RMT union vote for a national rail strike

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alangla said:

Incidentally, there's also plans to slash ticket office opening hours in Scotland & the RMT were making noises on day 1 of nationalisation that they weren't prepared to accept public sector pay settlements. They may not be officially in dispute with ScotRail at the moment, but they will be before too long.

Ticket Office proposals - https://www.scotrail.co.uk/scotrail-ticket-office-...

From the above link.

" Currently the option for alternative deployment of staff is constrained from having to adhere to the opening hours from 1991 for each ticket office."

Seriously! Management can't close a ticket office because it was needed 31 years ago?

All Out!!

[Munter]

legzr1 said:

ChocolateFrog said:

Indeed.

In a thread full of strange posts that one is ‘out there’.



10% of proceeds going to Ruskie special operations naturally.

I think you might have both missed the point there...

I'll try and dumb it down (apparently based on your responses...it's needed. So don't get upset that it's had to be done)

The left leaning organisations (such as the RMT) are always up in arms with random conspiracy theories about how the Conservative party is corrupt etc, any time there's barely an opportunity. Yet, right there, on their website, are reportedly T-Shirt's in support of the very kinds of states we're currently at war with in Europe. You do see the irony there right?...

[legzr1]

JagLover said:

Scotland is a bit of a different situation as they receive more funding per head than England. Pre-Covid the Scottish rail system was already receiving three times the level of public subsidy per passenger than England.

If the SNP have chosen to use some of the grant money they receive to fund a higher pay settlement that may well be affordable for them, or perhaps they will take money from elsewhere.

News just in:

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-new...

Strange times.

[2xChevrons]

Munter said:

I think you might have both missed the point there...

I'll try and dumb it down (apparently based on your responses...it's needed. So don't get upset that it's had to be done)

The left leaning organisations (such as the RMT) are always up in arms with random conspiracy theories about how the Conservative party is corrupt etc, any time there's barely an opportunity. Yet, right there, on their website, are reportedly T-Shirt's in support of the very kinds of states we're currently at war with in Europe. You do see the irony there right?...

Which country in Europe are we currently at war with? (We're not at war with Russia - a situation very deliberately maintained!). We're not at war with Cuba either, which isn't in Europe. The red star? The USSR/Red Army doesn't exist any more (and I don't think Putin's Russia embodies many of the political tenets of the Soviet Union except a penchant for ideological imperialism), and the red star is just a generic symbol of socialism. Or maybe the RMT are really fond of the old BR parcels service?

This is pretty desperate stuff - I support trade unionism and I can think of more legitimate and relevant stuff to criticise the RMT for than the T-shirts for sale in its online shop!

[ZedLeg]

Munter said:

I think you might have both missed the point there...

I'll try and dumb it down (apparently based on your responses...it's needed. So don't get upset that it's had to be done)

The left leaning organisations (such as the RMT) are always up in arms with random conspiracy theories about how the Conservative party is corrupt etc, any time there's barely an opportunity. Yet, right there, on their website, are reportedly T-Shirt's in support of the very kinds of states we're currently at war with in Europe. You do see the irony there right?...

The conservative party is openly and brazenly corrupt though, they've stopped even trying to hide. They've gone through 2 ethics advisors already this year

[legzr1]

Munter said:

I think you might have both missed the point there...

I'll try and dumb it down (apparently based on your responses...it's needed. So don't get upset that it's had to be done)

The left leaning organisations (such as the RMT) are always up in arms with random conspiracy theories about how the Conservative party is corrupt etc, any time there's barely an opportunity. Yet, right there, on their website, are reportedly T-Shirt's in support of the very kinds of states we're currently at war with in Europe. You do see the irony there right?...

I missed nothing and you won’t upset me.

I’ve actually conversed with people who know what they’re talking about and normally leave with a smile, even when agreeing to disagree.

Your ‘take away’ from your (by own admission) basic understanding and (I’m guessing) quick flick through this entire thread is to compare the antics of our current PM and high-grade ministers to the RMT selling T-shirts that offend you in some way.



PM me your size and I’ll see if I can get you a discount. 2% now then 0.5% X2 if you can show you’ve worn it and if you’ve worn it in previously agree scenarios.

[Gecko1978]

S17Thumper said:

Quite liking how footfall in some commuter towns is up as a lot are wfh

It's almost as if we have tested what happens if you can't get to work already.....oh that's right it doesn't matter

Makes the railways much more dicey in terms of long term profits if people just stay away

[FiF]

Off Topic warning, but not going to start a thread just for this.

BA staff just voted for strike action at Heathrow. 700 check in and ground crew, GMB saying will target for maximum effect on summer getaway.

Jumping on RMT bandwagon or outside influence to make life difficult for UK? If latter, who? Yep tin foil hat in place.

[legzr1]

FiF said:

Jumping on RMT bandwagon or outside influence to make life difficult for UK? If latter, who? Yep tin foil hat in place.

Is it really an either/or question?

[ZedLeg]

I'd be surprised if there wasn't more strike action called tbh, I've seen people calling for a general strike.

[legzr1]

ZedLeg said:

I'd be surprised if there wasn't more strike action called tbh, I've seen people calling for a general strike.

[ZedLeg]

Turns out that as a government you can only use your country as a piggy bank for you and your pals for so long before people get pissed off.

[JagLover]

FiF said:

Off Topic warning, but not going to start a thread just for this.

BA staff just voted for strike action at Heathrow. 700 check in and ground crew, GMB saying will target for maximum effect on summer getaway.

Jumping on RMT bandwagon or outside influence to make life difficult for UK? If latter, who? Yep tin foil hat in place.

Working for the same BA group that posted a £624million loss in the first quarter of this year. I wonder if they are expecting the government to subsidise their pay rises like the rail unions.

[Munter]

FiF said:

Off Topic warning, but not going to start a thread just for this.

BA staff just voted for strike action at Heathrow. 700 check in and ground crew, GMB saying will target for maximum effect on summer getaway.

Jumping on RMT bandwagon or outside influence to make life difficult for UK? If latter, who? Yep tin foil hat in place.

I'll bet in a few moments there'll be someone along who'll confuse influence with control.

[Munter]

legzr1 said:

I missed nothing and you won’t upset me.

I’ve actually conversed with people who know what they’re talking about and normally leave with a smile, even when agreeing to disagree.

Your ‘take away’ from your (by own admission) basic understanding and (I’m guessing) quick flick through this entire thread is to compare the antics of our current PM and high-grade ministers to the RMT selling T-shirts that offend you in some way.



PM me your size and I’ll see if I can get you a discount. 2% now then 0.5% X2 if you can show you’ve worn it and if you’ve worn it in previously agree scenarios.

So you did miss the point. That's ok. But I can't think of a way to make it simpler. Because not only did you miss my point. You've then acted in exactly the way I was pointing out people act to distract from the main issue with a "nothing".

7% is a pisstake if things are going well. Things are not going well. 3% and a few job losses via wastage and voluntary is generous when things are not going well. They should be snatching at it while the offer is there.

[chemistry]

Gecko1978 said:

S17Thumper said:

Quite liking how footfall in some commuter towns is up as a lot are wfh

It's almost as if we have tested what happens if you can't get to work already.....oh that's right it doesn't matter

Makes the railways much more dicey in terms of long term profits if people just stay away

Only about 20% of trains running and lots of RMT staff standing around stations doing nothing; is that much different to normal?

[JagLover]

chemistry said:

Gecko1978 said:

S17Thumper said:

Quite liking how footfall in some commuter towns is up as a lot are wfh

It's almost as if we have tested what happens if you can't get to work already.....oh that's right it doesn't matter

Makes the railways much more dicey in terms of long term profits if people just stay away

Only about 20% of trains running and lots of RMT staff standing around stations doing nothing; is that much different to normal?

If most people don't mind, and in fact are pleased to have a chance to WFH, it doesn't really matter does it.

We have tried WFH, and did it for months on end for no real ill-effect. So the rail unions can hardly hold the country to ransom.

I take on board the point that many people cannot work from home, but the point is that the majority of rail commuters can.

[legzr1]

Munter said:

So you did miss the point. That's ok. But I can't think of a way to make it simpler. Because not only did you miss my point. You've then acted in exactly the way I was pointing out people act to distract from the main issue with a "nothing".

7% is a pisstake if things are going well. Things are not going well. 3% and a few job losses via wastage and voluntary is generous when things are not going well. They should be snatching at it while the offer is there.

No.

What I did was hinted that you don’t really have a clue and are simply repeating the same things that have been covered in this thread already.

Your ‘basic’ understanding isn’t even basic.

Keeping the points you’ve made in your head, try re-visiting the thread from the start.

T-shirts on the RMT site?

[S17Thumper]

JagLover said:

chemistry said:

Gecko1978 said:

S17Thumper said:

Quite liking how footfall in some commuter towns is up as a lot are wfh

It's almost as if we have tested what happens if you can't get to work already.....oh that's right it doesn't matter

Makes the railways much more dicey in terms of long term profits if people just stay away

Only about 20% of trains running and lots of RMT staff standing around stations doing nothing; is that much different to normal?

If most people don't mind, and in fact are pleased to have a chance to WFH, it doesn't really matter does it.

We have tried WFH, and did it for months on end for no real ill-effect. So the rail unions can hardly hold the country to ransom.

I take on board the point that many people cannot work from home, but the point is that the majority of rail commuters can.

To make a massive assumption (extrapolated from what I see at work)… most of those who spend the £££ on season tickets also tend to be able to wfh too.

ETA: although road traffic is up, albeit by something like 2%. Not exactly having the impact the unions want.

Edited by S17Thumper on Thursday 23 June 15:39

[Vasco]

ChocolateFrog said:

legzr1 said:

crankedup5 said:

When the rail workers finally receive their acceptable pay offer we can expect the drivers to call for an increase in pay. Pay differentials.?

Already happened in Scotland.
In relatively short time too.

But, the union didn’t have to deal with the shower of st further south.

Yep, a deal was agreed pretty quickly.

One we'd accept too. Let's see how hard we have to fight for it though.

Everything to date suggests that the % increase will largely be down to the RMT members themselves. It's simply going to boil down to how prepared rail staff are to accept revised Terms & Conditions.
Refusal to accept changes probably means 3% max.........it's then over to you....