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Brads67 said:
colonel c said:
That’s right. They usually come equipped with bolt croppers and crowbars.
It’s not been unknown for them to steal mini diggers from building sites too.
So we can take it you have little experience of foxes then ?It’s not been unknown for them to steal mini diggers from building sites too.
That is a genuine question, by the way, not just trying to annoy pro-hunters because I am not.
Edited by kingston12 on Monday 14th January 00:55
Edited by kingston12 on Monday 14th January 01:02
kingston12 said:
I don’t think that there is any doubt that foxes can be ruinous for livestock and are generally a massive pain to a lot of people living and working in the countryside, but what relevance does that have to whether or not they should be hunted with hounds if that is not an efficient way of killing them?
That is a genuine question, by the way, not just trying to annoy pro-hunters because I am not.
It doesn't have to be efficient- it just means that fox welfare isn't a high priority.That is a genuine question, by the way, not just trying to annoy pro-hunters because I am not.
kingston12 said:
I don’t think that there is any doubt that foxes can be ruinous for livestock and are generally a massive pain to a lot of people living and working in the countryside, but what relevance does that have to whether or not they should be hunted with hounds if that is not an efficient way of killing them?
That is a genuine question, by the way, not just trying to annoy pro-hunters because I am not.
I go out with a foot pack of hounds, and they are very very efficient, as were lurchers. So using dogs to control foxes is efficient, it's the imagery that drives the anti hunting tThat is a genuine question, by the way, not just trying to annoy pro-hunters because I am not.
Edited by kingston12 on Monday 14th January 00:55
Edited by kingston12 on Monday 14th January 01:02
ts crazy.Brads67 said:
kingston12 said:
I don’t think that there is any doubt that foxes can be ruinous for livestock and are generally a massive pain to a lot of people living and working in the countryside, but what relevance does that have to whether or not they should be hunted with hounds if that is not an efficient way of killing them?
That is a genuine question, by the way, not just trying to annoy pro-hunters because I am not.
I go out with a foot pack of hounds, and they are very very efficient, as were lurchers. So using dogs to control foxes is efficient, it's the imagery that drives the anti hunting tThat is a genuine question, by the way, not just trying to annoy pro-hunters because I am not.
Edited by kingston12 on Monday 14th January 00:55
Edited by kingston12 on Monday 14th January 01:02
ts crazy.It’s the cruelty disguised as a social service by the hunting a
holes that irks.
Brads67 said:
I go out with a foot pack of hounds, and they are very very efficient, as were lurchers. So using dogs to control foxes is efficient, it's the imagery that drives the anti hunting tts crazy.
No it is not. How much does it cost to raise, house, feed, train 30 dogs? Let alone vet treatment (I will be generous and ignore what I have been told about such things of course).ts crazy.Now, how about one person and a .303 rifle?
I mean, we are told all the time it is only the old and infirm foxes that are killed, which of itself tells you it is inefficient.....
popeyewhite said:
colonel c said:
That’s right. They usually come equipped with bolt croppers and crowbars.
It’s not been unknown for them to steal mini diggers from building sites too.
You're thinking of p*keys. Different species old chap, but some say equally verminous.It’s not been unknown for them to steal mini diggers from building sites too.
Jasandjules said:
No it is not. How much does it cost to raise, house, feed, train 30 dogs? Let alone vet treatment (I will be generous and ignore what I have been told about such things of course).
Now, how about one person and a .303 rifle?
I mean, we are told all the time it is only the old and infirm foxes that are killed, which of itself tells you it is inefficient.....
That shows ignorance. The money is of no concern whatsoever.Now, how about one person and a .303 rifle?
I mean, we are told all the time it is only the old and infirm foxes that are killed, which of itself tells you it is inefficient.....
The amount killed and the efficiency of the manner used is the concern.
I can kill as many in a night with 2 lurchers as with my 243 and a foot pack can kill many more in days working.
Dogs kill all foxes not the infirm, they ARE efficient at killing foxes quickly, you can take that from me. They do the job and they do it fast.
Jasandjules said:
I mean, we are told all the time it is only the old and infirm foxes that are killed, which of itself tells you it is inefficient.....
I’d always thought that was a bit of failed bullst from the hunting fraternity to appease a section of the anti-hunting fraternity. I’ve never been to a hunt and never will, but I can’t imagine a pack of dogs in full flight would have trouble catching the strongest and most healthy fox.
It’s one of the things I find interesting about this debate - neither side seems to have a consistent argument or theme. I guess that is because everyone wants different things as opposed to just ban/no ban.
wsurfa said:
gazza285 said:
Lad I work with has shot four in one night, with the minimum of fuss, no dogs or horses involved, no dressing up, and no booze.
Lamping from a vehicle? Or walking in upland areas(eg Welsh hills)Sorry but lamping is a bit cowboy/
.All IMO/IME.
OpulentBob said:
Or just sitting in a field with a good view across a shallow valley just outside any town anywhere. You wouldn't get 4 in a night, shooting, walking through welsh hills. You'd need a caller or scent bag or bait or something in a fixed location.
[b]Sorry but lamping is a bit cowboy/.[b/]
All IMO/IME.
Whilst ‘lamping’ can certainly be seen as a Chavvy thing to be doing, it is highly effective.[b]Sorry but lamping is a bit cowboy/
.[b/]All IMO/IME.
I’ve seen lads post up photos of the back of a pickup literally filled with foxes after one night.
A customer of mine does "pest control" - from the back of a pickup truck with a selection of night-scoped rifles. He uses callers and just waits out until a fox is within range and on permissible land. With a decent vantage point he can take 5-10 in a few hours just luring them in with the sounds of rodents and rabbits alarm calls.
He works for a lot of dairy and sheep farmers, and is busy all year round. It's done with the minimal of fuss, and protects thousands of pounds worth of livestock annually.
He works for a lot of dairy and sheep farmers, and is busy all year round. It's done with the minimal of fuss, and protects thousands of pounds worth of livestock annually.
Brads67 said:
That shows ignorance. The money is of no concern whatsoever.
If money is of no concern whatsoever then the reason is entertainment. That means the people involved are psychopaths who enjoy harming animals for fun. But you prove the point well, the fox hunters are nothing but scum who enjoy harming animals.
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