Rishi Sunak - Prime Minister
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blueg33 said:
I have kids in their 20’s
To get them on board they need to look at legacy student loans, housing supply, cost of living, stop being devisive about disability, homelessness, race, gender, sort mental health services.
My son was in CCF we talked about National Service yesterday, he thinks it’s ridiculous and unworkable.
Exactly.To get them on board they need to look at legacy student loans, housing supply, cost of living, stop being devisive about disability, homelessness, race, gender, sort mental health services.
My son was in CCF we talked about National Service yesterday, he thinks it’s ridiculous and unworkable.
The question of what Labour are offering is an entirely fair one but you could also look at what are they not offering and so far it seems to be as simple as less of the culture wars stuff and having some appeal to younger voters for not continually kicking them in the balls and telling them they're the problem and just need to give a bit more.
Wombat3 said:
No answer as to why its actually a bad idea then aside from where it came from?
Because we don't compel people to do stuff like this because we're a free society. We are free to say "I don't want to contribute". Compelling people to do stuff like national service is the kind of authoritarian, statist crap used by the Soviet Union amongst others to indoctrinate people with a uniform idea of what 'a good society' looks like, what patriotism means, etc.And that's before we even look at the practical side which includes the armed forces having nothing like the headcount to train all these people even if the entire armed forces was repurposed as a training organisation, plus the trainees then leaving before they could do anything useful.
It's a genuinely idiotic policy.
Wombat3 said:
borcy said:
Wombat3 said:
said:
It's the overall concept of requiring some form of service that should be the start point of the debate.
If it's viewed as being a positive thing overall, then you figure out how to do it. Its an adaptation of the ethos behind the DoE scheme & I've never heard a bad word said about that.
We've had a couple of the community volunteer suggestions before from previous governments, they've gone nowhere. I don't expect this to be any different.
Wombat3 said:
119 said:
Care to point out where I have defended them?
It's the usual trope, if you don't worship at the altar of St Kier then you must be a "sympathiser"119 on another thread said:
Double stabbing in Bournemouth with a 17 year old arrested.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-69063...
Another to add to the statistics, but no doubt it's the fault of the Tories.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-69063...
Another to add to the statistics, but no doubt it's the fault of the Tories.
President Merkin said:
Wombat3 said:
119 said:
Care to point out where I have defended them?
It's the usual trope, if you don't worship at the altar of St Kier then you must be a "sympathiser"119 on another thread said:
Double stabbing in Bournemouth with a 17 year old arrested.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-69063...
Another to add to the statistics, but no doubt it's the fault of the Tories.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-69063...
Another to add to the statistics, but no doubt it's the fault of the Tories.
That is not 'support'.
Maybe look the word up sometime.
And FYI, i have mainly been a Labour supporter up until the Corbyn loon.
Edited by 119 on Monday 27th May 10:28
ATG said:
Wombat3 said:
No answer as to why its actually a bad idea then aside from where it came from?
Because we don't compel people to do stuff like this because we're a free society. We are free to say "I don't want to contribute". Compelling people to do stuff like national service is the kind of authoritarian, statist crap used by the Soviet Union amongst others to indoctrinate people with a uniform idea of what 'a good society' looks like, what patriotism means, etc.And that's before we even look at the practical side which includes the armed forces having nothing like the headcount to train all these people even if the entire armed forces was repurposed as a training organisation, plus the trainees then leaving before they could do anything useful.
It's a genuinely idiotic policy.
Requiring people to do something like this is not necessarily bad , it depends what it is and what the outcome/output is. It's also not all about the military.
However, one obvious benefit of this is the opportunity to engage with the military (which has been struggling to recruit) on a non committed basis. Some of them may elect to stay on.
Obviously there are logistical issues as with many things. That doesn't mean they are insurmountable if it's deemed worth doing.
Edited by Wombat3 on Monday 27th May 10:25
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: Exactly.
The question of what Labour are offering is an entirely fair one but you could also look at what are they not offering and so far it seems to be as simple as less of the culture wars stuff and having some appeal to younger voters for not continually kicking them in the balls and telling them they're the problem and just need to give a bit more.
We've got little clue as to what they are or aren't offering at this point I'd suggest, at least on the important stuff?The question of what Labour are offering is an entirely fair one but you could also look at what are they not offering and so far it seems to be as simple as less of the culture wars stuff and having some appeal to younger voters for not continually kicking them in the balls and telling them they're the problem and just need to give a bit more.
And do you rally believe that the culture war stuff will lessen under Labour, or will it just be that you agree with more of it?
SWoll said:
We've got little clue as to what they are or aren't offering at this point I'd suggest, at least on the important stuff?
And do you rally believe that the culture war stuff will lessen under Labour, or will it just be that you agree with more of it?
Perception is there's less of it so I'm sure some people will think there's just as much or more.And do you rally believe that the culture war stuff will lessen under Labour, or will it just be that you agree with more of it?
But I don't see them banging on about toilets and "woke blobs" and gender and "anti growth coalitions" and other conspiracy theory nonsense to anything like the same degree this lot have done under Sunak and Truss and Johnson.
119 said:
blueg33 said:
119 said:
Nice try.
That is not 'support'.
Maybe look the word up sometime.
And FYI, i have mainly been a Labour supporter up until the Corbyn loon.
I said defend not support. That is not 'support'.
Maybe look the word up sometime.
And FYI, i have mainly been a Labour supporter up until the Corbyn loon.
Edited by 119 on Monday 27th May 10:28
blueg33 said:
119 said:
blueg33 said:
119 said:
Nice try.
That is not 'support'.
Maybe look the word up sometime.
And FYI, i have mainly been a Labour supporter up until the Corbyn loon.
I said defend not support. That is not 'support'.
Maybe look the word up sometime.
And FYI, i have mainly been a Labour supporter up until the Corbyn loon.
Edited by 119 on Monday 27th May 10:28
Anyway I gotta get on and mow the paddock.
Play nice kids!
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