agree with that.
I'm not suggesting it's efficient- I'm suggesting that the fox's feelings aren't a big deal to me and the humane argument isn't important in this case.Rovinghawk said:
About foxes rather than hunting- I've seen the devastation when one gets into a henhouse. Taking one for food is fair enough but bloodlust will ensure it kills thousands before leaving if that's what's there.
They are vermin & their death is easy to justify.
Well the first thing is to make your chicken run and henhouse secure and secondly to close the henhouse up at night. It’s not difficult.They are vermin & their death is easy to justify.
I note the emotive language used to convey how horrible the fox is. It’s not bloodlust that will induce a fox to kill many birds in one go. It’s simply instinct and being opportunistic in ensuring a food supply. Left to their own devices the fox will return and remove the other carcases for later.
colonel c said:
Well the first thing is to make your chicken run and henhouse secure and secondly to close the henhouse up at night. It’s not difficult.
Presumably if I get burgled it's my fault for having unsufficient locks rather than the burglar's for breaking in?colonel c said:
I note the emotive language used to convey how horrible the fox is. It’s not bloodlust that will induce a fox to kill many birds in one go.
They keep killing until there's nothing left to kill.colonel c said:
It’s simply instinct and being opportunistic in ensuring a food supply. Left to their own devices the fox will return and remove the other carcases for later.
I could accept that argument for a few chickens- when it's many thousands then the argument weakens. At that point it's a killing frenzy.Rovinghawk said:
Like rats or cockroaches, I don't really care about them. How do you feel about rat poisons that cause internal bleeding, etc? Or have you never really been bothered about it?
I would ban that too if I were in charge. It is not acceptable to kill in this way. Humane traps only. Is it so hard to appreciate that some people care about animals?Rovinghawk said:
colonel c said:
Well the first thing is to make your chicken run and henhouse secure and secondly to close the henhouse up at night. It’s not difficult.
Presumably if I get burgled it's my fault for having unsufficient locks rather than the burglar's for breaking in?Are you seriously saying you can't stop a fox getting into a henhouse? If so, you really shouldn't be keeping hens.
Your analogy is of course flawed. But you know that already don't you?
wiggy001] said:
Are you seriously saying you can't stop a fox getting into a henhouse?
Actually foxes are pretty hard to stop. Like rats they gnaw and tear at wire over time.wiggy001] said:
If so, you really shouldn't be keeping hens.
Your analogy is of course flawed. But you know that already don't you?
How is it flawed?Your analogy is of course flawed. But you know that already don't you?
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