And...It's Spain.. will it kick off ?
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TooMany2cvs said:
wc98 said:
"A large proportion of the protesters arrived by chartered coach, taking the 12-hour drive through France from Catalonia." hmmm....
How many coaches? Let's assume they're 85-seat, which is about the largest you can really get.Even half of the 45,000 people would be 265 coaches.
Digga said:
TooMany2cvs said:
wc98 said:
"A large proportion of the protesters arrived by chartered coach, taking the 12-hour drive through France from Catalonia." hmmm....
How many coaches? Let's assume they're 85-seat, which is about the largest you can really get.Even half of the 45,000 people would be 265 coaches.
SystemParanoia said:
Digga said:
TooMany2cvs said:
wc98 said:
"A large proportion of the protesters arrived by chartered coach, taking the 12-hour drive through France from Catalonia." hmmm....
How many coaches? Let's assume they're 85-seat, which is about the largest you can really get.Even half of the 45,000 people would be 265 coaches.
Digga said:
TooMany2cvs said:
wc98 said:
"A large proportion of the protesters arrived by chartered coach, taking the 12-hour drive through France from Catalonia." hmmm....
How many coaches? Let's assume they're 85-seat, which is about the largest you can really get.Even half of the 45,000 people would be 265 coaches.
SystemParanoia said:
Digga said:
TooMany2cvs said:
wc98 said:
"A large proportion of the protesters arrived by chartered coach, taking the 12-hour drive through France from Catalonia." hmmm....
How many coaches? Let's assume they're 85-seat, which is about the largest you can really get.Even half of the 45,000 people would be 265 coaches.
That bring said 45k in a foreign country several hours away is quite impressive
“Catalans head to the polls on Thursday to vote in an extraordinary and bitterly contested election that will pit secessionists against unionists and determine the next phase of the long-running campaign for independence from Spain.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/21/cata...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/21/cata...
BlackLabel said:
“Catalans head to the polls on Thursday to vote in an extraordinary and bitterly contested election that will pit secessionists against unionists and determine the next phase of the long-running campaign for independence from Spain.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/21/cata...
Am I right in thinking that, even if Catalonia became independent, they would retain the Euro, yes? Clearly it is within the interests of the EU not to risk any of the PIIGS falling out of the Euro blanket; Greece was a can small enough to be kicked, ad infinitum, but any of the others leaving would trigger serious turmoil.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/21/cata...
Digga said:
m I right in thinking that, even if Catalonia became independent, they would retain the Euro, yes?
Nobody knows. They might. It's possible to use the Euro without being a formal member of the ECB - Montenegro does.Nobody knows if they'd even be an EU member. They might get in the back door, but it's unlikely. Spain would almost certainly veto a membership application.
TooMany2cvs said:
Digga said:
m I right in thinking that, even if Catalonia became independent, they would retain the Euro, yes?
Nobody knows. They might. It's possible to use the Euro without being a formal member of the ECB - Montenegro does.Nobody knows if they'd even be an EU member. They might get in the back door, but it's unlikely. Spain would almost certainly veto a membership application.
82% turnout.
Telegraph said:
With 60 percent of the votes counted, the pro-independence bloc appeared on course to secure an absolute majority, its three parties headed for a combined 70 seats of the parliament's 135. The unionist bloc were set to take 57, despite the centre-right Ciudadanos led by Ines Arrimadas being poised to become the largest single party.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/21/catalans-turn-record-numbers-vote-critical-regional-election/http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42435684
erm, so there are two separatist parties splitting the vote, of there wasn't independence would walk it, good going fellas.
The BBC's Kevin Connolly in Barcelona says there is every prospect that the two sides in the independence debate will once again end up with a similar share of the vote and the election will restate Catalonia's problem rather than resolve it.
erm, so there are two separatist parties splitting the vote, of there wasn't independence would walk it, good going fellas.
The BBC's Kevin Connolly in Barcelona says there is every prospect that the two sides in the independence debate will once again end up with a similar share of the vote and the election will restate Catalonia's problem rather than resolve it.
Halb said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42435684
erm, so there are two separatist parties splitting the vote, of there wasn't independence would walk it, good going fellas.
The BBC's Kevin Connolly in Barcelona says there is every prospect that the two sides in the independence debate will once again end up with a similar share of the vote and the election will restate Catalonia's problem rather than resolve it.
Didn't we have a similar situation earlier in the year - both major parties saying same thing in terms of brexit.erm, so there are two separatist parties splitting the vote, of there wasn't independence would walk it, good going fellas.
The BBC's Kevin Connolly in Barcelona says there is every prospect that the two sides in the independence debate will once again end up with a similar share of the vote and the election will restate Catalonia's problem rather than resolve it.
If the result is the same as it was, then powers in Madrid will have to rethink the options
B'stard Child said:
Halb said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42435684
erm, so there are two separatist parties splitting the vote, of there wasn't independence would walk it, good going fellas.
The BBC's Kevin Connolly in Barcelona says there is every prospect that the two sides in the independence debate will once again end up with a similar share of the vote and the election will restate Catalonia's problem rather than resolve it.
Didn't we have a similar situation earlier in the year - both major parties saying same thing in terms of brexit.erm, so there are two separatist parties splitting the vote, of there wasn't independence would walk it, good going fellas.
The BBC's Kevin Connolly in Barcelona says there is every prospect that the two sides in the independence debate will once again end up with a similar share of the vote and the election will restate Catalonia's problem rather than resolve it.
If the result is the same as it was, then powers in Madrid will have to rethink the options
It'll be interesting to see what the result is; considering the "illegal" independence vote the other week suggested it was a 90% vote share for independence.
If that was true, I'd expect to see similar distribution of votes for unionist/nationalist parties.
Naturally if it all goes wrong, expect some diversionary politics from Spain, more hassle over Gibraltar, fishing, EU etc.
I bet Sturgeon is rubbing her hands like a psychotic grasshopper over all this.
If that was true, I'd expect to see similar distribution of votes for unionist/nationalist parties.
Naturally if it all goes wrong, expect some diversionary politics from Spain, more hassle over Gibraltar, fishing, EU etc.
I bet Sturgeon is rubbing her hands like a psychotic grasshopper over all this.
k and not what I expected, truth be told.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff