Trans woman convicted rapist sent to female prison

[RobbieTheTruth]

HM-2 said:

I've already answered your question. I'm not going to again. If you can't read and understand the posts I've made, which are exceptionally clear, then i really don't think you should be posting.

HM-2 said:

Biological women incarcerated in male prisons don't magically become men because the prison service deemed them to be too great a risk to other women.

You even quoted the post in question and said "fair point".
This is fast becoming farcical.

Of course you're not going to.

You said it and it's up there for everyone to read.

You answered the question and did EXACTLY what Sturgeon and both Yousaf did. Admitted that you don't think Bryson is a woman.

[RobbieTheTruth]

Gecko1978 said:

RobbieTheTruth said:

I haven't decided though - that's why I'm asking.

I believe given the choice, you'd prefer to see her in a women's prison?

So why do I think they got it right.

1) they followed the protocol at the time
2) they assessed Bryson
3) they acted on new information (he is a lying piece of st and not trans)
4) they moved him out of seg at cornton to a male jail
5) he was not harmed
6) no other inmates were harmed
7) no prison officers were harmed
8) based on the out cry policy was changed

The prison service got it right and a violent sex offender is in prison what more do you want.

Same as the other guy then.

Bryson isn't a woman, in your opinion?

[Gecko1978]

chrispmartha said:

RobbieTheTruth said:

In Bryson's case, send them to a male prison.

Which is what has happened. So what's your issue?

I was just wondering that lol Bryson is in a male jail with other male sex offenders seems the system works.

In essence it's based on assessment an then allocation.

I felt earlier that sex should play initial determination of your location (in seg) but seg is seg etc however as you are placed their for protection from yourself also I would want to avoid a space being lost to a vulnerable prisoner for someone taking the piss but again I assume risk assessment is done.

Bryson is in right place he is a man pretending to be a trans women. fk him

[anonymous-user]

TonyToniTone said:

Cornton Vale isn't a male prison and this is where they were sent before the u-turn that didn't happen

Keep up at the back, I posted a document outlining the policies and procedures for trans prisoners all the way on page one ; http://www.prisonersadvice.org.uk/wp-content/uploa...

said:

If your legal gender is unknown, the decision on whether you go to the male or female prison estate
will be based on what is referred to in the policy as the ‘best-available evidence’ about your
gender. This means that the prison will decide whether there is sufficient evidence to ‘confirm’
that you have been living in the gender that you identify with.

said:

If your legal gender cannot be determined, the policy allows you to be placed in a supported
environment within a prison, separate from the main prison population until a Local Transgender
Case Board has occurred

Following due process hardly constitutes a "u-turn"

[Gecko1978]

RobbieTheTruth said:

Same as the other guy then.

Bryson isn't a woman, in your opinion?

Bryson is not a women, nore a trans women Bryson was "at it" to quote a prominent SNP MSP.

I will answer perhaps your follow up. Blair White (youtuber) is a trans women, were ahe ever in Scotland an about to go to jail I would think she might be best placed in a women's prison. Blair is a trans women, she is not a biological female and can't become one but my guess is she would be better placed in a women's prison.

[HM-2]

RobbieTheTruth said:

Of course you're not going to.

You said it and it's up there for everyone to read.

Sometimes, when it is judged to be for the wider good of society, the state may infringe on the rights of an individual. Placing a someone who identifies as a woman, but who is biological male, in a male prison because they're judged to represent too much of a threat to biological women to inhabit a women's prison is exactly that. It is not a judgement on whether the person in question "is" female, or should be "treated" as female under most or all other circumstances, it is simply a balancing of individual rights with wider risk to society, of exactly the same kind that the kind that the prison service makes when they house violent female offenders in male prisons (which they do).

Dear lord, I cannot honestly believe I'm explaining Social Contract Theory to a purported adult on a motoring forum. If you somehow still don't understand my point, or continue to think I said what you seem to suggest you do earlier, then I really don't know what further I can do, because you are clearly so lacking in basic cognition as to be completely unable to read and understand the views of others and therefore any kind of further discussion is rendered completely worthless.

[RobbieTheTruth]

Gecko1978 said:

RobbieTheTruth said:

Same as the other guy then.

Bryson isn't a woman, in your opinion?

Bryson is not a women, nore a trans women Bryson was "at it" to quote a prominent SNP MSP.

I will answer perhaps your follow up. Blair White (youtuber) is a trans women, were ahe ever in Scotland an about to go to jail I would think she might be best placed in a women's prison. Blair is a trans women, she is not a biological female and can't become one but my guess is she would be better placed in a women's prison.

[RobbieTheTruth]

RobbieTheTruth said:

Gecko1978 said:

RobbieTheTruth said:

Same as the other guy then.

Bryson isn't a woman, in your opinion?

Bryson is not a women, nore a trans women Bryson was "at it" to quote a prominent SNP MSP.

I will answer perhaps your follow up. Blair White (youtuber) is a trans women, were ahe ever in Scotland an about to go to jail I would think she might be best placed in a women's prison. Blair is a trans women, she is not a biological female and can't become one but my guess is she would be better placed in a women's prison.

Interesting.

And you earlier said about Bryson - "he is a lying sack of st"

Yet the usual suspects on here would strongly argue that is hate speech and misgendering and want to see you charged for such language.

[HM-2]

RobbieTheTruth said:

Yet the usual suspects on here would strongly argue that is hate speech and misgendering and want to see you charged for such language.

Where has anyone said or suggested this? You don't half make up some ridiculous nonsense. Between that and you apparently talking to yourself above, I really think you should probably call it a night and return when you're in better control of your faculties.

[chrispmartha]

RobbieTheTruth said:

Interesting.

And you earlier said about Bryson - "he is a lying sack of st"

Yet the usual suspects on here would strongly argue that is hate speech and misgendering and want to see you charged for such language.

See what I mean about you deciding what other people think, this is why discussing this with you is utterly pointless

[RobbieTheTruth]

HM-2 said:

RobbieTheTruth said:

Yet the usual suspects on here would strongly argue that is hate speech and misgendering and want to see you charged for such language.

Where has anyone said or suggested this? You don't half make up some ridiculous nonsense. Between that and you apparently talking to yourself above, I really think you should probably call it a night and return when you're in better control of your faculties.

Well let's ask them.

Hey ChrispMartha/bhStewie/ZedLeg.

When asked if someone identifying as a female is really female, is it ok to say "no, he's a lying sack of st"?

[gregs656]

RobbieTheTruth said:

Interesting.

And you earlier said about Bryson - "he is a lying sack of st"

Yet the usual suspects on here would strongly argue that is hate speech and misgendering and want to see you charged for such language.

It should be trivially easy for you to find examples of 'the usual suspects' suggesting that on this very long thread then.

[RobbieTheTruth]

gregs656 said:

RobbieTheTruth said:

Interesting.

And you earlier said about Bryson - "he is a lying sack of st"

Yet the usual suspects on here would strongly argue that is hate speech and misgendering and want to see you charged for such language.

It should be trivially easy for you to find examples of 'the usual suspects' suggesting that on this very long thread then.

Well let's just ask them directly here now.

Hint - they won't actually answer.

[chrispmartha]

RobbieTheTruth said:

HM-2 said:

RobbieTheTruth said:

Yet the usual suspects on here would strongly argue that is hate speech and misgendering and want to see you charged for such language.

Where has anyone said or suggested this? You don't half make up some ridiculous nonsense. Between that and you apparently talking to yourself above, I really think you should probably call it a night and return when you're in better control of your faculties.

Well let's ask them.

Hey ChrispMartha/bhStewie/ZedLeg.

When asked if someone identifying as a female is really female, is it ok to say "no, he's a lying sack of st"?

Depends if that ‘someone’ is a lying sack of st.

Either way, who on here has mentioned anyone being charged with anything?

Your making things up in your head again

[anonymous-user]

RobbieTheTruth said:

Well let's ask them.

Hey ChrispMartha/bhStewie/ZedLeg.

When asked if someone identifying as a female is really female, is it ok to say "no, he's a lying sack of st"?

Robbie, genuine question here; Do you call your plumber to ask for opinions about your car? No?

So just why the heck are you putting so much emphasis on the comments and opinions of people that aren't even remotely qualified to make a reasonable judgement?

Your opinion, my opinion, even a SNP leadership candidate's judgement of someone's gender means precisely naff all.

[TonyToniTone]

WorldBoss said:

TonyToniTone said:

Cornton Vale isn't a male prison and this is where they were sent before the u-turn that didn't happen

Keep up at the back, I posted a document outlining the policies and procedures for trans prisoners all the way on page one ; http://www.prisonersadvice.org.uk/wp-content/uploa...

said:

If your legal gender is unknown, the decision on whether you go to the male or female prison estate
will be based on what is referred to in the policy as the ‘best-available evidence’ about your
gender. This means that the prison will decide whether there is sufficient evidence to ‘confirm’
that you have been living in the gender that you identify with.

said:

If your legal gender cannot be determined, the policy allows you to be placed in a supported
environment within a prison, separate from the main prison population until a Local Transgender
Case Board has occurred

Following due process hardly constitutes a "u-turn"

Introduction said:

This guidance is specific to England and Wales. The policy on trans prisoners is different in Scotland.

[RobbieTheTruth]

chrispmartha said:

RobbieTheTruth said:

HM-2 said:

RobbieTheTruth said:

Yet the usual suspects on here would strongly argue that is hate speech and misgendering and want to see you charged for such language.

Where has anyone said or suggested this? You don't half make up some ridiculous nonsense. Between that and you apparently talking to yourself above, I really think you should probably call it a night and return when you're in better control of your faculties.

Well let's ask them.

Hey ChrispMartha/bhStewie/ZedLeg.

When asked if someone identifying as a female is really female, is it ok to say "no, he's a lying sack of st"?

Depends if that ‘someone’ is a lying sack of st.

Either way, who on here has mentioned anyone being charged with anything?

Your making things up in your head again

Which is often going to be opinion based - as Bryson claims they are female.

You're ok with someone identifying and saying they live as a female being deliberately misgendered?

Yes?

No?

Only if they are a rapist?

[chrispmartha]

WorldBoss said:

RobbieTheTruth said:

Well let's ask them.

Hey ChrispMartha/bhStewie/ZedLeg.

When asked if someone identifying as a female is really female, is it ok to say "no, he's a lying sack of st"?

Robbie, genuine question here; Do you call your plumber to ask for opinions about your car? No?

So just why the heck are you putting so much emphasis on the comments and opinions of people that aren't even remotely qualified to make a reasonable judgement?

Your opinion, my opinion, even a SNP leadership candidate's judgement of someone's gender means precisely naff all.

Quite, really not sure why he’s so bothered about what some random people on here think on the subject

[gregs656]

RobbieTheTruth said:

Well let's just ask them directly here now.

Hint - they won't actually answer.

You must be bitterly disappointed you missed this thread when it was actually happening.

[Gecko1978]

RobbieTheTruth said:

HM-2 said:

RobbieTheTruth said:

Yet the usual suspects on here would strongly argue that is hate speech and misgendering and want to see you charged for such language.

Where has anyone said or suggested this? You don't half make up some ridiculous nonsense. Between that and you apparently talking to yourself above, I really think you should probably call it a night and return when you're in better control of your faculties.

Well let's ask them.

Hey ChrispMartha/bhStewie/ZedLeg.

When asked if someone identifying as a female is really female, is it ok to say "no, he's a lying sack of st"?

You can ask that question fairly only if you ask it of Bryson, I call him a he and a lying sack of st because people who know more about the issue and him have said he was "at it".

Blair White who I referred to earlier as she / her etc is she a women no not in the adult human female.sense. is she a trans women 100% does she believe she is female yes but accepts she is different to biological.women.

You can disagree but you don't have to make one judgement.apply to.all other cases