Benedict Cumberbatch sorry for 'coloured' comment
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A redneck who wanted to get a divorce paid a visit to a lawyer.
The lawyer said, "How can I help you?" The redneck said, "I want to
get one of those dayvorces".
The lawyer said, "Do you have any grounds?"
The redneck said, "Yes, I got 40 acres". The lawyer said, "No, you don't understand, Do you have a suit?"
The redneck said, "Yes, I got a suit, I wears it to church
on Sundays".
The lawyer said, "No, no, I mean, do you have a case?" The redneck
said, "No, I ain't got a case, but I got a John Deere."
The lawyer said, "No, I mean, do you have a grudge?" The redneck
said, "Yes, I got a grudge, that's where I parks the John Deere."
The lawyer said, "Does your wife beat you up or something?".
The redneck said, "No, we both get up at 4:30".
The lawyer said, "Is your wife a nagger?"
The redneck said, "No, she's a little white gal, but
our last child was a nagger and that's why I wants a dayvorce"
The lawyer said, "How can I help you?" The redneck said, "I want to
get one of those dayvorces".
The lawyer said, "Do you have any grounds?"
The redneck said, "Yes, I got 40 acres". The lawyer said, "No, you don't understand, Do you have a suit?"
The redneck said, "Yes, I got a suit, I wears it to church
on Sundays".
The lawyer said, "No, no, I mean, do you have a case?" The redneck
said, "No, I ain't got a case, but I got a John Deere."
The lawyer said, "No, I mean, do you have a grudge?" The redneck
said, "Yes, I got a grudge, that's where I parks the John Deere."
The lawyer said, "Does your wife beat you up or something?".
The redneck said, "No, we both get up at 4:30".
The lawyer said, "Is your wife a nagger?"
The redneck said, "No, she's a little white gal, but
our last child was a nagger and that's why I wants a dayvorce"
FredClogs said:
I've attracted much derision from people in this thread for calling Cumbersnatch out as one of the establishment and a ivory towered toff, but when it comes to the language of slave traders and apartheid then that's open season? Orwell must be spinning in his grave.
I'm quite sure he couldn't give a st as he had much more important things to do, like scratch his bks and write overrated rubbish loved by Hollywood film makers and GCSE examiners.You've attracted much derision quite deservedly because you've reacted quite disproportionately to an innocuous comment by a man who seems quite decent, despite his much belittled (by you) education.
There's only one person coming out of this looking besmirched, and it isn't whatever-his-name-is the actor. Have a word FFS.
dudleybloke said:
Well I'm from the black country not the coloured country.
I have to say it's always struck me as somewhat ironic that Birmingham, which I understand has the highest proportion of non-white people of any city in UK, lies in the black country. The name has apparently been in use since mid 18th century to describe the blackness caused by soot from coal and industrial processes. "Birmingham is a diverse city
•Around 42% of our residents were [in 2012] from an ethnic group other than White.
•46.1% of Birmingham residents said they were Christian, 21.8% Muslim and 19.3% had no religion.
•22% of our residents were born outside the UK, compared with 14% in England and 11% in the West Midlands region."
On the other hand it's always struck me as extremely odd that the New Zealand rugby team has been known as the All Blacks - particularly sine NZ, like Australia, was not very kind to its native inhabitants and has operated an immigration policy which does little to encourage other ethnic groups.
In USA there is some controversy these days about American Football teams with names like the "Atlanta Braves", "Chicago Blackhawks", "Washington Redskins" or "Clevelend Indians". I'm not aware of anything similar in other countries.
"Defenders of the current usage often state their intention to honor Native Americans by referring to positive traits such as fighting spirit and being aggressive, brave, stoic, dedicated, and proud. Supporters also state that the issue is not important being only about sports, and that the opposition is nothing more than "political correctness". Surveys of public opinion consistently find that the majority of people in the United States support retaining the names and images in current use, however there has been a steady decline in the number of teams doing so. Native American images and nicknames nevertheless remain fairly common in American sports, and may be seen in use by teams at all levels from elementary school to professional." Wikipedia
HRL said:
I don't call anyone black or coloured, there's no need, though I wouldn't know what's PC or not these days. The whole thing is a fecking joke.
The comment above about a lack of BAME representation in the media industry, is it not entirely possible that it just so happens that the people that are allegedly under-represented just didn't apply for the jobs? Why does the fact that the staff are predominantly white mean anything racist? Could the people that work there not just be the best people for the jobs?
Funny thing is the most racist people I've had the displeasure to encounter in the past 10 years have all been anything other than white. Go figure.
I really REALLY hate the term BAME. It's no less racist or offensive than 'black' or 'coloured'. (I'll go into detail if you like.) The difference is that it's not yet considered 'outmoded and old fashioned' by the PC brigade.The comment above about a lack of BAME representation in the media industry, is it not entirely possible that it just so happens that the people that are allegedly under-represented just didn't apply for the jobs? Why does the fact that the staff are predominantly white mean anything racist? Could the people that work there not just be the best people for the jobs?
Funny thing is the most racist people I've had the displeasure to encounter in the past 10 years have all been anything other than white. Go figure.
It amuses me when someone is trying to describe a person, and ends up tied in linguistic knots trying not to mention their race. If you want to point me out among a group of middle aged men, feel free to say 'the coloured bloke'. It might be offensive on TV in the USA, but not in my world.
Also, I'd agree that the racism I've heard within ethnic minorities exceeds what I've experienced from the ethnic majority. (Can I say 'white'? Will that offend anyone?)
I think everyone should have their skin colour graded on RAL references.
That way anyone wants to segregate on skin colour again they're gonna have to have a lot of sections on the buses.
No I'm not coloured, I'm not black, I'm RAL 8028 and don't you forget it.
Purple Aki can also be 4007 Aki.
That way anyone wants to segregate on skin colour again they're gonna have to have a lot of sections on the buses.
No I'm not coloured, I'm not black, I'm RAL 8028 and don't you forget it.
Purple Aki can also be 4007 Aki.
SpudLink said:
I really REALLY hate the term BAME. It's no less racist or offensive than 'black' or 'coloured'. (I'll go into detail if you like.) The difference is that it's not yet considered 'outmoded and old fashioned' by the PC brigade.
It amuses me when someone is trying to describe a person, and ends up tied in linguistic knots trying not to mention their race. If you want to point me out among a group of middle aged men, feel free to say 'the coloured bloke'. It might be offensive on TV in the USA, but not in my world.
Also, I'd agree that the racism I've heard within ethnic minorities exceeds what I've experienced from the ethnic majority. (Can I say 'white'? Will that offend anyone?)
Hahaha. I only used the term BAME because I gathered from this thread that it was the current correct PC term. I've never even heard it used before today.It amuses me when someone is trying to describe a person, and ends up tied in linguistic knots trying not to mention their race. If you want to point me out among a group of middle aged men, feel free to say 'the coloured bloke'. It might be offensive on TV in the USA, but not in my world.
Also, I'd agree that the racism I've heard within ethnic minorities exceeds what I've experienced from the ethnic majority. (Can I say 'white'? Will that offend anyone?)
I just don't understand why the colour of someones skin is relevant in this day and age.
Grumfutock said:
Can everyone please cease referring to me as white, middle class, Caucasian or European. I am offended by them and they are racist!
Indeed.....Anyway as long as you're not inciting violence I thought we had a right to cause offence and speak freely?
Not that Benny was doing that anyway..
SpudLink said:
I really REALLY hate the term BAME. It's no less racist or offensive than 'black' or 'coloured'. (I'll go into detail if you like.) The difference is that it's not yet considered 'outmoded and old fashioned' by the PC brigade.
It amuses me when someone is trying to describe a person, and ends up tied in linguistic knots trying not to mention their race. If you want to point me out among a group of middle aged men, feel free to say 'the coloured bloke'. It might be offensive on TV in the USA, but not in my world.
Also, I'd agree that the racism I've heard within ethnic minorities exceeds what I've experienced from the ethnic majority. (Can I say 'white'? Will that offend anyone?)
Sorry, but as well as missing out that "coloured" had become a phrase not to be used (in my defence, I live in the west country ), I have no idea what BAME stands for? I've never heard of it.It amuses me when someone is trying to describe a person, and ends up tied in linguistic knots trying not to mention their race. If you want to point me out among a group of middle aged men, feel free to say 'the coloured bloke'. It might be offensive on TV in the USA, but not in my world.
Also, I'd agree that the racism I've heard within ethnic minorities exceeds what I've experienced from the ethnic majority. (Can I say 'white'? Will that offend anyone?)
FredClogs said:
Sway said:
On an "AMERICAN" talk show?Black is fine, Irish is fine, Dog is fine (if correctly applied) Colored is not - if on an American talk show and talking about black people - I mean really it's not rocket science.
http://www.naacp.org/
Agoogy said:
Grumfutock said:
Can everyone please cease referring to me as white, middle class, Caucasian or European. I am offended by them and they are racist!
Indeed.....Anyway as long as you're not inciting violence I thought we had a right to cause offence and speak freely?
Not that Benny was doing that anyway..
Standing by to repel borders!
Digga said:
FredClogs said:
"People of colour" is acceptable and a plural term, identifying someone as "coloured" is not, spelling colour "color" is never acceptable.
Sorry, but that is bonkers, Machiavellian. If you are talking about mixed races - Asian, African, Afro Caribbean etc. - then surely "coloured" is grammatically and therefore factually, rationally correct.I understand that we now live in a world where, for sensible reasons, no one's dog is named after Wing.Co Guy Gibson's, but I do think there is too much made of specific wording, rather than intent.
Is it the same reasoning that led to the disappearance of the little golliwog from the Robertsons jars?
Edit following preview: Oh, FFS, I see the dog's name as I typed it has not appeared.
This is getting ridiculous. I can see another ban looming!
Edited by p1esk on Tuesday 27th January 15:44
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