Boris taking a kicking on Andrew Marr show.

Boris taking a kicking on Andrew Marr show.

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Halb

53,012 posts

185 months

Monday 25th March 2013
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MarshPhantom said:
All this controversy and the documentary hasn't been aired yet.

The Rise and Fall of Boris Johnson can be seen tonight at 9.00 on BBC2.
Ta! Plussed!

AnonSpoilSport

12,955 posts

178 months

Monday 25th March 2013
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Just watching it now and suspect Boris didn't need Eddie Mair to do for him. Oh dear, oh dear!

Not that a lot of this is new, but his shamelessness is going to rankle with many, no doubt.

Gene Vincent

4,002 posts

160 months

Monday 25th March 2013
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I am slightly bemused that the fraudster Conrad Black and I hold the same or almost the same view about the Johnson creature.

I didn't realise he was that astute, or perhaps a bad egg recognises another and he didn't so much need astuteness as much as simply needing a pair of eyes to see.

A sinister teddy-bear remains my opinion and I'm not alone in putting voice to the thought.

turbobloke

104,434 posts

262 months

Monday 25th March 2013
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AnonSpoilSport said:
Just watching it now and suspect Boris didn't need Eddie Mair to do for him. Oh dear, oh dear!

Not that a lot of this is new, but his shamelessness is going to rankle with many, no doubt.
Just a thought, apart from PHers and Labour voters who watches political programmes on BBC2 at 9pm?

Gene Vincent

4,002 posts

160 months

Monday 25th March 2013
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turbobloke said:
AnonSpoilSport said:
Just watching it now and suspect Boris didn't need Eddie Mair to do for him. Oh dear, oh dear!

Not that a lot of this is new, but his shamelessness is going to rankle with many, no doubt.
Just a thought, apart from PHers and Labour voters who watches political programmes on BBC2 at 9pm?
I would guess the audience, the right one, will have seen the Mair interview and eagerly anticipated this program and it will be kicking around for years, it might just do the Johnson creatures legs... we can but hope.

Caulkhead

4,938 posts

159 months

Monday 25th March 2013
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turbobloke said:
AnonSpoilSport said:
Just watching it now and suspect Boris didn't need Eddie Mair to do for him. Oh dear, oh dear!

Not that a lot of this is new, but his shamelessness is going to rankle with many, no doubt.
Just a thought, apart from PHers and Labour voters who watches political programmes on BBC2 at 9pm?
More importantly, who would expect a BBC documentary on Boris to be anything other than a hatchet job. . . . . .

AnonSpoilSport

12,955 posts

178 months

Monday 25th March 2013
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turbobloke said:
AnonSpoilSport said:
Just watching it now and suspect Boris didn't need Eddie Mair to do for him. Oh dear, oh dear!

Not that a lot of this is new, but his shamelessness is going to rankle with many, no doubt.
Just a thought, apart from PHers and Labour voters who watches political programmes on BBC2 at 9pm?
I did think that as I watched. Yesterday's Mair interview got column inches in the sections/places read/listened to by the minority who are interested in politics but how many of the general public will even have noticed. The Andrew Marr Show gets about 3 1/2 viewers doesn't it? That's 3 1/2, not million, or even thousand! So we he might have got away with it!

daveydave7

1,622 posts

145 months

Monday 25th March 2013
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I watched it I personally thought he came across fine no better or worse than many other politicians, no doubt I will be slated for that by the more "intelligent" members, one thing about him physically he seems timeless whereas Cameron DID look 10 years older.

AnonSpoilSport

12,955 posts

178 months

Monday 25th March 2013
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Gene Vincent said:
If you know the 'history' of those two you will know what the statement meant... Mair tore Pestons ahse out of his pants a while ago and Peston is very wary of Mair.

Peston was making a joke about how Mair can turn in a trice from humour to shattering exposure.
I do, in fact heard the slot when Peston made his slightly uncomfortable, wary, return back to PM with Eddie subtly taunting and patronising his erstwhile 'friend'.

I like Mair and his interviews but think he did get too personal and 'close' in that interview. It's one thing insisting an interviewee answers the question and pointing/mocking when they don't, and suggesting why they wouldn't want to, but that was a bit off.


brenflys777

2,678 posts

179 months

Monday 25th March 2013
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On the other hand... Johnson turned up. Lots of these profile shows don't have the subject in them because they refuse to take part substantively. Boris must have known that he would get a hard time and he still showed up. Considering so many people on the show exhibited begrudging admiration for the man's political savvy, why would he do that?

My own theory is that he has now dealt with the bad press before his next political move. He has left less room for his opponents to utilise in attack, when they re-hash accusations aired on this show, its all old news.

Two contributors stood out for me. The first was Ken Livingstone painting the fact that Boris tried to mend fences after their radio debate as a sign of weakness, whilst I saw this as a sign of someone more mature and more pragmatic.

The second was the journalist doing the show taking the quote about Boris finger on the trigger from his old PR man and presenting it to Boris without the context of his qualification which followed. He was fishing for a reaction and it seemed no different to the way he described Boris journalistic tendencies to sail into the wind.

I wouldn't want him to date my sister, but, aside from the fact he has the often lamented male affliction of two brains and only enough blood supply for one, I thought he came across as someone worth having in politics, or even number 10.

Gene Vincent

4,002 posts

160 months

Tuesday 26th March 2013
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It seems to me that those who know him best wouldn't trust him with any real power and that is about as severe a condemnation as any person can take considering the creatures ambition.

But he is resilient and it will take a few more hatchet jobs to finally do him, which will be a joy to watch for some of us.

Go Boris go... just go... smile

turbobloke

104,434 posts

262 months

Tuesday 26th March 2013
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Gene Vincent said:
It seems to me that those who know him best wouldn't trust him with any real power and that is about as severe a condemnation as any person can take considering the creatures ambition.

But he is resilient and it will take a few more hatchet jobs to finally do him, which will be a joy to watch for some of us.

Go Boris go... just go... smile
Wishful thinking there GV.

williamp

19,310 posts

275 months

Tuesday 26th March 2013
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Even the today programme on radio 4 yesterdya ran an "advert" for it, so goodness knows what they'll say today

Gene Vincent

4,002 posts

160 months

Tuesday 26th March 2013
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turbobloke said:
Gene Vincent said:
It seems to me that those who know him best wouldn't trust him with any real power and that is about as severe a condemnation as any person can take considering the creatures ambition.

But he is resilient and it will take a few more hatchet jobs to finally do him, which will be a joy to watch for some of us.

Go Boris go... just go... smile
Wishful thinking there GV.
Yeah... it's more fun if he stays.

simonrockman

6,872 posts

257 months

Tuesday 26th March 2013
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The documentary is far more damming than the interview. To have his family stitching him up makes uncomfortable viewing. His father saying that he should go up against Cameron, and his sister saying that he doesn't want to be prime minister "He's far more ambitious than that", but against a general atmosphere of party lines and people being scared to say anything it's refreshing to watch.

Full credit to the programme makers for keeping the content from that obnoxious toad Livingston to a minimum.

As ever it will mostly re-enforce the prejudices of those watching.

Simon

Mr Snap

2,364 posts

159 months

Tuesday 26th March 2013
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Daily Telegraph: "It is the function of BBC journalists to bash up polticians, particularly people like me." Mr Johnson told reporters.
He added: "Fair play to Eddie, he landed a good one."

Personally, I wouldn't vote for Boris. But you must admit that he takes his lumps with grace and doesn't call for the BBC to be closed down when they do their job.
I'd now like the BBC do the same with party leaders and those contending for leadership.

Gene Vincent

4,002 posts

160 months

Tuesday 26th March 2013
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The rumour is that Milliband has refused to be interviewed by Mair on a few occasions.

rohrl

8,764 posts

147 months

Tuesday 26th March 2013
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Gene Vincent said:
The rumour is that Milliband has refused to be interviewed by Mair on a few occasions.
I'd like to see Mair interview Miliband because I think he'd get just as hard a time as Boris did, thus causing the righter-than-thou bunch to explode.

Mr Snap

2,364 posts

159 months

Tuesday 26th March 2013
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I was once witness to a friend being interviewed on air, via radio link, by Mair on a personally difficult subject.
I was hugely impressed at how well researched, incisive and yet at the same time sympathetic, Mair was throughout.

wheedler

419 posts

139 months

Tuesday 26th March 2013
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Mr Snap said:
I was once witness to a friend being interviewed on air, via radio link, by Mair on a personally difficult subject.
I was hugely impressed at how well researched, incisive and yet at the same time sympathetic, Mair was throughout.
Burn him

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