Rape Gang - How'd they get away with it for so long?
Discussion
airportparking said:
Because the response is just as laughable, that's why, is it white culture is it Asian culture? No it's not, it's just pervs, yet as it suits so many agendas, lets carry on blaming Islam, brown guys, ethnics, immigrants etc etc, carry on, but it's just as ridiculous isn't it?
Whilst I agree in some ways. I think the racial angle would be downplayed if the victims ethnicity weren't exclusively white. Additionally whilst obviously all abuse is abhorrent. There is something here in terms of the brutal and degrading treatment and "gang" aspect of this crimes which is an additional cause of deep unease. One person committing crimes alone is somewhat different from a large group acting in a concerted way over a peiod of time, and selling their victims repeatedly. That is quite a different undertaking.
Essentially whilst I agree all cultures have a small segment capable of abusive crimes, the racial angle is always going to cause unease because the victims (so far) have been exclusively white.
airportparking said:
And what to the "white guys" say in "white countries " about "white girls"?
Get out much on a Saturday night do you ? Double standards aye
Yup, and I've yet to meet a white bloke that thinks gang rape is acceptable. I've not got double standards, I'm just saying it as it is.Get out much on a Saturday night do you ? Double standards aye
Have you ever been to a muslim country?
airportparking said:
Oh really? So why didn't anyone report the 1970's pervs? Much more people knew about it, more important people knew about it?
Why are you assuming family and friends of this group knew about it? Any proof? Was it covered up by the local mosque was it?
I am not going to comment on prevailing attitudes towards Women in the 1970s. 40 Years ago. Why are you assuming family and friends of this group knew about it? Any proof? Was it covered up by the local mosque was it?
I think we are in a very different place now in relation to attitudes around this topic. Hence why it has become so much more openly discussed and widely reported.
airportparking said:
Oh really? So why didn't anyone report the 1970's pervs? Much more people knew about it, more important people knew about it?
Why are you assuming family and friends of this group knew about it? Any proof? Was it covered up by the local mosque was it?
Simple question. Why are you assuming family and friends of this group knew about it? Any proof? Was it covered up by the local mosque was it?
What the juddering f
k does that have to do with anything? It's purely and simply deflecting from the subject at hand. Which makes you, I'm afraid, an apologist.
Have a look at any of the Savile threads - not one post trying to lessen his crimes on the basis that other people rape as well.
airportparking said:
What the hell are you talking about you deluded fool, check the stats for sex crimes and you will see its not Asians over represented it "whites" dominating, does that make being a perv a British white boys problem?
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/the-epidemic-of-sexual-harassment-and-rape-in-morsis-egypt/Any comments?
airportparking said:
Why are you assuming family and friends of this group knew about it? Any proof? Was it covered up by the local mosque was it?
Their friends did know about it, they were there as well! I can't believe that everyone who they invited to a sex party with a drugged girl said yes. So by definition some of their friends must have been asked and declined.
Again across all the perpetrators I cannot belive no-one, not a wife or a brother of one of these guys knew what was happening.
airportparking said:
What the hell are you talking about you deluded fool, check the stats for sex crimes and you will see its not Asians over represented it "whites" dominating, does that make being a perv a British white boys problem?
Sorry, you are incorrect. This, from the famously right wing racist hate sheet, the Guardian:
Guardian said:
At present, the closest we have to a national estimate comes from CEOP's 2011 scoping study into "localised grooming", roughly synonymous with on-street grooming. Response rates to the researchers request for data from police, children's services and the third sector, were low. Based on these patchy data, CEOP suggest there are over 2,000 "potential offenders" in the UK. Most of these, however, will never have been formally identified, let alone arrested, charged or prosecuted. Ethnicity data were available for just one-third. Of these, 49% were white and 46% Asian: the proportion of Pakistani Asians remains unknown. However, in a country where Asians constitute 7% of the general population, this is a striking figure.
We believe that there are two main profiles of the on-street groomer. First, we have the white offenders, who typically offend alone. So far, nothing new: the lone white male is the norm for UK child sex offences. Second, however, there are Asian offenders, many of whom are of Pakistani origin. They seem much more likely to offend in groups, lending their abuse a curiously social dimension. In our research, which focuses on large offending groups, we analysed police data from five major on-street grooming investigations. Of the 52 suspects charged, 83% were Asian Pakistani, 11% Asian other and 6% white British. These are shocking statistics and the over-representation of Asian offenders within this dataset certainly merits attention. There may be important factors that explain why the bigger networks have been largely Asian. Nonetheless, it is crucial to remember that these cases do not paint a full picture of this crime. If on-street grooming continues to be reduced to the big Asian networks alone, a whole host of other offenders will get overlooked.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/may/08/asian-sex-gangs-on-street-groomingWe believe that there are two main profiles of the on-street groomer. First, we have the white offenders, who typically offend alone. So far, nothing new: the lone white male is the norm for UK child sex offences. Second, however, there are Asian offenders, many of whom are of Pakistani origin. They seem much more likely to offend in groups, lending their abuse a curiously social dimension. In our research, which focuses on large offending groups, we analysed police data from five major on-street grooming investigations. Of the 52 suspects charged, 83% were Asian Pakistani, 11% Asian other and 6% white British. These are shocking statistics and the over-representation of Asian offenders within this dataset certainly merits attention. There may be important factors that explain why the bigger networks have been largely Asian. Nonetheless, it is crucial to remember that these cases do not paint a full picture of this crime. If on-street grooming continues to be reduced to the big Asian networks alone, a whole host of other offenders will get overlooked.
So the response for the police and child services was low, and you are relying oh these fact as a basis? Laughable Here's a fact too
The fact that only five out of a random sample of 269 Crown Court cases (certainly more thorough and extensive than the 17 examined by The Times) of grooming involved Asian men* is also conveniently ignored.
The fact that only five out of a random sample of 269 Crown Court cases (certainly more thorough and extensive than the 17 examined by The Times) of grooming involved Asian men* is also conveniently ignored.
airportparking said:
What the hell are you talking about you deluded fool, check the stats for sex crimes and you will see its not Asians over represented it "whites" dominating, does that make being a perv a British white boys problem?
Except this is not true.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18004153
From the stats on that page, "Asian" men commit 28% of the offences.
From this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_England...
We see that (in total) "Asians" make up around 7.8% of the population.
So in actual fact "Asians" are MASSIVELY OVERREPRESENTED in the stats - they are three times more likely to be caught and prosecuted.
It's not just a river in Egypt you know...
Gargamel said:
airportparking said:
Why are you assuming family and friends of this group knew about it? Any proof? Was it covered up by the local mosque was it?
Their friends did know about it, they were there as well! I can't believe that everyone who they invited to a sex party with a drugged girl said yes. So by definition some of their friends must have been asked and declined.
Again across all the perpetrators I cannot belive no-one, not a wife or a brother of one of these guys knew what was happening.
What about the American guy who kept 3 girls in his basement for 10 years, how did no one know about that?
Now can you see what I'm getting at ? Lol!
airportparking said:
Did the wider audience of the 1970's pervs not know?
What about the American guy who kept 3 girls in his basement for 10 years, how did no one know about that?
Now can you see what I'm getting at ? Lol!
What part of crime committed by one person What about the American guy who kept 3 girls in his basement for 10 years, how did no one know about that?
Now can you see what I'm getting at ? Lol!
versus
Crimes committed as a GROUP are you not getting.
It is clear that people around JS knew things weren't right, hence the instructions not to leave him alone in the studio with young girls. I am NOT denying it. I think the US example is different, because clearly they didn't know, See the clip from the next door neighbour, or even the guys Daughter !
Your argument is ridiculous, I am not making a racial point, I am saying in 2013 we have a very different attitude towards this stuff. At least amongst most people. But apparently not you.
Are you suggesting the Pakistani and Asian men aren't statistically over represented in the particular crime of street grooming ?
BliarOut said:
airportparking said:
Because the response is just as laughable, that's why, is it white culture is it Asian culture? No it's not, it's just pervs, yet as it suits so many agendas, lets carry on blaming Islam, brown guys, ethnics, immigrants etc etc, carry on, but it's just as ridiculous isn't it?
Nope, go to a muslim country and speak to the people, the attitude is "white girls are up for it"....and the attitude of uk police and social services towards troubled low class white teenage girls has been?
Steady on Tonks
I'd be quite happy to see some the Heads, Director and Chief Execs of Childrens Services in Oxford getting the boot.
Wetter than a haddocks bathing costume.
So quick to rush in a remove children into care, totally unable to protect them from ALL kinds of horrible things when they get them. Some of the decision making, failures to act and inability to do anything meanigful other than get another year closer to retirement is beyond parody.
I would say however that Keir Starmer the DPP really impressed me last night. He looks like the sort of chap we need in the top jobs, not that dozy mare from Oxford County Council.
I'd be quite happy to see some the Heads, Director and Chief Execs of Childrens Services in Oxford getting the boot.
Wetter than a haddocks bathing costume.
So quick to rush in a remove children into care, totally unable to protect them from ALL kinds of horrible things when they get them. Some of the decision making, failures to act and inability to do anything meanigful other than get another year closer to retirement is beyond parody.
I would say however that Keir Starmer the DPP really impressed me last night. He looks like the sort of chap we need in the top jobs, not that dozy mare from Oxford County Council.
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