Rishi Sunak - Prime Minister
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markh1973 said:
768 said:
p1stonhead said:
No it doesn’t. Not optional rich person education.
There’s a free one down the road for everyone.
But if they go to the free one we have to pay for it, without any extra money.There’s a free one down the road for everyone.
Presumably you're in favour of universities paying VAT too, they can attend the university of life for free.
The criteria for being a charity are clear - and universal.
Are they now saying they'll create a new category of charity purely for schools, and that this will include VAT charging as a criteria?
bobbo89 said:
768 said:
But if they go to the free one we have to pay for it, without any extra money.
Presumably you're in favour of universities paying VAT too, they can attend the university of life for free.
Has anyone ever done the maths on this? Presumably you're in favour of universities paying VAT too, they can attend the university of life for free.
If every private schooled kid were to attend a public school instead would we...
A) Have the capacity
B) Have the money to fund it from what we'd have taxed through VAT from private schooling
I'm minded to think that private schools are a net gain for the government.
bobbo89 said:
Has anyone ever done the maths on this?
If every private schooled kid were to attend a public school instead would we...
A) Have the capacity
B) Have the money to fund it from what we'd have taxed through VAT from private schooling
I'm minded to think that private schools are a net gain for the government.
Why would every privately educated kid go to state school?If every private schooled kid were to attend a public school instead would we...
A) Have the capacity
B) Have the money to fund it from what we'd have taxed through VAT from private schooling
I'm minded to think that private schools are a net gain for the government.
Labour are not proposing to close them down.
In reality a large part of the 7% of kids that are privately educated will remain in private schools as parents can still afford it and others will make the necessary changes to keep their kids in school and a few will end up in public schools (Oh, the horror!)
Despite many here making a big deal and that’s it’s somehow a major and central plank of Labour policy (despite no manifesto being released), it is a minor change that most don’t really care about especially when the NHS is on its knees, public schools are falling down, the cost of living crisis hasn’t gone away but no, it’s the plight of privately educated kids where this election will be fought on
valiant said:
Why would every privately educated kid go to state school?
Labour are not proposing to close them down.
In reality a large part of the 7% of kids that are privately educated will remain in private schools as parents can still afford it and others will make the necessary changes to keep their kids in school and a few will end up in public schools (Oh, the horror!)
Despite many here making a big deal and that’s it’s somehow a major and central plank of Labour policy (despite no manifesto being released), it is a minor change that most don’t really care about especially when the NHS is on its knees, public schools are falling down, the cost of living crisis hasn’t gone away but no, it’s the plight of privately educated kids where this election will be fought on
It will for me, my dead mums paying their fees, we haven't any more to chuck in, they'll either have to go to state schools or their private one will have to cap fees, it's that simple.Labour are not proposing to close them down.
In reality a large part of the 7% of kids that are privately educated will remain in private schools as parents can still afford it and others will make the necessary changes to keep their kids in school and a few will end up in public schools (Oh, the horror!)
Despite many here making a big deal and that’s it’s somehow a major and central plank of Labour policy (despite no manifesto being released), it is a minor change that most don’t really care about especially when the NHS is on its knees, public schools are falling down, the cost of living crisis hasn’t gone away but no, it’s the plight of privately educated kids where this election will be fought on
bhstewie said:
Caddyshack said:
We are in the last years of private education and I think we have taken a burden off the state schools so why can’t we expect a vat benefit as we haven’t cost the state anything for our kids education?
Can I get some of the tax back that I've paid that's gone to the NHS to treat smokers and people with other conditions due to what are essentially lifestyle choices?Maybe I can get some tax back because I don't have kids so why should I pay to educate other peoples?
Or can I have a bit of Council Tax back that pays for the Leisure Centre and other stuff I don't use?
Exactly.
I really couldn't care if Labour do or don't go through with this policy as I think it's a bit of red meat for their traditional voter base and I wish you nothing but the best for your kids but the whole "why can’t we expect a vat benefit as we haven’t cost the state anything for our kids education?" just doesn't wash I'm afraid.
dundarach said:
valiant said:
Why would every privately educated kid go to state school?
Labour are not proposing to close them down.
In reality a large part of the 7% of kids that are privately educated will remain in private schools as parents can still afford it and others will make the necessary changes to keep their kids in school and a few will end up in public schools (Oh, the horror!)
Despite many here making a big deal and that’s it’s somehow a major and central plank of Labour policy (despite no manifesto being released), it is a minor change that most don’t really care about especially when the NHS is on its knees, public schools are falling down, the cost of living crisis hasn’t gone away but no, it’s the plight of privately educated kids where this election will be fought on
It will for me, my dead mums paying their fees, we haven't any more to chuck in, they'll either have to go to state schools or their private one will have to cap fees, it's that simple.Labour are not proposing to close them down.
In reality a large part of the 7% of kids that are privately educated will remain in private schools as parents can still afford it and others will make the necessary changes to keep their kids in school and a few will end up in public schools (Oh, the horror!)
Despite many here making a big deal and that’s it’s somehow a major and central plank of Labour policy (despite no manifesto being released), it is a minor change that most don’t really care about especially when the NHS is on its knees, public schools are falling down, the cost of living crisis hasn’t gone away but no, it’s the plight of privately educated kids where this election will be fought on
My daughters school will most likely close if VAT comes in on the fees and the local schools are over subscribed so it will probably drive up house prices in the catchment areas.
Prolex-UK said:
President Merkin said:
I genuinely believe the number of fks the general public couldn't give about vat on private schools is going to come as a massive shock to a dozen or so broken records on here.
+1As with closing down the Assisted Places scheme, all it does is reduce social mobility - and in this case, with fairly flimsy economic basis to do so.
Caddyshack said:
dundarach said:
valiant said:
Why would every privately educated kid go to state school?
Labour are not proposing to close them down.
In reality a large part of the 7% of kids that are privately educated will remain in private schools as parents can still afford it and others will make the necessary changes to keep their kids in school and a few will end up in public schools (Oh, the horror!)
Despite many here making a big deal and that’s it’s somehow a major and central plank of Labour policy (despite no manifesto being released), it is a minor change that most don’t really care about especially when the NHS is on its knees, public schools are falling down, the cost of living crisis hasn’t gone away but no, it’s the plight of privately educated kids where this election will be fought on
It will for me, my dead mums paying their fees, we haven't any more to chuck in, they'll either have to go to state schools or their private one will have to cap fees, it's that simple.Labour are not proposing to close them down.
In reality a large part of the 7% of kids that are privately educated will remain in private schools as parents can still afford it and others will make the necessary changes to keep their kids in school and a few will end up in public schools (Oh, the horror!)
Despite many here making a big deal and that’s it’s somehow a major and central plank of Labour policy (despite no manifesto being released), it is a minor change that most don’t really care about especially when the NHS is on its knees, public schools are falling down, the cost of living crisis hasn’t gone away but no, it’s the plight of privately educated kids where this election will be fought on
My daughters school will most likely close if VAT comes in on the fees and the local schools are over subscribed so it will probably drive up house prices in the catchment areas.
We’ve heard so much nonsense about parents ‘sacrificing’ to get their little darlings into private schools, but finding spare money for the fees are still not even the faintest possibility for most people in the country.
They average the ENTIRE take home salary of a £30,000 a year job. For one kid.
bhstewie said:
Feels a bit semantic IMHO.
Either way I pay towards loads of services I don't use because they don't apply to me or don't impact me and I don't claim I'm hard done by because I can't get a rebate or tax break on the bits that don't apply to me.
Nothing to do with semantics, it is massively different.Either way I pay towards loads of services I don't use because they don't apply to me or don't impact me and I don't claim I'm hard done by because I can't get a rebate or tax break on the bits that don't apply to me.
I don’t think you are understanding VAT, it is a tax on top of what you spend, there is zero tax break for people spending money on school fees now. There is zero rebate and no tax break.
I do actually feel that if those that paid for private school education got an income tax break it would encourage loads more people to do it and would take pressure off state schools.
People are not getting a VAT break because they are paying for state schools anyway, it is just that education didn’t attract VAT.
We don’t get a tax break on kids clothes, they just don’t attract VAT.
p1stonhead said:
They are.
We’ve heard so much nonsense about parents ‘sacrificing’ to get their little darlings into private schools, but finding spare money for the fees are still not even the faintest possibility for most people in the country.
They average the ENTIRE take home salary of a £30,000 a year job. For one kid.
Okay, I'm sure you know what you're talking about!We’ve heard so much nonsense about parents ‘sacrificing’ to get their little darlings into private schools, but finding spare money for the fees are still not even the faintest possibility for most people in the country.
They average the ENTIRE take home salary of a £30,000 a year job. For one kid.
Caddyshack said:
Nothing to do with semantics, it is massively different.
I don’t think you are understanding VAT, it is a tax on top of what you spend, there is zero tax break for people spending money on school fees now. There is zero rebate and no tax break.
I do actually feel that if those that paid for private school education got an income tax break it would encourage loads more people to do it and would take pressure off state schools.
People are not getting a VAT break because they are paying for state schools anyway, it is just that education didn’t attract VAT.
We don’t get a tax break on kids clothes, they just don’t attract VAT.
Whatever it's called what you said was "why can’t we expect a vat benefit as we haven’t cost the state anything for our kids education?".I don’t think you are understanding VAT, it is a tax on top of what you spend, there is zero tax break for people spending money on school fees now. There is zero rebate and no tax break.
I do actually feel that if those that paid for private school education got an income tax break it would encourage loads more people to do it and would take pressure off state schools.
People are not getting a VAT break because they are paying for state schools anyway, it is just that education didn’t attract VAT.
We don’t get a tax break on kids clothes, they just don’t attract VAT.
I could apply the same logic to all sorts of things I'm forced to pay for that I don't consume where I don't get any benefit because I don't consume them and I can't opt out of paying for the bits I don't consume.
I can't say I feel strongly about it but I just don't see how the fact you pay tax that covers schooling whilst sending your kids to private school is any different to any of those things.
You might think that's an overly simplistic view and it might be but I doubt I'm alone.
dundarach said:
valiant said:
Why would every privately educated kid go to state school?
Labour are not proposing to close them down.
In reality a large part of the 7% of kids that are privately educated will remain in private schools as parents can still afford it and others will make the necessary changes to keep their kids in school and a few will end up in public schools (Oh, the horror!)
Despite many here making a big deal and that’s it’s somehow a major and central plank of Labour policy (despite no manifesto being released), it is a minor change that most don’t really care about especially when the NHS is on its knees, public schools are falling down, the cost of living crisis hasn’t gone away but no, it’s the plight of privately educated kids where this election will be fought on
It will for me, my dead mums paying their fees, we haven't any more to chuck in, they'll either have to go to state schools or their private one will have to cap fees, it's that simple.Labour are not proposing to close them down.
In reality a large part of the 7% of kids that are privately educated will remain in private schools as parents can still afford it and others will make the necessary changes to keep their kids in school and a few will end up in public schools (Oh, the horror!)
Despite many here making a big deal and that’s it’s somehow a major and central plank of Labour policy (despite no manifesto being released), it is a minor change that most don’t really care about especially when the NHS is on its knees, public schools are falling down, the cost of living crisis hasn’t gone away but no, it’s the plight of privately educated kids where this election will be fought on
bhstewie said:
Caddyshack said:
Nothing to do with semantics, it is massively different.
I don’t think you are understanding VAT, it is a tax on top of what you spend, there is zero tax break for people spending money on school fees now. There is zero rebate and no tax break.
I do actually feel that if those that paid for private school education got an income tax break it would encourage loads more people to do it and would take pressure off state schools.
People are not getting a VAT break because they are paying for state schools anyway, it is just that education didn’t attract VAT.
We don’t get a tax break on kids clothes, they just don’t attract VAT.
Whatever it's called what you said was "why can’t we expect a vat benefit as we haven’t cost the state anything for our kids education?".I don’t think you are understanding VAT, it is a tax on top of what you spend, there is zero tax break for people spending money on school fees now. There is zero rebate and no tax break.
I do actually feel that if those that paid for private school education got an income tax break it would encourage loads more people to do it and would take pressure off state schools.
People are not getting a VAT break because they are paying for state schools anyway, it is just that education didn’t attract VAT.
We don’t get a tax break on kids clothes, they just don’t attract VAT.
I could apply the same logic to all sorts of things I'm forced to pay for that I don't consume where I don't get any benefit because I don't consume them and I can't opt out of paying for the bits I don't consume.
I can't say I feel strongly about it but I just don't see how the fact you pay tax that covers schooling whilst sending your kids to private school is any different to any of those things.
You might think that's an overly simplistic view and it might be but I doubt I'm alone.
Try and think of something that you do consume but then you also pay for via your taxes and you may then get the concept.
You pay for the NHS but you opt to not use their service and pay for a private operation, maybe that operation shouldn’t be attracting VAT to encourage you to take the pressure off the NHS…?
It’s NOT about paying for something that you do not consume ever. It’s about paying AND then paying vat when you consume the alternative which reduces pressure on the bit you are paying for to the benefit of others.
Edited by Caddyshack on Wednesday 22 May 20:42
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