Give us a fracking break!

[don4l]

zygalski said:

gruffalo said:

zygalski said:

Going well in Pennsylvania.
Only 243 cases of water contamination in that state from 2008-2014.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/8/29/1325694/-P...

I think you missed out the word "claimed".

Just on question in relation to that photo which I believe has been proved a fake, how does the gas get into a pipe?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LBjSXWQRV8

Lady claims methane content has increased from .01mg/ltr (fracking company test results) to a max of 64mg/ltr in the following years.

Edited by zygalski on Friday 7th October 07:12

How many people in the UK get their water from springs?

How many of these people are near a fracking site where the fracking will take place at less than 6,000 feet down?

The answer is zero.

Leftie bedwetting!

[Roy Lime]

Sway said:

Indeed. One must remember also the rules around fracking on mainland UK and the North Sea are considerably more stringent than in the US...

To compare US operations and those proposed here is to treat the Republicans and the Conservatives as the same party.

Spot on. There appears to be much more of a 'Wild West'approach to fracking in the USA. There is always going to be risk in any form of energy production but over here it will (rightly) be managed to the nth degree.

[snuffy]

don4l said:

How many people in the UK get their water from springs?

How many of these people are near a fracking site where the fracking will take place at less than 6,000 feet down?

The answer is zero.

Leftie bedwetting!

The flames out of the taps in the US argument always cracks me up. It's used in the UK as an anti-fracking argument, but surely people in the UK has grasped that some places in the US don't have mains water and get it from boreholes ? But we don't do that in the UK, so it does not apply. These people must understand that ?

[Oakey]

snuffy said:

The flames out of the taps in the US argument always cracks me up. It's used in the UK as an anti-fracking argument, but surely people in the UK has grasped that some places in the US don't have mains water and get it from boreholes ? But we don't do that in the UK, so it does not apply. These people must understand that ?

Of course they don't. If water pollution was their concern they'd know the biggest polluter of our waterways is from the agricultural industry but they aren't calling for a ban on farming. We just had an incident here on the Fylde last year where our water supply actually was contaminated for weeks yet where's their outrage that United Utilities haven't divulged the source of contamination (allegedly it was animal effluent)?

[snuffy]

Oakey said:

snuffy said:

The flames out of the taps in the US argument always cracks me up. It's used in the UK as an anti-fracking argument, but surely people in the UK has grasped that some places in the US don't have mains water and get it from boreholes ? But we don't do that in the UK, so it does not apply. These people must understand that ?

Of course they don't.

I think they privately understand it, but publicly choose not to.

[FredClogs]

Roy Lime said:

Spot on. There appears to be much more of a 'Wild West'approach to fracking in the USA. There is always going to be risk in any form of energy production but over here it will (rightly) be managed to the nth degree.

I think that's a poor assumption and a rather prejudiced one too. Cuadrilla (the American corporations involved in the fylde sites) has already shown a fairly scant regard for legitimate concerns so far.

Their record of drilling for Bowland shale stands at.

3 sites secured, 1 site fracked, 1 earth quake caused, 1 well casing fractured.

That's taken about 7 years and hundreds of £millions.

Edited by FredClogs on Friday 7th October 10:12

[Oakey]

Not sure why people are concerned about the quakes, it livens the area up

Besides, we had quakes prior to any fracking, Feb 2008 for example.

[Roy Lime]

FredClogs said:

I think that's a poor assumption and a rather prejudiced one too.

You're entitled to your point of view.

[turbobloke]

Roy Lime said:

FredClogs said:

I think that's a poor assumption and a rather prejudiced one too.

You're entitled to your point of view.

Indeed, a view which may well be prejudiced.

[nikaiyo2]

Blackpuddin said:

I would love to know how many of those on this thread who think fracking rigs look fine and present no threat to the environment are actually in the areas licensed for fracking.

My mum lives in a picture post card village just outside Winchester, it really is the "perfect" English village (it was built by an American industrialist in the 19th C to look that way lol) the only house currently for sale in the village proper is £3.95m.

There is oil drilling about 1 mile as the crow flies from that house, they have been drilling at that site for about 15 years, there was huge protests when they started, all the rich old folks did not want a dirty industry close to their ideal village, now I don't think a lot of new comers to the village would know!

[snuffy]

There was a women on NWT yesterday that was complaining that they were proposing to build in an open field a few hundred yards from her house. But between her house and said field was a whacking great main road, complete with constant traffic. But that did not seem to bother her.

[Greg_D]

it's just small minded NIMBYism at it's most concentrate...

[Swervin_Mervin]

FredClogs said:

The A583 from Preston to Blackpool is a main road, single carriage way single lane except for a little bit if 2 lane carriageway at the Kirkham bypass.

Whether or not you think its a busy road will probably depend on the time of day and your own experience of what is busy, for anyone from the SE of England or a major city it would certainly not be classed as a busy road, it certainly does not take many HGVs.

11,500 vehicles a day, on average. So really fairly busy for a single carriageway route.

[jurbie]

Oakey said:

Not sure why people are concerned about the quakes, it livens the area up

Besides, we had quakes prior to any fracking, Feb 2008 for example.

I grew up in a mining town and tremors were a regular thing when I was younger. Indeed there would be real disappointment if you happened to miss a big one.

[HD Adam]

Regarding the flaming bath taps scenario, in a lot of cases, methane occurs at some very shallow depths and this has always been an issue with water wells, way before fracking.

One well in Titusville PA had oil & gas found at a depth of 69.5 feet.

I'm not saying that drilling, fracking, water disposal or even mining can't cause problems but you need to sort the wheat from the chaff in these stories.

http://gekengineering.com/Downloads/Free_Downloads...

[Mr GrimNasty]

Yes the earthquake risk (along with all the other supposed dangers) is completely inconsequential, it happens with loads of mining and industrial activities.

It's the cognitive dissonance/hypocrisy I don't get - the antis complain about the tiny impact of a fracking pad, but are happy with the widespread industrialization of the countryside and seascape with windmills. Figures like 700 times as much land have been bandied about.

There are 11 gas wells amongst the windmills here. Click pic. on linked page for full size.

http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2013/7/21/e...

Sacrificed Landscapes



http://notrickszone.com/2016/10/04/top-environment...

The crazy cost of renewables that can't even provide reliable power.

http://joannenova.com.au/2016/10/victorians-will-h...

[Oakey]

Give up, you lost

[snuffy]

BIANCO said:

She was going on that's its was against democracy and that there could be a revolution if it continued.

That sounds like the women on North West Tonight on Thursday night. She was banging on how it was an affront to democracy in the UK. Talk about make yourself look like a tt.

And the other classic one is "our views are being ignored / we are not being listened to". No, they have been listened to, considered, and then dismissed. That's not the same thing. It's like Sturgeon's standard response when the Government tells her she's talking bks: "I'm being bullied". Again, no - you are not. You are being told "no".

[Biker 1]

NIMBYs the lot of them. Well, more like 50:50 with rent-a-mob/idle workshy/rent-a-lefty politician/actor. I recall the protesters around Balcombe not so long ago: the great unwashed, featuring a visit by Caroline Lucas et al causing traffic mayhem & costing us tax payers a fortune in policing. I'm no expert, but I do know some experts in this field, & by all accounts, the benefits far outweigh the risks. I would love to know what Swampy's alternative to fracking is: composting toilets perhaps?? Of course the only real solution is nuclear fusion, but who knows how far off this is to becoming a reality. & what will Swampy & all his friends have to say on that one?

[Sway]

Biker 1 said:

NIMBYs the lot of them. Well, more like 50:50 with rent-a-mob/idle workshy/rent-a-lefty politician/actor. I recall the protesters around Balcombe not so long ago: the great unwashed, featuring a visit by Caroline Lucas et al causing traffic mayhem & costing us tax payers a fortune in policing. I'm no expert, but I do know some experts in this field, & by all accounts, the benefits far outweigh the risks. I would love to know what Swampy's alternative to fracking is: composting toilets perhaps?? Of course the only real solution is nuclear fusion, but who knows how far off this is to becoming a reality. & what will Swampy & all his friends have to say on that one?

To be fair, I'd hugely prefer the Government to be spending big on developing thorium salt reactors and getting them to the table properly within the next 20 years.

In the meantime, frack away, and certainly stop fking things up with windmills and the current near me - solar farms... Sign up on a local farmer's field 'Subsidy Central solar farm - 6% return on investment per annum, buy shares now!'