Give us a fracking break!

[Blackpuddin]

I would love to know how many of those on this thread who think fracking rigs look fine and present no threat to the environment are actually in the areas licensed for fracking.

[deckster]

Blackpuddin said:

I would love to know how many of those on this thread who think fracking rigs look fine and present no threat to the environment are actually in the areas licensed for fracking.

Yes, quite, because they are the only people with views that count, clearly. Everybody else is a blatant NIMBY and probably being paid by the oil companies/government/Illuminati anyway

[turbobloke]

Blackpuddin said:

I would love to know how many of those on this thread who think fracking rigs look fine and present no threat to the environment are actually in the areas licensed for fracking.

Not sure why anyone would assume that those who support fracking for rational reasons would be nimbys.

It's along similar lines to other discussions where the question "would you say the same if it was a member of your family?" is raised, and so far, yes.

As for real nimbys, the greater good of the greater number should prevail.

[FredClogs]

Blackpuddin said:

I would love to know how many of those on this thread who think fracking rigs look fine and present no threat to the environment are actually in the areas licensed for fracking.

My house is very close to the proposed Roseacre site and a few miles from the little Plumpton one. I'm pretty agnostic about the aesthetics of the sites, as I've explained above, the real issue for me with the Roseacre site was traffic, to answer the poster above also, Cuadrilla's own upper estimate was 50 wagons a day.

My secondary concern is that of the earth quakes, the test well at preece hall (also close) did rupture when the earth tremor happened, the integrity of the well casing was compromised and Cuadrilla have yet to show how they'll mitigate this happening again.

Also there is some quite dodgy political goings on which has disappointed me and also I'm unconvinced the market financials make as much sense as they did 6 or 7 years ago when this started. The government certainly have not been straight and honest about the money they have gifted Cuadrillas (in tax breaks).

Also fwiw I can see several windmills from my house and if the farm at st Michaels went ahead I'd see that too... I really don't care too much about that either, I quite like the way they look.

[Oakey]

Blackpuddin said:

I would love to know how many of those on this thread who think fracking rigs look fine and present no threat to the environment are actually in the areas licensed for fracking.

Me and Fred for a start

[Shoegrip]

Oakey said:

Blackpuddin said:

I would love to know how many of those on this thread who think fracking rigs look fine and present no threat to the environment are actually in the areas licensed for fracking.

Me and Fred for a start

And me. I don't think they look fine but that's not a reason not to have them. As to environment impact, if we want shale gas, there is a price to pay.

[marshall100]

motco said:

You forgot this part...

Ah, cornwall last week.

They should come down here. No-one would notice or care.....apart from the city folk.

[Andy Zarse]

BIANCO said:

Blackpuddin said:

I would love to know how many of those on this thread who think fracking rigs look fine and present no threat to the environment are actually in the areas licensed for fracking.

How long do you think the rigs stays for?

It could be there for some months. Oh the humanity.

[jurbie]

I would imagine that since The Labour party announced last week that they will ban fracking then the government will now be full speed ahead to get this industry up and running.

It'll be interesting to see Corbyn's response if by 2020 all those Labour voting northwest towns are seeing a bit of a fracking induced economic boom.

[AstonZagato]

Just watched the BBC News at 10pm.

A woman was complaining about fracking happening in the field over the road from her house. Understandable.

She particularly focused on the noise that it would potentially cause. Which would be a worry...

...except that it was difficult to hear her because of the roar of the traffic blasting past her front door.

[Shoegrip]

AstonZagato said:

Just watched the BBC News at 10pm.

A woman was complaining about fracking happening in the field over the road from her house. Understandable.

She particularly focused on the noise that it would potentially cause. Which would be a worry...

...except that it was difficult to hear her because of the roar of the traffic blasting past her front door.

Exactly what I said

[Russ35]

Shoegrip said:

AstonZagato said:

Just watched the BBC News at 10pm.

A woman was complaining about fracking happening in the field over the road from her house. Understandable.

She particularly focused on the noise that it would potentially cause. Which would be a worry...

...except that it was difficult to hear her because of the roar of the traffic blasting past her front door.

Exactly what I said

This would obviously be the A583 (Preston New Road) that was the main road between Blackpool and anywhere inland till the M55 was built and is still a main route between Blackpool and Preston.

I wonder if she lives in one of the houses that recently had a solar farm built in fields behind them.

[zygalski]

Going well in Pennsylvania.
Only 243 cases of water contamination in that state from 2008-2014.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/8/29/1325694/-P...

[gruffalo]

zygalski said:

Going well in Pennsylvania.
Only 243 cases of water contamination in that state from 2008-2014.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/8/29/1325694/-P...

I think you missed out the word "claimed".

Just on question in relation to that photo which I believe has been proved a fake, how does the gas get into a pipe?

[zygalski]

gruffalo said:

zygalski said:

Going well in Pennsylvania.
Only 243 cases of water contamination in that state from 2008-2014.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/8/29/1325694/-P...

I think you missed out the word "claimed".

Just on question in relation to that photo which I believe has been proved a fake, how does the gas get into a pipe?

Knock yourself out:
http://files.dep.state.pa.us/OilGas/BOGM/BOGMPorta...

Here's one I clicked on at random:

Edited by zygalski on Friday 7th October 07:03

[zygalski]

gruffalo said:

zygalski said:

Going well in Pennsylvania.
Only 243 cases of water contamination in that state from 2008-2014.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/8/29/1325694/-P...

I think you missed out the word "claimed".

Just on question in relation to that photo which I believe has been proved a fake, how does the gas get into a pipe?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LBjSXWQRV8

Lady claims methane content has increased from .01mg/ltr (fracking company test results) to a max of 64mg/ltr in the following years.

Edited by zygalski on Friday 7th October 07:12

[Oakey]

zygalski said:

Knock yourself out:
http://files.dep.state.pa.us/OilGas/BOGM/BOGMPorta...

Here's one I clicked on at random:

Edited by zygalski on Friday 7th October 07:03

Get much of your water supply from a spring?

[turbobloke]

zygalski said:

gruffalo said:

zygalski said:

Going well in Pennsylvania.
Only 243 cases of water contamination in that state from 2008-2014.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/8/29/1325694/-P...

I think you missed out the word "claimed".

Just on question in relation to that photo which I believe has been proved a fake, how does the gas get into a pipe?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LBjSXWQRV8

Lady claims methane content has increased from .01mg/ltr (fracking company test results) to a max of 64mg/ltr in the following years.

Apparently, residential water wells in northeast Pennsylvania are more likely to contain higher levels of diesel-like chemicals where pre-existing wells have a history of environmental protection shortcomings. There's more.

A peer-reviewed paper published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences said:

The contamination came from surface spills of hydraulic fracturing fluid, not fracking compounds that were injected deep underground. Contamination levels were not a threat to human health.

Lead author Brian Drollette: pollutants were found in low concentrations so unlikely to be a threat to human health.

Abstract from Drollette et al 2015 said:

The data support a transport mechanism of DRO to groundwater via accidental release of fracturing fluid chemicals derived from the surface rather than subsurface flow of these fluids from the underlying shale formation.

The study showed that pollutants were not moving upwards from shale deposits. Surface spills are not an essential feature of the hydraulic fracturing process and can be easily avoided - but were not avoided in the past, obviously, which is culpably wrong.

http://www.pnas.org/content/112/43/13184.abstract

[Sway]

Indeed. One must remember also the rules around fracking on mainland UK and the North Sea are considerably more stringent than in the US...

To compare US operations and those proposed here is to treat the Republicans and the Conservatives as the same party.

[FredClogs]

Russ35 said:

This would obviously be the A583 (Preston New Road) that was the main road between Blackpool and anywhere inland till the M55 was built and is still a main route between Blackpool and Preston.

I wonder if she lives in one of the houses that recently had a solar farm built in fields behind them.

The A583 from Preston to Blackpool is a main road, single carriage way single lane except for a little bit if 2 lane carriageway at the Kirkham bypass.

Whether or not you think its a busy road will probably depend on the time of day and your own experience of what is busy, for anyone from the SE of England or a major city it would certainly not be classed as a busy road, it certainly does not take many HGVs. The houses on that road near Little Plumpton are likely to be badly effected by the drill site, but there are very few people who will have direct site of the well and be subjected to the noise, the houses effected are quite fancy and expensive for the area though, I suspect some offer of purchase or compensation would have been a better way for Cuadrilla to have gone rather than trying to dismiss peoples legitimate concerns. They could always have sold the houses after the drilling had finished of course, assuming no lasting effects, they could even have housed the workers in them?