And...It's Spain.. will it kick off ?

[TooMany2cvs]

liner33 said:

B210bandit said:

Bulls**t. The loss of service personnel deserves examination of the circumstances under which the government or the military put them into combat. Respect for the war itself? Never.

So the level of respect for the dead is entirely dependant on how polictally acceptable the conflict is.

Are you suggesting that respect for the dead and respect for the war are somehow the same thing?

If I think some ridiculous militaristic willy-wave was a pointless waste of time, energy, blood and money - is that the same as saying that I don't give a toss for those who were killed in it?

Or, to turn it around ever so slightly, a stload of people were killed in Vietnam (with zero choice as to whether they were there or not), so we must think that that conflict was utterly justified? Or is that somehow different, because the military of this particular small island wasn't involved?

Shouldn't the civilians killed or left homeless refugees in any conflict have at least the same level of respect as those who chose to be there by walking into a recruiting office and signing on the line?

But we're getting a very long way from the point I was originally making two pages ago, which is that I can't see any great difference between the UK army and a European one - not least because the UK army hasn't done anything significant without friends for decades, and almost certainly couldn't do anything at all tomorrow without friends. Strangely, nobody seems to have argued that, preferring to take offence at the wording of the illustration I used.

[gregs656]

Back on track . . .

Looks like the general strike today was fairly well but not very well supported, not as well as the strike last month at least.

Some good shots (again) of a rammed Placa San Jaume and some rail and road disruption.

[liner33]

gregs656 said:

Back on track . . .

Looks like the general strike today was fairly well but not very well supported, not as well as the strike last month at least.

Some good shots (again) of a rammed Placa San Jaume and some rail and road disruption.

Was fairly minor in reality according to the wife who was there on business yesterday

[gregs656]

liner33 said:

Was fairly minor in reality according to the wife who was there on business yesterday

In Barca?

They did affect a decent amount of the road network across Catalunya, and the main Girona station closed yesterday morning and the Sants station in Barca yesterday evening - protesters climbed down on to the tracks.

Also affected the borders with France and Andorra.

More targeted than October, but fewer people is my take.

[hyphen]

Three-quarters of a million people protested today

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41956909

[johnxjsc1985]

hyphen said:

Three-quarters of a million people protested today

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41956909

just noticed this and surprisingly not much on the news about it.
Its clear that many people in Barcelona and throughout Catalonia are not going to let this go. I understand the PM is due shortly that should be interesting to see how it is either reported or "staged".

[Stickyfinger]

johnxjsc1985 said:

hyphen said:

Three-quarters of a million people protested today

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41956909

just noticed this and surprisingly not much on the news about it.
Its clear that many people in Barcelona and throughout Catalonia are not going to let this go. I understand the PM is due shortly that should be interesting to see how it is either reported or "staged".

The establishment/left press etc will down play it as much as possible by concentrating on the speculation about T May/Cabinet/Brexit and knee touching. They will protect Eu/Spain from looking like a Soviet state suppressing the millions of free voters, this will be the order of the day/group think..

[gadgetmac]

Stickyfinger said:

johnxjsc1985 said:

hyphen said:

Three-quarters of a million people protested today

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41956909

just noticed this and surprisingly not much on the news about it.
Its clear that many people in Barcelona and throughout Catalonia are not going to let this go. I understand the PM is due shortly that should be interesting to see how it is either reported or "staged".

The establishment/left press etc will down play it as much as possible by concentrating on the speculation about T May/Cabinet/Brexit and knee touching. They will protect Eu/Spain from looking like a Soviet state suppressing the millions of free voters, this will be the order of the day/group think..

Or they’ll fully report it on BBC News 24 with live interviews and many shots of the huge crowds thus making some posters on here look like fools.

[johnxjsc1985]

gadgetmac said:

Or they’ll fully report it on BBC News 24 with live interviews and many shots of the huge crowds thus making some posters on here look like fools.

but the protest with 750,000 people demonstrating was yesterday ....fool.

[gadgetmac]

johnxjsc1985 said:

but the protest with 750,000 people demonstrating was yesterday ....fool.

Which is what I was addressing...fool

johnxjsc1985 said:

hyphen said:

Three-quarters of a million people protested today

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41956909

just noticed this and surprisingly not much on the news about it.

Although I can see how the confusion has arisen.

However if you’re suggesting that the Establishment in the UK (ie senior civil servants, senior barristers and judges, aristocrats, Oxbridge academics, senior clergy in the established Church of England, the most important financiers and industrialists, governors of the BBC, and the members of and top aides to the royal family) are predominantly Left leaning then...

[johnxjsc1985]

gadgetmac said:

Although I can see how the confusion has arisen.

However if you’re suggesting that the Establishment in the UK (ie senior civil servants, senior barristers and judges, aristocrats, Oxbridge academics, senior clergy in the established Church of England, the most important financiers and industrialists, governors of the BBC, and the members of and top aides to the royal family) are predominantly Left leaning then...

you said they will report live on NEWS 24 unless they have a time machine that's going to be difficult numbskull.
Don't come on trying to be smart having not even bothered to read the posts correctly.

[Stickyfinger]

gadgetmac said:

Or they’ll fully report it on BBC News 24 with live interviews and many shots of the huge crowds thus making some posters on here look like fools.

A couple of snips.....LOL

One of the Eu's leading nations breaking apart with added state violence/imprisoned elected leaders and 1000's of protesters.....a couple of sub notes on the web site and a little clip

Not a down play at all

[hyphen]

Spain have dropped the European Arrest Warrants, however Spanish warrants are still active.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/05/spain-d...

[tangerine_sedge]

Stickyfinger said:

gadgetmac said:

Or they’ll fully report it on BBC News 24 with live interviews and many shots of the huge crowds thus making some posters on here look like fools.

A couple of snips.....LOL

One of the Eu's leading nations breaking apart with added state violence/imprisoned elected leaders and 1000's of protesters.....a couple of sub notes on the web site and a little clip

Not a down play at all

..and the right leaning press, sky etc, what have they been reporting?

[BlackLabel]

“Catalan independence: 45,000 protesters march in Brussels to support exiled president Carles Puigdemont”

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk...

[Digga]

BlackLabel said:

“Catalan independence: 45,000 protesters march in Brussels to support exiled president Carles Puigdemont”

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk...

45k is a bit protest at home. To go to a foreign country to protest in those sort of numbers is IMHO significant and indicative of a very deep-rooted movement.

Everyone will be panicking about this. God knows what happens to the EU and Euro is Spain fragments. I honestly can't begin to speculate on what it means for banking or the Spanish Target 2 obligations to Germany.

[TooMany2cvs]

Digga said:

BlackLabel said:

“Catalan independence: 45,000 protesters march in Brussels to support exiled president Carles Puigdemont”

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk...

45k is a bit protest at home. To go to a foreign country to protest in those sort of numbers is IMHO significant and indicative of a very deep-rooted movement.

I very much doubt more than a handful of those were Catalan residents. Most would almost certainly be either Belgian-resident Catalans, or simply Belgians who fancy a bit of shouting, perhaps in support of Flemish (or Walloon) nationalism, perhaps just because they like protesting.

45k is not a very big protest.

[Digga]

TooMany2cvs said:

Digga said:

BlackLabel said:

“Catalan independence: 45,000 protesters march in Brussels to support exiled president Carles Puigdemont”

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk...

45k is a bit protest at home. To go to a foreign country to protest in those sort of numbers is IMHO significant and indicative of a very deep-rooted movement.

I very much doubt more than a handful of those were Catalan residents. Most would almost certainly be either Belgian-resident Catalans, or simply Belgians who fancy a bit of shouting, perhaps in support of Flemish (or Walloon) nationalism, perhaps just because they like protesting.

45k is not a very big protest.

"Nothing to see here"

[wc98]

TooMany2cvs said:

I very much doubt more than a handful of those were Catalan residents. Most would almost certainly be either Belgian-resident Catalans, or simply Belgians who fancy a bit of shouting, perhaps in support of Flemish (or Walloon) nationalism, perhaps just because they like protesting.

45k is not a very big protest.

"A large proportion of the protesters arrived by chartered coach, taking the 12-hour drive through France from Catalonia." hmmm....

[TooMany2cvs]

wc98 said:

"A large proportion of the protesters arrived by chartered coach, taking the 12-hour drive through France from Catalonia." hmmm....

How many coaches? Let's assume they're 85-seat, which is about the largest you can really get.

Even half of the 45,000 people would be 265 coaches.