Israel invaded

[Slowboathome]

MrJuice said:

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I am condemning them. I just find it incredible that these Hamas terrorists had rape as a priority at that particular time. Not suggesting it didn't happen if there's reliable evidence to suggest that it did.

You are Owen Jones AICMFP.

[MrJuice]

M5-911 said:

He question the treatment of those women as he doesn't think that there are enough proof but stick an article which mention the bad treatment of Palestinians from unknown sources....

can you point me to where I said there was not enough proof

here's an article from known sources: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crgygdr7vezo

I can see why someone would want to remain anonymous when being critical of Israel. Mordechai Vanunu, anyone?

[Dagnir]

MrJuice said:

ChocolateFrog said:

You wouldn't want to be any of those female Israeli soldiers captured on the 7th that are featured on Sky News.

All 18 and 19. Assume they're dead now but that must have been a grim end.

is there any photo evidence you can share?

here's a link that shows how Palestinian detainees are treated by the most moral army in the world:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may...

Textbook!

"I don't believe you? oh and look how bad the other side is instead!"

Almost bot-worthy.

[911hope]

fido said:

Yes, it does - because if you say X is not justified then it would apply to ALL conflicts, not just ones where Israel are involved.

My assertion is that the deaths are justified because a) it is a war (which Hamas who govern Gaza started) and civilians unfortunately get killed along with Hamas fighters b) Israel has taken steps to minimise civilian casualties i.e. dropping leaflets, warnings through text messages etc. c) the ratios are acceptable compared to other urban battles e.g. 10,000 civilians died in Mosul alongside about 4,000 ISIS members.

While you are so comfortable with the death of 35000 Palestinians, the maiming of 70000 more and the starvation of 2 Million, it may be worth considering that other people may not share your views.

UN, ICC and USA rank amongst these.

[fido]

911hope said:

While you are so comfortable with the death of 35000 Palestinians, the maiming of 70000 more and the starvation of 2 Million, it may be worth considering that other people may not share your views.

And they are completely entitled to side with terrorists and religious extremists, but I do not wish them the best and neither do others. On your other assertion, understanding the realities of war is not the same as being comfortable of deaths. I would prefer there to be no war, but sometimes wars have to be fought. In this case the 35,000 have died for nothing more than religious zeal and a proxy war aided by Iran.

[Oliver Hardy]

MrJuice said:

more on the most moral army in the world:

https://x.com/gregjstoker/status/17936397709645619...

How do you know this video is fact? Keep seeing these posts, whistle blowers says this....

Because someone says something it might not be accurate.

Such allegations are made against the British army too when it was deployed in Afghanistan and Iran.

And who says the IDF is the most moral army in the world? heard it is one of the most professional but the claim that it is the most moral seems to come from these posting anti Israeli links.

[MrJuice]

Oliver Hardy said:

How do you know this video is fact? Keep seeing these posts, whistle blowers says this....

Because someone says something it might not be accurate.

Such allegations are made against the British army too when it was deployed in Afghanistan and Iran.

And who says the IDF is the most moral army in the world? heard it is one of the most professional but the claim that it is the most moral seems to come from these posting anti Israeli links.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/27/israel-defence-forces-most-moral-soldiers-in-the-world/

I believe the PM of Israel has called the IDF the most moral army in the world on many occasions.

Moderator edit: no potentially defamatory comments please

[M5-911]

MrJuice said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/27/israel...

I believe the PM of Israel has called the IDF the most moral army in the world on many occasions.

Moderator edit: no potentially defamatory comments please

The problem we have there is that both sides are going for revenge. I don't think either side cares anymore.

-Hama's don't care about using human Shields to fulfill their ideology.
-IDF don't care about what the rest of the world think about them.

Depending on which media you read, atrocities will be reported (and sometime amplified) to support one or another as we can see from all our posts above. Will it stop? I doubt, we might have a sort of ceasefire but no more sadly.

[isaldiri]

M5-911 said:

Depending on which media you read, atrocities will be reported (and sometime amplified) to support one or another as we can see from all our posts above. Will it stop? I doubt, we might have a sort of ceasefire but no more sadly.

Of course it won't. The population on both sides is just not willing to accept whatever compromises necessary for the other to be satisfied with and especially not the far stronger side that occupies the other's lands that effectively holds the whip hand in allowing things to happen. That's been repeatedly proven by actions not words for all the talk of wanting peace and a sustainable resolution, certainly since Rabin got assassinated anyway.

[M5-911]

isaldiri said:

Of course it won't. The population on both sides is just not willing to accept whatever compromises necessary for the other to be satisfied with and especially not the far stronger side that occupies the other's lands that effectively holds the whip hand in allowing things to happen. That's been repeatedly proven by actions not words for all the talk of wanting peace and a sustainable resolution, certainly since Rabin got assassinated anyway.

Peace will always be rejected as the ideology of one is to eradicate jews wherever there are and the others to never give up their promised land (Canaan, Israel today).

[MrJuice]

M5-911 said:

Peace will always be rejected as the ideology of one is to eradicate jews wherever there are and the others to never give up their promised land (Canaan, Israel today).

I wonder if mods will delete this clearly defamatory nonsense

[M5-911]

MrJuice said:

I wonder if mods will delete this clearly defamatory nonsense

Please point where is your defamatory nonsense and back it up .

[M5-911]

MrJuice said:

I wonder if mods will delete this clearly defamatory nonsense

You might need to read the Hadiths that the Hamas followers follow closely before making assumptions.

Both sides will never give up. End off.

[Oliver Hardy]

M5-911 said:

MrJuice said:

I wonder if mods will delete this clearly defamatory nonsense

You might need to read the Hadiths that the Hamas followers follow closely before making assumptions.

Both sides will never give up. End off.

Israel will never give up defending the land it has, although it has been willing to give up land acquired following conflicts when it was attacked.

That is not to say the way they have gone about it is brutal, however when dealing with terrorist that hide among civilians, who use hospitals as cover, how do you deal with them?

[JagLover]

More bodies of hostages found, apparently killed on Oct 7th or soon afterwards, making six in the past week.

How many hostages are still alive for Hamas to trade is uncertain.

[M5-911]

Oliver Hardy said:

Israel will never give up defending the land it has, although it has been willing to give up land acquired following conflicts when it was attacked.

That is not to say the way they have gone about it is brutal, however when dealing with terrorist that hide among civilians, who use hospitals as cover, how do you deal with them?

Indeed, how do you deal with a terrorist group? Unfortunately civilians are the collateral damage of this awful conflict.

[s1962a]

International Court of Justice orders Israel to halt Rafah offensive

https://news.sky.com/story/international-court-of-...

Obviously they will probably not comply with this.

[Unreal]

s1962a said:

International Court of Justice orders Israel to halt Rafah offensive

https://news.sky.com/story/international-court-of-...

Obviously they will probably not comply with this.

Who does?

https://www.state.gov/welcoming-the-international-...

[NRS]

Oliver Hardy said:

M5-911 said:

MrJuice said:

I wonder if mods will delete this clearly defamatory nonsense

You might need to read the Hadiths that the Hamas followers follow closely before making assumptions.

Both sides will never give up. End off.

Israel will never give up defending the land it has, although it has been willing to give up land acquired following conflicts when it was attacked.

That is not to say the way they have gone about it is brutal, however when dealing with terrorist that hide among civilians, who use hospitals as cover, how do you deal with them?

When the other side keeps blowing up your kids as collateral damage how do you deal with that? You don’t stop terrorists by blowing people and houses up creating more terrorists you need to kill later, and repeating again and again. You also don’t fund money to the extremists if you want peace either.

[Wills2]

MrJuice said:

M5-911 said:

Peace will always be rejected as the ideology of one is to eradicate jews wherever there are and the others to never give up their promised land (Canaan, Israel today).

I wonder if mods will delete this clearly defamatory nonsense

I think the last 70+ years proves it's the truth rather than nonsense, those that do want peace on both sides are drowned out by the powers that don't, many have tried and failed and there is a reason for that.