Rape Gang - How'd they get away with it for so long?

Rape Gang - How'd they get away with it for so long?

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pad58

12,545 posts

183 months

Tuesday 14th May 2013
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smegmore said:
Pesty said:
One was found not guilty, the others attacked him in the dock. What's that all about?
Maybe he was 'first man in' and the others were batting on a sticky wicket.
Sorry but with a username like yours....
Couldn't help it.

fourpointsixgt

513 posts

166 months

Tuesday 14th May 2013
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longblackcoat said:
fourpointsixgt said:
As in the Rochdale case the chief prosecutor was "of the same race". Coincidence ?
Not sure how that's remotely relevant. All I want to know is: did the criminals get properly prosecuted, and are they facing long sentences? As the answer to both questions is a resounding 'yes' then I fail to see the problem.
It's relevant because, the fear of being seen to racist is the main reason why the authorities failed to act for so long. So by appointing an Asian/Muslim /Pakistan prosecutor it helps deflect some of the flak(in thier minds)

longblackcoat

5,047 posts

185 months

Tuesday 14th May 2013
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fourpointsixgt said:
longblackcoat said:
fourpointsixgt said:
As in the Rochdale case the chief prosecutor was "of the same race". Coincidence ?
Not sure how that's remotely relevant. All I want to know is: did the criminals get properly prosecuted, and are they facing long sentences? As the answer to both questions is a resounding 'yes' then I fail to see the problem.
It's relevant because, the fear of being seen to racist is the main reason why the authorities failed to act for so long. So by appointing an Asian/Muslim /Pakistan prosecutor it helps deflect some of the flak(in thier minds)
Hang on, so you're saying you can't have as Asian person prosecuting other Asians? Only white or black people can take these cases?

That's just bonkers - look at the track record of the prosecutors in these cases and tell me they're not qualified to take the cases on.

BliarOut

72,857 posts

241 months

Tuesday 14th May 2013
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longblackcoat said:
fourpointsixgt said:
longblackcoat said:
fourpointsixgt said:
As in the Rochdale case the chief prosecutor was "of the same race". Coincidence ?
Not sure how that's remotely relevant. All I want to know is: did the criminals get properly prosecuted, and are they facing long sentences? As the answer to both questions is a resounding 'yes' then I fail to see the problem.
It's relevant because, the fear of being seen to racist is the main reason why the authorities failed to act for so long. So by appointing an Asian/Muslim /Pakistan prosecutor it helps deflect some of the flak(in thier minds)
Hang on, so you're saying you can't have as Asian person prosecuting other Asians? Only white or black people can take these cases?

That's just bonkers - look at the track record of the prosecutors in these cases and tell me they're not qualified to take the cases on.
Err, he just said the complete opposite. The judge is asian to prevent ny possibility of the race card being played.

longblackcoat

5,047 posts

185 months

Tuesday 14th May 2013
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BliarOut said:
longblackcoat said:
fourpointsixgt said:
longblackcoat said:
fourpointsixgt said:
As in the Rochdale case the chief prosecutor was "of the same race". Coincidence ?
Not sure how that's remotely relevant. All I want to know is: did the criminals get properly prosecuted, and are they facing long sentences? As the answer to both questions is a resounding 'yes' then I fail to see the problem.
It's relevant because, the fear of being seen to racist is the main reason why the authorities failed to act for so long. So by appointing an Asian/Muslim /Pakistan prosecutor it helps deflect some of the flak(in thier minds)
Hang on, so you're saying you can't have as Asian person prosecuting other Asians? Only white or black people can take these cases?

That's just bonkers - look at the track record of the prosecutors in these cases and tell me they're not qualified to take the cases on.
Err, he just said the complete opposite. The judge is asian to prevent ny possibility of the race card being played.
OK, I take your point, but that's not how I read what was said, hence my somewhat perplexed reaction. I took it - perhaps incorrectly - that an Asian prosecutor was appointed because they were Asian, not necessarily because they were competent. Completely accept I could have misread.

smegmore

3,091 posts

178 months

Tuesday 14th May 2013
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pad58 said:
smegmore said:
Pesty said:
One was found not guilty, the others attacked him in the dock. What's that all about?
Maybe he was 'first man in' and the others were batting on a sticky wicket.
Sorry but with a username like yours....
Couldn't help it.
No apology necessary.

I'm used to it, it's my real name.

Gargamel

15,063 posts

263 months

Tuesday 14th May 2013
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Not sure if anyone watched Newsnight tonight, but the Chief Councillor of Oxford CC came across as the absolute stereotype of Public Services.

Had the same speech writers too, Very sorry, lesson learnt, system at fault not the people.

Asked if she would resign.

Answers on a postcard...

dmulally

6,217 posts

182 months

Tuesday 14th May 2013
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Benny Saltstein said:
That reads like a horror story.

Article said said:
Acts of physical and sexual violence escalated into using objects to cause pain and humiliation.

The court heard girls were tied up, burnt, suffocated, bitten, scratched and urinated upon.

Jurors were told most of the victims chose to take vast quantities of hard drugs to deaden their senses, particularly when they knew they were being hired out to a large group of men for gang abuse sessions that could go on for days.

The victims would return to Oxford bleeding, injured and carrying sexually-transmitted diseases.

.............


Mohammed Karrar who raped her, beat her with a baseball bat and forced her to have an illegal back-room abortion when she was 12-years-old.

pork911

7,310 posts

185 months

Wednesday 15th May 2013
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Mermaid said:

and how many more of their community knew this was going on, and did nothing.
which community? oxford, oxfordshire, southern england, england, uk etc?

jshell

Original Poster:

11,198 posts

207 months

Wednesday 15th May 2013
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Bill said:
Labour only gets anywhere politically because of Scotland AIUI.
And I thought that fallacy had been destroyed on here a hundred times!

fourpointsixgt

513 posts

166 months

Wednesday 15th May 2013
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Gargamel said:
Not sure if anyone watched Newsnight tonight, but the Chief Councillor of Oxford CC came across as the absolute stereotype of Public Services.

Had the same speech writers too, Very sorry, lesson learnt, system at fault not the people.

Asked if she would resign.

Answers on a postcard...
Yes, I saw her last night trotting out the predictable drivel, she completely failed in her basic duty whilst taking home a six figure salary. Unbelievable!!!

airportparking

1,314 posts

164 months

Wednesday 15th May 2013
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"Jimmy Savile is alleged to have abused 300 young people, and in his case and in north Wales, the abuse could not have happened without a wide range of co-conspirators either grooming children or ensuring the truth never got out.

“Is it something to do with white people's culture? Is it something to do with their loss of empire, and their new role in the world, as a diminished state desperately clinging to its glorious past? Do they seek to impose their last vestiges of power on the most vulnerable in society?

“Or maybe it's their religion?”

M@verick

976 posts

213 months

Wednesday 15th May 2013
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airportparking said:
"Jimmy Savile is alleged to have abused 300 young people, and in his case and in north Wales, the abuse could not have happened without a wide range of co-conspirators either grooming children or ensuring the truth never got out.

“Is it something to do with white people's culture? Is it something to do with their loss of empire, and their new role in the world, as a diminished state desperately clinging to its glorious past? Do they seek to impose their last vestiges of power on the most vulnerable in society?

“Or maybe it's their religion?”
You've arrived a tad late to this particular party.

R.

10 Pence Short

32,880 posts

219 months

Wednesday 15th May 2013
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Those bringing up Saville et al; I'm not sure what sort of response you're trying to elicit?

It's obvious there was a culture amongst a certain group of celebrities in the past to take advantage of young girls. It was ignored and it was disgraceful.

There us seemingly a culture now amongst muslim men that it is ok to abuse young, white girls. This was also ignored and it is also disgraceful.

The existence of one says nothing about the other, other than all cultures can be responsible for abuse and hiding behind political correctness is incredibly damaging.

Edited by 10 Pence Short on Wednesday 15th May 09:50

s1962a

5,444 posts

164 months

Wednesday 15th May 2013
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pork911 said:
Mermaid said:

and how many more of their community knew this was going on, and did nothing.
which community? oxford, oxfordshire, southern england, england, uk etc?
The people around them I would presume, if they knew what was going on. They should have reported it if they knew.

However, the people that did know about the abuse were social services and the police, and they shockingly chose to do nothing.

BBC article said:
The Crown Prosecution Service said it would look again at its decision to take no further action over allegations involving the girls between 2005 and 2006.

One of the victims had complained to police twice but no-one was charged.
Edited by s1962a on Wednesday 15th May 10:28

odyssey2200

18,650 posts

211 months

Wednesday 15th May 2013
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[quote=s1962a

BBC article said:
The Crown Prosecution Service said it would look again at its decision to take no further action over allegations involving the girls between 2005 and 2006.

One of the victims had complained to police twice but no-one was charged.
Edited by s1962a on Wednesday 15th May 10:28
maybe if they had been aged 1970s Celebs?

fido

16,904 posts

257 months

Wednesday 15th May 2013
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10 Pence Short said:
Those bringing up Saville et al; I'm not sure what sort of response you're trying to elicit?
I'll have a go. In both cases:-

a) pervy men doing stuff with underage girls
b) using their influence to get to suitable girls
b) some sort of network
c) police/authorites didn't act on evidence of abuse
d) went for years until something was done about it



10 Pence Short

32,880 posts

219 months

Wednesday 15th May 2013
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There are similarities in that young girls were abused and the perps fit a profile. What point are you trying to make, though? That the current cases are not an Asian problem? That there is no culture problem with groups of young Asian men?

airportparking

1,314 posts

164 months

Wednesday 15th May 2013
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Because the response is just as laughable, that's why, is it white culture is it Asian culture? No it's not, it's just pervs, yet as it suits so many agendas, lets carry on blaming Islam, brown guys, ethnics, immigrants etc etc, carry on, but it's just as ridiculous isn't it?

BliarOut

72,857 posts

241 months

Wednesday 15th May 2013
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airportparking said:
Because the response is just as laughable, that's why, is it white culture is it Asian culture? No it's not, it's just pervs, yet as it suits so many agendas, lets carry on blaming Islam, brown guys, ethnics, immigrants etc etc, carry on, but it's just as ridiculous isn't it?
Nope, go to a muslim country and speak to the people, the attitude is "white girls are up for it".
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