2021 - Retailer woe & retail sector chat

[cuprabob]

anonymous said:

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Don't be too hasty

[vaud]

liner33 said:

The latter , I drink one or two cups of coffee a day rest is the wife maybe 12-15 cups a day

That's quite a lot of tea and caffeine. She might want to balance it off with some gin and tonic.

[Drawweight]

I had a reservation at a local hotel for an evening meal.

They’ve phoned twice to put the date back and yesterday they phoned again and basically said we don’t know when we’re opening but we’ll let you know.

They can’t get a chef, they can’t get waiting staff or kitchen staff.

All their old employees have either got other jobs or have gone back to Europe.

They’re really struggling and I don’t suppose they’re the only ones.

[Vasco]

Drawweight said:

I had a reservation at a local hotel for an evening meal.

They’ve phoned twice to put the date back and yesterday they phoned again and basically said we don’t know when we’re opening but we’ll let you know.

They can’t get a chef, they can’t get waiting staff or kitchen staff.

All their old employees have either got other jobs or have gone back to Europe.

They’re really struggling and I don’t suppose they’re the only ones.

An increase in the pay rate tends to resolve such issues.......

[vaud]

Vasco said:

An increase in the pay rate tends to resolve such issues.......

Not necessarily. Some people have decided not to go back to hospitality due to the uncertainty.

Why earn minimum wage when your job can be suspended overnight for months - or by example go and work as a supermarket delivery driver and have better hours and more certainty?

[loafer123]

vaud said:

Vasco said:

An increase in the pay rate tends to resolve such issues.......

Not necessarily. Some people have decided not to go back to hospitality due to the uncertainty.

Why earn minimum wage when your job can be suspended overnight for months - or by example go and work as a supermarket delivery driver and have better hours and more certainty?

He’s right, though.

There is a marginal rate of income at which people will see hospitality as a more attractive career than the alternatives.

[Vasco]

loafer123 said:

vaud said:

Vasco said:

An increase in the pay rate tends to resolve such issues.......

Not necessarily. Some people have decided not to go back to hospitality due to the uncertainty.

Why earn minimum wage when your job can be suspended overnight for months - or by example go and work as a supermarket delivery driver and have better hours and more certainty?

He’s right, though.

There is a marginal rate of income at which people will see hospitality as a more attractive career than the alternatives.

Quite - and it's already a known low paid occupation. Many, however, enjoy the work and would like to stay if at all possible. It shouldn't be too difficult to tempt some back, or encourage new entrants to look at it afresh.

[soxboy]

loafer123 said:

He’s right, though.

There is a marginal rate of income at which people will see hospitality as a more attractive career than the alternatives.

There was a feature on this topic on our local BBC news last night (Look North). Local country house hotel owner saying he’s struggling to bring staff back as they’ve all gone and got delivery driver jobs, but he doesn’t blame them for doing so as the hours are a lot more sociable and they’re not cooped up in a kitchen.

[Gecko1978]

soxboy said:

loafer123 said:

He’s right, though.

There is a marginal rate of income at which people will see hospitality as a more attractive career than the alternatives.

There was a feature on this topic on our local BBC news last night (Look North). Local country house hotel owner saying he’s struggling to bring staff back as they’ve all gone and got delivery driver jobs, but he doesn’t blame them for doing so as the hours are a lot more sociable and they’re not cooped up in a kitchen.

Jobs change demand changes way of the world. I doubt we will see delivery or on line for food etc go back to 2019 levels of demand so something has to give, i suspect the market for cheap restaurants (nando's, pizzq places etc), will shirnk but thoes firms will go to a more dark kitchen model, and workers will move from waiting jobs to delivery jobs.

[anonymous-user]

Vasco said:

loafer123 said:

vaud said:

Vasco said:

An increase in the pay rate tends to resolve such issues.......

Not necessarily. Some people have decided not to go back to hospitality due to the uncertainty.

Why earn minimum wage when your job can be suspended overnight for months - or by example go and work as a supermarket delivery driver and have better hours and more certainty?

He’s right, though.

There is a marginal rate of income at which people will see hospitality as a more attractive career than the alternatives.

Quite - and it's already a known low paid occupation. Many, however, enjoy the work and would like to stay if at all possible. It shouldn't be too difficult to tempt some back, or encourage new entrants to look at it afresh.

All part of the Brexit Bonus - making eating out more expensive with both staff and product costs going up.

[Carl_Manchester]

cuprabob said:

anonymous said:

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Don't be too hasty

LOL

[JuniorD]

Challo said:

Our next door neighbour gets her milk delivered, never understood why she doesn’t get it from the supermarket.

[Challo]

TCS1 said:

vaud said:

Challo said:

Our next door neighbour gets her milk delivered, never understood why she doesn’t get it from the supermarket.

Tradition? Likes to support a local business? Likes to know the source of her milk?

Subjective I know but ours tastes noticeably better which if you go through a lot like we do it is worth the additional cost.

To be honest I hadn't realised Milkman where still a thing. Might need to do some research, saves me having to go to the supermarket / garage to get milk and I end up spending money on crap I dont need.

[Challo]

JuniorD said:

Challo said:

Our next door neighbour gets her milk delivered, never understood why she doesn’t get it from the supermarket.

We never see her much, perhaps she spending her time doing this??

[eldar]

Goodbye, Debenhams on the high street.

End of an era for Debenhams as final shops set to close https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56993816

[Vickers_VC10]

eldar said:

Goodbye, Debenhams on the high street.

End of an era for Debenhams as final shops set to close https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56993816

No Biggie.

[egor110]

Vickers_VC10 said:

eldar said:

Goodbye, Debenhams on the high street.

End of an era for Debenhams as final shops set to close https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56993816

No Biggie.

Tell the ex employees its no biggie .

[Jazoli]

Drawweight said:

I had a reservation at a local hotel for an evening meal.

They’ve phoned twice to put the date back and yesterday they phoned again and basically said we don’t know when we’re opening but we’ll let you know.

They can’t get a chef, they can’t get waiting staff or kitchen staff.

All their old employees have either got other jobs or have gone back to Europe.

They’re really struggling and I don’t suppose they’re the only ones.

I work for a medium sized hotel (70 ish rooms) and we cannot get staff at all, a lot of the live-in staff who have been furloughed are leaving now, several key managers/supervisors have left to take jobs in other sectors and we are at 95% occupancy from the day we re-open, we have 70 non-exclusive weddings between 18th May and 30th October, its going to be a complete clusterfk, I'm glad I'm not on the F&B or customer facing side of the business but I really can't see how we are going to be able to operate with any level of service, I suspect other staff will leave as the workload is going to be huge, its going to be a challenging year.

[KTF]

Jazoli said:

I work for a medium sized hotel (70 ish rooms) and we cannot get staff at all, a lot of the live-in staff who have been furloughed are leaving now, several key managers/supervisors have left to take jobs in other sectors and we are at 95% occupancy from the day we re-open, we have 70 non-exclusive weddings between 18th May and 30th October, its going to be a complete clusterfk, I'm glad I'm not on the F&B or customer facing side of the business but I really can't see how we are going to be able to operate with any level of service, I suspect other staff will leave as the workload is going to be huge, its going to be a challenging year.

I know a few people who work in pubs and are saying similar things about how hard it is to get staff at the moment.

If you believe the Brexiteers spiel that these 'foreigners' were coming over here and stealing 'our' jobs, then there should be no shortage of British unemployed people queuing up to replace them.

How strange that there isn't given all the articles about how hard it is for the under 25s to find work at the moment... Its almost like they didn't want to do it in the first place.

[anonymous-user]

KTF said:

I know a few people who work in pubs and are saying similar things about how hard it is to get staff at the moment.

If you believe the Brexiteers spiel that these 'foreigners' were coming over here and stealing 'our' jobs, then there should be no shortage of British unemployed people queuing up to replace them.

How strange that there isn't given all the articles about how hard it is for the under 25s to find work at the moment... Its almost like they didn't want to do it in the first place.

Interesting article the other day about an ex CTO type who got furloughed and then redundant as the company failed in Covid so is now doing several jobs to make ends meet while he looks

Took on a shift via an agency at a food packaging plant with 6 other brits, by the end of the shift he was the only one remaining, the others had sacked it off as too boring, too hard, hair net was uncomfortable