RMT union vote for a national rail strike

[williamp]

Legacywr said:

Is there a published list of the RMT's grievances in full?

Still not sure. I did go on their website but got distracted by the shop.

You can buy a "solidarity with cuba" t shirt. And a "red star" tshirt. Because being associated with soviet russia is a great look in 2022...

[KarlMac]

anonymous said:

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I wonder how much of this is linked to the desire to subsidise the British Steel Ral Mill at Shorpe? As far as I'm aware it rarely goes out to open tender, it comes straight out of Scunny.

[legzr1]

2xChevrons said:

Stuff…

Excellent post Sir

Edited by legzr1 on Thursday 23 June 11:53

[rigga]

Legacywr said:

Is there a published list of the RMT's grievances in full?

Here's screen shots of the pay offer submitted to the RMT

[legzr1]

pavarotti1980 said:

Coming from the angle of knowing bot all about railways.

At least you’re honest about it.

williamp said:

Still not sure. I did go on their website but got distracted by the shop.

You can buy a "solidarity with cuba" t shirt. And a "red star" tshirt. Because being associated with soviet russia is a great look in 2022...

It’s a shame you’re so easily distracted.
Perhaps further reading might have helped explain why your post mentioning drivers wages in an RMT strike was so stupid.
Or maybe not.

Just out of interest, how much was delivery for the T shirts?

[legzr1]

Ouroboros said:

They were involved due to the fact the massive debts. 2000 they were 10 billion. They took over in 2020 because it was basically going bankrupt.

Funny really how people want more. Rail industry is morribund.

You’ve mentioned Network Rail a few times.
You seem to be confusing NR with TOCs and the franchise and subsidy system.

Government took charge of RailTrack 20 years ago because the private sector made an absolute arse of it. Total and complete failure.
Lost money and lost lives.
Some made £Millions…


Do you want to pinpoint exactly which you’re talking about?

[crankedup5]

When the rail workers finally receive their acceptable pay offer we can expect the drivers to call for an increase in pay. Pay differentials.?

[Legacywr]

rigga said:

Legacywr said:

Is there a published list of the RMT's grievances in full?

Here's screen shots of the pay offer submitted to the RMT

That's the offer, which in itself doesn't seem unreasonable? What are the RMT objections to this? Or are they not saying?

[S17Thumper]

Quite liking how footfall in some commuter towns is up as a lot are wfh

[legzr1]

crankedup5 said:

When the rail workers finally receive their acceptable pay offer we can expect the drivers to call for an increase in pay. Pay differentials.?

Already happened in Scotland.
In relatively short time too.

But, the union didn’t have to deal with the shower of st further south.

[JagLover]

legzr1 said:

crankedup5 said:

When the rail workers finally receive their acceptable pay offer we can expect the drivers to call for an increase in pay. Pay differentials.?

Already happened in Scotland.
In relatively short time too.

But, the union didn’t have to deal with the shower of st further south.

Scotland is a bit of a different situation as they receive more funding per head than England. Pre-Covid the Scottish rail system was already receiving three times the level of public subsidy per passenger than England.

If the SNP have chosen to use some of the grant money they receive to fund a higher pay settlement that may well be affordable for them, or perhaps they will take money from elsewhere.

[legzr1]

JagLover said:

Scotland is a bit of a different situation as they receive more funding per head than England. Pre-Covid the Scottish rail system was already receiving three times the level of public subsidy per passenger than England.

If the SNP have chosen to use some of the grant money they receive to fund a higher pay settlement that may well be affordable for them, or perhaps they will take money from elsewhere.

Well, that’s all open to debate but my earlier post still stands.

[Munter]

legzr1 said:

It’s a shame you’re so easily distracted.
Perhaps further reading might have helped explain why your post mentioning drivers wages in an RMT strike was so stupid.
Or maybe not.

Just out of interest, how much was delivery for the T shirts?

Perhaps the T-Shirts are an example of the ulterior motives of the unions and that strike action has no basis in improving the members lives, but is instead a political tool being backed by...shall we say...undesirable nation states who feel they'll benefit from political unrest.

Just like "ohh someone ate some cake with people they were preciously in an hours long meeting with". Or "who's paying money to x political party".

Either this stuff on the fringes of the main activity matters. Or it doesn't. The left need to choose a line not pedal both, and come out smelling of their own faeces as usual.

Anyway, I just caught up with some of the basics after ignoring this bull for a few days. 7% rise. Pahahahahahahaha fk off. If anybody needs a 7% rise it's frontline healthcare. This lot can take the 3% and be happy with it. Dearie me.

[egor110]

Munter said:

legzr1 said:

It’s a shame you’re so easily distracted.
Perhaps further reading might have helped explain why your post mentioning drivers wages in an RMT strike was so stupid.
Or maybe not.

Just out of interest, how much was delivery for the T shirts?

Perhaps the T-Shirts are an example of the ulterior motives of the unions and that strike action has no basis in improving the members lives, but is instead a political tool being backed by...shall we say...undesirable nation states who feel they'll benefit from political unrest.

Just like "ohh someone ate some cake with people they were preciously in an hours long meeting with". Or "who's paying money to x political party".

Either this stuff on the fringes of the main activity matters. Or it doesn't. The left need to choose a line not pedal both, and come out smelling of their own faeces as usual.

Anyway, I just caught up with some of the basics after ignoring this bull for a few days. 7% rise. Pahahahahahahaha fk off. If anybody needs a 7% rise it's frontline healthcare. This lot can take the 3% and be happy with it. Dearie me.

Surely the fact they'll end up with a better pay deal improves there members lives ?

[ChocolateFrog]

legzr1 said:

crankedup5 said:

When the rail workers finally receive their acceptable pay offer we can expect the drivers to call for an increase in pay. Pay differentials.?

Already happened in Scotland.
In relatively short time too.

But, the union didn’t have to deal with the shower of st further south.

Yep, a deal was agreed pretty quickly.

One we'd accept too. Let's see how hard we have to fight for it though.

[Munter]

egor110 said:

Surely the fact they'll end up with a better pay deal improves there members lives ?

Basis vs consequence. I specifically mentioned basis, what you describe would be a consequence.

If the Tory party take dirty Russian money and as a consequence are able to do a good thing. Is it still wrong to take the money? The left (unions etc) say yes.

Either st like the t-shirts needs to go, or they lose their moral high ground, and have to accept they stink of a mess of their own making just like everybody else.

[ChocolateFrog]

Munter said:

legzr1 said:

It’s a shame you’re so easily distracted.
Perhaps further reading might have helped explain why your post mentioning drivers wages in an RMT strike was so stupid.
Or maybe not.

Just out of interest, how much was delivery for the T shirts?

Perhaps the T-Shirts are an example of the ulterior motives of the unions and that strike action has no basis in improving the members lives, but is instead a political tool being backed by...shall we say...undesirable nation states who feel they'll benefit from political unrest.

Just like "ohh someone ate some cake with people they were preciously in an hours long meeting with". Or "who's paying money to x political party".

Either this stuff on the fringes of the main activity matters. Or it doesn't. The left need to choose a line not pedal both, and come out smelling of their own faeces as usual.

Anyway, I just caught up with some of the basics after ignoring this bull for a few days. 7% rise. Pahahahahahahaha fk off. If anybody needs a 7% rise it's frontline healthcare. This lot can take the 3% and be happy with it. Dearie me.

[alangla]

ChocolateFrog said:

legzr1 said:

crankedup5 said:

When the rail workers finally receive their acceptable pay offer we can expect the drivers to call for an increase in pay. Pay differentials.?

Already happened in Scotland.
In relatively short time too.

But, the union didn’t have to deal with the shower of st further south.

Yep, a deal was agreed pretty quickly.

One we'd accept too. Let's see how hard we have to fight for it though.

But not with the RMT. The dispute between Abellio (read Transport Scotland pulling the strings) and the RMT over guard & ticket examiner pay ran for nearly a year. It was only resolved after the RMT declared an all-out strike during COP26 and Sturgeon couldn't bear the embarrassment.
There were basically no Sunday services in Scotland for pretty much all of 2021.

One might suggest that the reason the dispute with ASLEF was settled very quickly was because the overtime ban (official or otherwise) started within minutes of Sturgeon unveiling a nameplate on one of the units saying the TOC was in public ownership, followed by the timetable falling to bits & the reinstatement of what's basically the deep lockdown timetable that's still continuing. If you want a train anywhere in Scotland after about 7pm, you're fked basically & this is the situation for the foreseeable. Most days they can't even deliver that & there's cancellations due to "driver taken ill" or "shortage of train drivers". Essentially political embarrassment drove a solution that hasn't actually solved the problem given the st timetable appears to be here to stay until they can train a lot more drivers, or permanently cut services even more than they've cut already this year.

Incidentally, there's also plans to slash ticket office opening hours in Scotland & the RMT were making noises on day 1 of nationalisation that they weren't prepared to accept public sector pay settlements. They may not be officially in dispute with ScotRail at the moment, but they will be before too long.

Ticket Office proposals - https://www.scotrail.co.uk/scotrail-ticket-office-...

Edited by alangla on Thursday 23 June 13:54

[legzr1]

ChocolateFrog said:

Indeed.

In a thread full of strange posts that one is ‘out there’.



10% of proceeds going to Ruskie special operations naturally.

[legzr1]

Munter said:

Anyway, I just caught up with some of the basics after ignoring this bull for a few days

And thanks for entering the thread to add even more.