Taking the knee
Discussion
Murph7355 said:
biggbn said:
Why would you kneel to the Queen? Genuinely interested.
If one is honoured, it's a respectful gesture. A "political thing" 
Also something not done that often.Gestures become a bit thin if overplayed.
DBSV8 said:
taking the knee has no place in sport its a political thing
about time this woke brigade f
ked off
ifv you want to kneel ..kneel , if you want to give the power salut .. go ahead , just dont expect everyone tio agree with your point of view
Can we bin off the national anthem as well then? And minutes silence? about time this woke brigade f
ked off ifv you want to kneel ..kneel , if you want to give the power salut .. go ahead , just dont expect everyone tio agree with your point of view
Southgate, FA and TV pundits are al insisting the gesture of taking the knee is not political, I am really thick because I don't understand if it is not political what is it about, what are they hoping to achieve? Is it aimed at the idiot who is likely to take to twitter telling Mark Rushford that he is a useless so and so for missing a sitter (and why does he care anyway?) because this is likely to have the opposite effect in my view
The argument also goes that the players have the right to take the knee to show their support to the black players, but is that itself not racism and what about these players who are taking the knee because they are obliged to?
And why is this cause so important, far more so than any other, or are we likely to have fotball teams supporting other causes,, maybe the poppy campaign for the armed forces veterans?
The argument also goes that the players have the right to take the knee to show their support to the black players, but is that itself not racism and what about these players who are taking the knee because they are obliged to?
And why is this cause so important, far more so than any other, or are we likely to have fotball teams supporting other causes,, maybe the poppy campaign for the armed forces veterans?
Armchair Expert said:
Southgate, FA and TV pundits are al insisting the gesture of taking the knee is not political, I am really thick because I don't understand if it is not political what is it about, what are they hoping to achieve? Is it aimed at the idiot who is likely to take to twitter telling Mark Rushford that he is a useless so and so for missing a sitter (and why does he care anyway?) because this is likely to have the opposite effect in my view
The argument also goes that the players have the right to take the knee to show their support to the black players, but is that itself not racism and what about these players who are taking the knee because they are obliged to?
And why is this cause so important, far more so than any other, or are we likely to have fotball teams supporting other causes,, maybe the poppy campaign for the armed forces veterans?
I believe it is not political but aimed at the idiots on social media and in the stands that racially abuse players.The argument also goes that the players have the right to take the knee to show their support to the black players, but is that itself not racism and what about these players who are taking the knee because they are obliged to?
And why is this cause so important, far more so than any other, or are we likely to have fotball teams supporting other causes,, maybe the poppy campaign for the armed forces veterans?
It is done to "highlight racial inequality and discrimination".
If the idiots stopped the racist tweets and the racist comments from the stands there would be no need for it.
aston80 said:
tangerine_sedge said:
Supercilious Sid said:
markcoznottz said:
‘The abolition of capitalism, the defunding of the police, the destruction of the family as the primary non-State societal institution, and the overthrow of white supremacist patriarchy’ Nice fluffy movement then.
That's just centrist to some on this thread.That's actually hilarious.
Edited by aston80 on Monday 14th June 02:23
What's actually hilarious was you getting busted on the Spanish F1 thread :
garyhun said:
brxt80 said:
TheDeuce said:
aston80 said:
TheDeuce said:
Two things are weird:
1) how often people complain F1 isn't like other motorsport series that exist separately.
2) these people seem more likely to watch F1 than the other series that offer exactly what they say they want.
If F1 needs fixing by becoming like other series, how come it's the most popular motorsport in the world? Maybe because so many people that don't like it watch it anyway
Your argument is flawed. Monaco is the most popular race. Is it the best? Nope1) how often people complain F1 isn't like other motorsport series that exist separately.
2) these people seem more likely to watch F1 than the other series that offer exactly what they say they want.
If F1 needs fixing by becoming like other series, how come it's the most popular motorsport in the world? Maybe because so many people that don't like it watch it anyway
Same for F1. Either accept it for what it is or go find something you prefer. It's the same process as selecting a life partner or deciding who to vote for, only it's even easier to decide which motorsport you want to watch - I've honestly no idea how so many users of the F1 forum find themselves hopelessly fascinated by a sport they don't like.
The fact there's now a budget cap, sprint races and upcoming regulations to assist overtaking effectively proves I'm right.
When it's easy to predict the results of every race (give/take a couple of places) something is seriously wrong. Hamilton, Bottas and Verstappen have an insane record for the most appearances on the podium together. We're 3 races in and the driver's championship is already down to 2 drivers from 20.
I really want to enjoy F1 races and see great action. I'm hoping the 2022 regulations will provide this. For now I have to settle for Hamilton vs Verstappen and hope Red Bull can compete.
Evanivitch said:
DBSV8 said:
taking the knee has no place in sport its a political thing
about time this woke brigade fked off
ifv you want to kneel ..kneel , if you want to give the power salut .. go ahead , just dont expect everyone tio agree with your point of view
Can we bin off the national anthem as well then? And minutes silence? about time this woke brigade f
ked off ifv you want to kneel ..kneel , if you want to give the power salut .. go ahead , just dont expect everyone tio agree with your point of view
I do wonder if it would be better if the England players came up with their own sign against racism, which everyone would support.
It was very obvious that the clapping drowning out the booing yesterday was played over the speakers, so there is clearly a problem that needs to be fixed.
jimPH said:
biggbn said:
jimPH said:
There you go again. The discussion itself is causing racism where it doesn't exist.
The gesture is synonymous with BLM. Maybe they can use it in 10 years time when BLM is nothing but a memory, but today, right now, its BLM, just as it has been since they started.
Only person I kneel to is my wife and the queen. (and its not because my wife is black)
It doesn't matter anyway, they'll stop when all the supporters are back in, eventually. If you want support to tackle an issue, you need something people can buy into.
Kneeling isn't working.
Why would you kneel to the Queen? Genuinely interested. The gesture is synonymous with BLM. Maybe they can use it in 10 years time when BLM is nothing but a memory, but today, right now, its BLM, just as it has been since they started.
Only person I kneel to is my wife and the queen. (and its not because my wife is black)
It doesn't matter anyway, they'll stop when all the supporters are back in, eventually. If you want support to tackle an issue, you need something people can buy into.
Kneeling isn't working.
https://www.royal.uk/investitures
If I don't get one, I won't have to do it. Seems like a good deal.
loafer123 said:
I do wonder if it would be better if the England players came up with their own sign against racism, which everyone would support.
It was very obvious that the clapping drowning out the booing yesterday was played over the speakers, so there is clearly a problem that needs to be fixed.
Yes. And it's not the players taking the knee. It was very obvious that the clapping drowning out the booing yesterday was played over the speakers, so there is clearly a problem that needs to be fixed.
loafer123 said:
I do wonder if it would be better if the England players came up with their own sign against racism, which everyone would support.
It was very obvious that the clapping drowning out the booing yesterday was played over the speakers, so there is clearly a problem that needs to be fixed.
The reporter on GB News speaking now from Wembley hasn't mentioned that. He's just said that the clapping drowned out the booing and didn't mention it being fake. He also said he thinks most fans are behind the players decision. It was very obvious that the clapping drowning out the booing yesterday was played over the speakers, so there is clearly a problem that needs to be fixed.
I find the whole thing to be a bit pointless, it’s the very definition of virtual signaling.
It’s not going to change the mindset of a racist person. If football really wanted to combat racism the FA and FIFA would have zero tolerance to any racist activity. And I really mean zero tolerance and effective penalties like life bans, massive fines and bans for clubs that tolerate it etc
It’s not going to change the mindset of a racist person. If football really wanted to combat racism the FA and FIFA would have zero tolerance to any racist activity. And I really mean zero tolerance and effective penalties like life bans, massive fines and bans for clubs that tolerate it etc
Fundoreen said:
Now ***** patel has said its ok to boo im more behind the players than before.
How nice to hear that the Government is behind the English football team. You couldn't make it up. (And yes I do appreciate that it's not the British football team.) Edited by roops.mod on Monday 14th June 15:11
TheGuru said:
I find the whole thing to be a bit pointless, it’s the very definition of virtual signaling.
As is a minutes silence?TheGuru said:
It’s not going to change the mindset of a racist person. If football really wanted to combat racism the FA and FIFA would have zero tolerance to any racist activity. And I really mean zero tolerance and effective penalties like life bans, massive fines and bans for clubs that tolerate it etc
They do...But also, it doesn't have to change the mindset of a racist, it has to change the mindset of potential future racists. Wipe out racism in a generation.
Randy Winkman said:
How nice to hear that the Government is behind the English football team. You couldn't make it up. (And yes I do appreciate that it's not the British football team.)
Sacked for lying by one Prime Minister, found to be a bully and backed by another, I think people can make their minds up on how much to trust Patel's judgement.
biggbn said:
jimPH said:
biggbn said:
jimPH said:
There you go again. The discussion itself is causing racism where it doesn't exist.
The gesture is synonymous with BLM. Maybe they can use it in 10 years time when BLM is nothing but a memory, but today, right now, its BLM, just as it has been since they started.
Only person I kneel to is my wife and the queen. (and its not because my wife is black)
It doesn't matter anyway, they'll stop when all the supporters are back in, eventually. If you want support to tackle an issue, you need something people can buy into.
Kneeling isn't working.
Why would you kneel to the Queen? Genuinely interested. The gesture is synonymous with BLM. Maybe they can use it in 10 years time when BLM is nothing but a memory, but today, right now, its BLM, just as it has been since they started.
Only person I kneel to is my wife and the queen. (and its not because my wife is black)
It doesn't matter anyway, they'll stop when all the supporters are back in, eventually. If you want support to tackle an issue, you need something people can buy into.
Kneeling isn't working.
https://www.royal.uk/investitures
If I don't get one, I won't have to do it. Seems like a good deal.
jimPH said:
For every young white chap who is murdered, 24 black chaps will be murdered.
It's a grim number.Anyway this little diversion came about from pointing out how much Rashford has done to help all vulnerable children (imagine the outcry if he'd ran a campaign aimed only at black children) and Mike suggesting he could have chosen on an issue such as absent black fathers.
Either way it's got nothing to do with why someone who is doing nothing to the point they've been made an MBE for their work still receives banana and monkey emojis on a regular basis.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:jimPH said:
For every young white chap who is murdered, 24 black chaps will be murdered.
It's a grim number.Anyway this little diversion came about from pointing out how much Rashford has done to help all vulnerable children (imagine the outcry if he'd ran a campaign aimed only at black children) and Mike suggesting he could have chosen on an issue such as absent black fathers.
Either way it's got nothing to do with why someone who is doing nothing to the point they've been made an MBE for their work still receives banana and monkey emojis on a regular basis.
To say racism and historical systematic racism hasn’t got anything to do with socioeconomics and why certain ethnic groups are in there is naive at best.
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