**** boiling Orange Order
Discussion
Mr Dave said:
There is no need to speak Irish anymore, its just part of our heritage and culture but it is not NEEDED for anything. Same as the marching, its not needed and wouldnt stop the world from spinning if it no longer was spoken.
Maybe we should get rid of French as well, most French people speak perfectly good English as well, German? Who needs it? Where do we stop? Do we wait until we are all speaking Chinese?As seems to be the NI way, some of the contributors have managed to turn a discussion about a sectarian parade in Scotland into a discussion on the Irish language, the merits of Catholic education or lack of it, Peter the Punt, Sinn Fein in fact anything but admit that these parades have no place in a modern, civilised society. It seems that Talkback has made its way onto PH. (RIP David Dunseath)
Mr Dave said:
As for riots, well when they put ulster scots (biggest load of nonsense) signs up in was it whiterock, the locals started throwing rocks and bottles at the fellas thinking it was Irish signs being put up...
The signs were erected on some roads around Newtownards. They read something along the lines of "fair fay ye to the Ards" which is apparently Ulster Scots for Welcome to Ards, They were gone within a day. The locals thought they were written as gaeilge. I am sure someone with your knowledge of the Irish language will understand my cúpla focal.
Edited by Thom987 on Wednesday 6th July 11:58
MM said:
You my friend really make me laugh, you have no idea what religion I am, you believe that as don't hold the the same view as you I am some child killing catholic murder.
That all I'm going to say on the subject, as I can see all I am doing is encouraging you. As I have pointed out this thread was a very bad idea and should be lock or deleted.
Is English your first language? That all I'm going to say on the subject, as I can see all I am doing is encouraging you. As I have pointed out this thread was a very bad idea and should be lock or deleted.
Thom987 said:
Mr Dave said:
There is no need to speak Irish anymore, its just part of our heritage and culture but it is not NEEDED for anything. Same as the marching, its not needed and wouldnt stop the world from spinning if it no longer was spoken.
Maybe we should get rid of French as well, most French people speak perfectly good English as well, German? Who needs it? Where do we stop? Do we wait until we are all speaking Chinese?Where did I say it should be banned? Its part of my heritage as an Irishman as much as you like to think me a brit.
Mr Dave said:
As for riots, well when they put ulster scots (biggest load of nonsense) signs up in was it whiterock, the locals started throwing rocks and bottles at the fellas thinking it was Irish signs being put up...
The signs were erected on some roads around Newtonards. They read something along the lines of "fair fay ye to the Ards" which is apparently Ulster Scots for Welcome to Ards, They were gone within a day. The locals thought they were written as gaeilge. I am sure someone with your knowledge of the Irish language will understand my cúpla.
Ulster Scots is a load of balls. Really nothing else annoys me more, its pathetic.
MM said:
I'm actual a product of one of N. Ireland's best schools, a school that prides itself on not asking its pupils their religion, something it fights against the education boards every year and something I am led to believe is illegal in N. Ireland, I will also point out that English is just not my strong point, something I have never hidden.
To be honest I would actual be ashamed to admit I was a product of a N. Ireland catholic education. if anything is slowing the improvement of community relations in N. Ireland its the catholic church and their education system, their refusal to allow non Catholics to attend or teach is producing another generation of people who will have very little contact with the other side as per say.
Just because you don't live in N. Ireland or your are married to a Protestant does not make you any less of a bigot, you can try and justify yourself if you want but what your posted on here was aimed at forcing a very one sided view on people with very little knowledge of the subject, without presenting the other side,
For example you fail to show how a number of people convicted of rioting against some of these marches were from areas over 30 miles away, or how sin fein try there best to get any one convicted of murder into a government office, something protestants find very painful so in turn turn to the only organisation they see that hasn't sold them down the river.
I also have to laugh at you claiming to have moved south to escape organisations involved in stirring the pot, yet you come onto a public forum and do such that.
Any way my point is N. Ireland has been though a lot in the past 40 years, people on both side did a lot of terrible things, it doesn't need people like you or more import anyone else coming on to a public forum and post s
t, I don't really care if it's true or not, that's not the point, the point is it's about time a lot of this st was forgotten about so the people of N. Ireland just go on with there life.
so do the people of N. Ireland, a country you turned your back on and STFU, same goes for the rest of you lot.
Well said that man! Im just sniggering away to myself, reading ignorant peoples views on our wee country. Slating peoples grammar + trying to come across as well informed about the orange order, GAA etc when its blatantly obvious theyve gained their "immense knowledge" through a one-sided press is quite sad, frankly.To be honest I would actual be ashamed to admit I was a product of a N. Ireland catholic education. if anything is slowing the improvement of community relations in N. Ireland its the catholic church and their education system, their refusal to allow non Catholics to attend or teach is producing another generation of people who will have very little contact with the other side as per say.
Just because you don't live in N. Ireland or your are married to a Protestant does not make you any less of a bigot, you can try and justify yourself if you want but what your posted on here was aimed at forcing a very one sided view on people with very little knowledge of the subject, without presenting the other side,
For example you fail to show how a number of people convicted of rioting against some of these marches were from areas over 30 miles away, or how sin fein try there best to get any one convicted of murder into a government office, something protestants find very painful so in turn turn to the only organisation they see that hasn't sold them down the river.
I also have to laugh at you claiming to have moved south to escape organisations involved in stirring the pot, yet you come onto a public forum and do such that.
Any way my point is N. Ireland has been though a lot in the past 40 years, people on both side did a lot of terrible things, it doesn't need people like you or more import anyone else coming on to a public forum and post s
t, I don't really care if it's true or not, that's not the point, the point is it's about time a lot of this st was forgotten about so the people of N. Ireland just go on with there life.so do the people of N. Ireland, a country you turned your back on and STFU, same goes for the rest of you lot.
Thom987 said:
Far from marking out the Orange Order as a bunch of undesirables, you've shown your true colours with that post, you're a nasty little bigot who idolises murderers and those who would seek to drag NI back to the troubles. Take a look at the news, who was at the root of the destruction in Belfast last night? It wasn't the Orange or anyone associated with Unionism, quite the opposite, it was the Republican community. It always has been, silly little idealistic kids with their romantic cause. Nonsense.
Why did you feel the need to post that? What did you think it would show or prove?
The orangemen kept to their side of the bargain by NOT playing instruments , just walking past silently. But, as usual the residents came a mile out of their area to be offended. They are now having their annual wreck their own area/fight the PSNI spree. I live 5 miles from Ardoyne and believe me no matter what is suggested , the local thugs will find something to "rebel" against. Hopefully the pictures on the national news say more than words to the watching mainland and even the decent people of the Republic of Ireland
daphantom said:
Thom987 said:
To those who are trying to blame the "other" side for the trouble at the moment, have a long hard word with yourselves. You're all just as bad as each other and should be ashamed.
Honestly, it's like discussing string theory with retarded chimps. They might nod their heads, but all they're thinking about is flinging poo.
IforB said:
This not dissident, not in the slightest bit republican doesn't completely agree with it, but can't argue with the sentiment either.
To those who are trying to blame the "other" side for the trouble at the moment, have a long hard word with yourselves. You're all just as bad as each other and should be ashamed.
Honestly, it's like discussing string theory with retarded chimps. They might nod their heads, but all they're thinking about is flinging poo.
Dont need to blame anyone. As i said earlier , i would imagine the news pictures will say enough. As for the retarded chimps quote -why are you even commenting on the topic then? Its like me commenting on race/gang wars in London - i know very little about it so, i dont feel its my place to comment. But you on the other hand...................To those who are trying to blame the "other" side for the trouble at the moment, have a long hard word with yourselves. You're all just as bad as each other and should be ashamed.
Honestly, it's like discussing string theory with retarded chimps. They might nod their heads, but all they're thinking about is flinging poo.
daphantom said:
IforB said:
This not dissident, not in the slightest bit republican doesn't completely agree with it, but can't argue with the sentiment either.
To those who are trying to blame the "other" side for the trouble at the moment, have a long hard word with yourselves. You're all just as bad as each other and should be ashamed.
Honestly, it's like discussing string theory with retarded chimps. They might nod their heads, but all they're thinking about is flinging poo.
Dont need to blame anyone. As i said earlier , i would imagine the news pictures will say enough. As for the retarded chimps quote -why are you even commenting on the topic then? Its like me commenting on race/gang wars in London - i know very little about it so, i dont feel its my place to comment. But you on the other hand...................To those who are trying to blame the "other" side for the trouble at the moment, have a long hard word with yourselves. You're all just as bad as each other and should be ashamed.
Honestly, it's like discussing string theory with retarded chimps. They might nod their heads, but all they're thinking about is flinging poo.
daphantom said:
The orangemen kept to their side of the bargain by NOT playing instruments , just walking past silently. But, as usual the residents came a mile out of their area to be offended. They are now having their annual wreck their own area/fight the PSNI spree. I live 5 miles from Ardoyne and believe me no matter what is suggested , the local thugs will find something to "rebel" against. Hopefully the pictures on the national news say more than words to the watching mainland and even the decent people of the Republic of Ireland
Take away the catalyst and reactions don't happen (or if they do, they're less violent)Do you not understand that ALL sides have atheir part to play in this, not just the thugs and idiots?
Put your hands over your ears and say "lalalalala it's not my fault" when I'm afraid, by not condemning the marching, then you are contributing to the problem.
Where I live is irrelevant (however, I spend a lot of time over there). The fact that you live there doesn't make you any more qualified than anyone else.
I don't give a monkeys about petty squabbles, which is what this "conflict" is basically all about now. It's pathetic and to be honest at this moment in time, I wouldn't be that bothered if N.I was cast adrift from the rest og the UK. I don't want my country to be associated with hatred and stupidity and there's a big chunk that seems to think it's acceptable, so if csomeone can find a way of surgically removing N.I and large parts of Glasgow, I'd be very grateful.
As I said before, there are a lot of people in N.I and Scotland who need to grow up and stop acting like children.
"They started it" "No, They did by marching" "no they did..." Pathetic. Fix the problem and move forwards. That might mean that Orangemen don't march. That's a small price to pay and everyone has to give something up when resolving any kind of dispute or argument. Let alone one that's lasted as long as this one.
Like I said. Monkeys and poo flinging. That's all this is.
I just don't get it. Ban the bloody marches. What other group of people marches through another faction's areas banging on about a battle that took place 320 odd years before?
Especially when said battle is celebrated as being a celebration of being British.
The guy who won was Dutch and led a group of Danish, French and Dutch soldiers and who didn't trust the English soldiers he had brought with him.
Especially when said battle is celebrated as being a celebration of being British.
The guy who won was Dutch and led a group of Danish, French and Dutch soldiers and who didn't trust the English soldiers he had brought with him.
James highly fancied to make a long awaited breakthrough.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff