Nigella Lawson attacked by husband

[cymtriks]

How sad.

However, just remember that we only have a few pictures of one incident. None of us know what led up to this and it is incredibly naïve (but very common) to assume that the man is the only one to blame.

Guys, trust those of us who tell you that there are some very odd women around.
There are some who genuinely fancy violent men
There are some who genuinely enjoy humiliating men to the point where they lash out
There are some who make a point of telling everyone how it happened lots of times
There are some who will invent accounts to get attention or sympathy
There are some who know very well that the last three points above will make it easier for them to keep everything and leave the man with nothing

Please note that I'm not implying anything about this case, she looked hurt and shocked, she packed, she left. My hunch is that they had a bad day at the end of a bad week at the end of a bad month and that this isn't typical, it's just the sad end to it all.

[jjones]

cymtriks said:

How sad.

However, just remember that we only have a few pictures of one incident. None of us know what led up to this and it is incredibly naïve (but very common) to assume that the man is the only one to blame.

Guys, trust those of us who tell you that there are some very odd women around.
There are some who genuinely fancy violent men
There are some who genuinely enjoy humiliating men to the point where they lash out
There are some who make a point of telling everyone how it happened lots of times
There are some who will invent accounts to get attention or sympathy
There are some who know very well that the last three points above will make it easier for them to keep everything and leave the man with nothing

Please note that I'm not implying anything about this case, she looked hurt and shocked, she packed, she left. My hunch is that they had a bad day at the end of a bad week at the end of a bad month and that this isn't typical, it's just the sad end to it all.

at what point do you think it is acceptable to grab a women around the throat?

[Bradgate]

Saatchi has admitted assaulting Nigella by accepting a police caution.

Scumbag.

His reputation is completely fked, and it would serve him right if she divorced him and took him to the cleaners. Let's hope so.

Edited by Bradgate on Tuesday 18th June 00:43

[Colonial]

voyds9 said:

When a women stabs and kills a man its often trotted out that she suffered years of emotional abuse (as mitigation).

When a man grabs a women there is no excuse.

Don't you just love sexual equality.

Go crawl back into your cave.

[thehawk]

jjones said:

at what point do you think it is acceptable to grab a women around the throat?

Have you seen the videos of the Chinese girls stomping on various small animals, kittens, puppies etc, with stilettos?

I would have no problem grabbing one of them.

[Rick101]

A few jumping on my statement.

I will clarify to say i'm a huge supporter of not just women, but all people that are disadvantaged. (sick of hearing men should never hit women, surely they shouldn't be hitting anyone!)

However, there are too many occasions people have tried to assist and had it thrown back in their face. I myself have gone to restrain a man heavily beating a woman for the woman to turn on me for attacking her husband.

Just like a drunk or a drug addict, they need to take the first step and help themselves before anyone else can help them.

[PugwasHDJ80]

Lost for words by some of the posters on this thread- Voyds9, Rick101 etc

Putting your hand around anyones throat is incredibly intimidating- its the threat of cutting off someone air supply and choking them and ultimately killing them. Imagine one of your mates doing it to you? For a man on a woman, with the respective strength differences, the man can easily kill the woman with that hold and she can't do anything about it.

And as for some of the comments about domestic abuse- go back and read what you wrote. Either you will feel shame, or justified- if the latter then you need to consider your approach to women. One of my closest friends married a girl who had suffered years of abuse- she is strong, ferociously intelligent, musically brilliant, and absolutely beautiful, private school education, now an extremely highly paid and respected leader in her professional field. She is one of the strongest characters I've ever met, but couldn't get away from her abuser. We had to take drastic action to solve it.

[Rick101]

Well, I speak my mind and I stand by what I say.

Those that want to be helped, should have all the help available.

Those that defend their attacker and attack those trying to help them will likely prolong their situation.

[Transmat]

Rick101 said:

Well, I speak my mind and I stand by what I say.

Those that want to be helped, should have all the help available.

Those that defend their attacker and attack those trying to help them will likely prolong their situation.

Yes or no would you ever strangle a girl (or your current partner)?

[Rick101]

WTF?? Of course not! I wouldn't assault anybody without good reason, male or female.

Where did you get that indication from???? Hell of an accusation. What about you? Would you? Yes or no.



p.s I've strangled many willing people in practice up to black belt, but never in anger!

[Rick101]

Transmat,

You've managed to wind me up quite successfully with that post, I'm sat here, late, waiting for a reply!
I'll take a min and hope that you are just trolling and trying to make me bite.
Quite a ridiculous post and suitably ignored.

Ciao

Off to strangle the neighbours cat....

[PugwasHDJ80]

Rick101 said:

Well, I speak my mind and I stand by what I say.

well that makes it all better then- "plain speaking" certainly makes any comment and point of view acceptable.

Rick101 said:

Those that want to be helped, should have all the help available.

What about those who are too scared to ask for help? who don't know where to turn?

Rick101 said:

Those that defend their attacker and attack those trying to help them will likely prolong their situation.

so you think those people who are clearly the most disturbed, should get the least help?

Spent a few weeks on a guided holiday to Madagascar a couple of years ago. Another family (who we didn't know) came along. The Mother had bought books for the schools (which was lovely), but refused to give them to any school which had children with no shoes (on the grounds that they clearly aren't caring for the kids properly). The reality was they couldn't afford shoes- its was shoes or food.

Your posts remind me of her- at heart, trying to do the right thing, but utterly misguided with a moral compass pointing precisely the wrong direction.

[Dr Murdoch]

I think I heard this morning that she's left the family home, taking her children and puppies with her.

[Grenoble]

Cautioned...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22947383

[Colonial]

Rick101 said:

Transmat,

You've managed to wind me up quite successfully with that post, I'm sat here, late, waiting for a reply!
I'll take a min and hope that you are just trolling and trying to make me bite.
Quite a ridiculous post and suitably ignored.

Ciao

Off to strangle the neighbours cat....

Well, he obviously just speaks his mind.

[longblackcoat]

WeirdNeville said:

I'm disappointed that he was offered a caution. It's an easy route out for all concerned, and I'm not sure it's appropriate in cases like this. Obviously I don't have the full facts.

It's not an easy way out for a celebrity. If he'd been a plumber called Bob who lived in Kidlington, then a police caution might not be too much of an issue - no-one other than your family is much interested in you, and a caution might go under the radar.

In this case, although accepting a caution means that Saatchi avoids a potential jail sentence, the real punishment is being branded as a wife-beater in the public mind, forever thought of as "that bloke who beat up Nigella". It doesn't help his case that she's a posh-totty sex symbol (even if she's a pretty terrible cook), that this has all been played out on the front cover of the tabloids, and that he made the inane 'only joking, honest' defence yesterday.

Whatever the truth, whatever he or she may believe about what actually happened, the reality is that his life has just been irreversibly changed, and not for the better. An easy way out? Hardly.

[collateral]

WeirdNeville said:

I'm disappointed that he was offered a caution. It's an easy route out for all concerned, and I'm not sure it's appropriate in cases like this. Obviously I don't have the full facts.

I'm not really up to speed on things but that does seem a bit lenient - isn't that the type of thing given for having a small amount of drugs and such, not throttling someone else in public?

I don't know where the lines are drawn when it comes to assault/ABH and such

[Transmat]

Rick101 said:

WTF?? Of course not! I wouldn't assault anybody without good reason, male or female.

Where did you get that indication from???? Hell of an accusation. What about you? Would you? Yes or no.



p.s I've strangled many willing people in practice up to black belt, but never in anger!

Earlier you said you couldn't see what all the fuss was about, when clearly there is a lot of fuss over someone strangling a woman. I haven't or wouldn't strangle anyone.

Do you realise that many women like this have their confidence taken away by constant bullying and abuse by their partners and are too scared to report it? I'd bet money that he has done worse whilst not in public.

[The Don of Croy]

collateral said:

I'm not really up to speed on things but that does seem a bit lenient - isn't that the type of thing given for having a small amount of drugs and such, not throttling someone else in public?

I don't know where the lines are drawn when it comes to assault/ABH and such

I would hope - but have no evidence - that he has also been signed onto some course (anger management?) or therapy to further explore his aggressive behaviour.

Being as he has means then perhaps a retreat to a nice comfy 'facility' with 5 star services while he downloads all his feelings to a trick cyclist...rather like the how the Norwegian packaging heir was allowed to rehab privately after 'allowing' his wife to die in their home.

Very sad for all concerned.

[Rick101]

PugwasHD

Fair comment and point taken.

I'm not stubborn enough to not take others point of view as I hope others would consider mine.

Glad she's taken decisive action. I'm on mobile, may post a fuller response later.