Apple announces MASSIVE profits

[chrispmartha]

Esseesse said:

Do you really believe that the employee's that Apple's subcontractors use are treated worse than any other manufacturer? Apple seems like one of the few companies that makes some effort to address working conditions.

Let me know when Windows Phone wipes the floor with anything.

Its interesting isn't it how people can have a go at apple for the manufacturing conditions, while typing on a phone or computer that will have been made either in the same factory or one with worse conditions, I'm not sure how they can take the moral high ground.

[scorp]

chrispmartha said:

Its interesting isn't it how people can have a go at apple for the manufacturing conditions, while typing on a phone or computer that will have been made either in the same factory or one with worse conditions, I'm not sure how they can take the moral high ground.

What about factories that treat their workers better than Foxconn, or do they not exist, is everything by default assumed to be worse ?

[Boydie88]

Esseesse said:

Boydie88 said:

I don't see the point of the iPad too. What can it do? Why would you buy one when you could spend a bit more and buy a Surface instead and have a tablet that runs everything.

Surface does not know what it is. The highlight of the product that Microsoft's adverts centred around was the 'click' the kickstand makes when you pop it out.

Boydie88 said:

It's even fully documented that they break no end of worker's rights http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23486638. Horrible immoral sts that somehow have conned people into thinking they're getting value for their extortionate fees when Android and Windows Phone wipes the floor with it.

Do you really believe that the employee's that Apple's subcontractors use are treated worse than any other manufacturer? Apple seems like one of the few companies that makes some effort to address working conditions.

Let me know when Windows Phone wipes the floor with anything.

I know what the Surface is. It runs incredibly demanding Cad work in Catia, has pretty immense battery life while doing so and then can be treated as a tablet when you do want to use it causally like an iPad.

Yes. Apple gets a hell of a lot more stick and has a lot more dodgy dealings about it than any of the other major manufacturers.

As for the Windows Phone it won me over. The Lumia 920 was released the same time as the 5 and the Lumia is far superior in everything that matters to me. Better camera, more durable, Microsoft office support and contrary to the belief it lacks apps, it has all the ones that matter.

[klootzak]

RemyMartin said:

Conpare like with like. Not a £2500 iMac vs a £400 PC.

But isn't that the point? Most of the people complaining about Apple's pricing (and marketing for that matter) ARE making exactly that comparison.

If you compare a £1k Macbook Air with a £1k ultrabook you end up with a substantially closer spec. Not equal, I grant you, but far, far closer. Phones and tablets are no different. Choose your build quality and tactile experience, and compare on that basis.

Getting back to the point about Apple's profit, what everyone in this sorry discussion so far seems to have forgotten is that Apple is unusual in that it has focused on developing its own distribution channel. So it pays the same as Samsung et al to make its products (because they are made in the same stty factories), but it takes the full retail AND trade margin. No other major computer/tablet/phone manufacturer has such a highly developed on and offline retail channel.

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[oyster]

Apple method of upgrades: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 etc

Other companies: 240, 7, 3, 900, 400 etc

Get the drift?

As someone who isn't a techie nerd, I want a simple upgrade process. I don't want to spend hours having a spotty oink sales gimp in carphone warehouse telling me all sorts of marketing babble. I also do not want to spend endless hours comparing hundreds of phones online.
With Apple at least I know 4 is better than 3, 5 is better than 4 and so on.


And in case anyone thinks I'm a fanboi, I still use an iphone 4!

[Boydie88]

chrispmartha said:

Boydie88 said:

I don't see the point of the iPad too. What can it do? Why would you buy one when you could spend a bit more and buy a Surface instead and have a tablet that runs everything.

Edited by Boydie88 on Thursday 29th January 09:37

You may not see the point but obviously others do, why does it bother you?

As it happens I have an iPad and I don't use it conventionally, I use it in my recording studio where its great for using as a controller for Logic X and Ive got a great Moog synth on it.

It doesn't bother me, it almost amuses me. I compare it to when non petrol heads see the VX. It often gets the reaction "how did you afford that?!" when they're running a nearly new Corsa or something similar that was probably considerably more.

[TheJimi]

So, I've got Apple kit AND kit running Android.

The premise given by many on this thread is that if you own an Apple product, you are a fanboy.

Ok, so what does that make me then? You cretins.

[chrispmartha]

scorp said:

What about factories that treat their workers better than Foxconn, or do they not exist, is everything by default assumed to be worse ?

The point being, unless you know for certain your device has been made in better conditions you cannot take the moral high ground.

[chrispmartha]

Boydie88 said:

It doesn't bother me, it almost amuses me. I compare it to when non petrol heads see the VX. It often gets the reaction "how did you afford that?!" when they're running a nearly new Corsa or something similar that was probably considerably more.

You may compare it to that but its not similar in any way shape or form.

[Boydie88]

chrispmartha said:

Boydie88 said:

It doesn't bother me, it almost amuses me. I compare it to when non petrol heads see the VX. It often gets the reaction "how did you afford that?!" when they're running a nearly new Corsa or something similar that was probably considerably more.

You may compare it to that but its not similar in any way shape or form.

A better product for less money.

[chrispmartha]

Boydie88 said:

A better product for less money.

'better' is fairly subjective i'm afraid.

Your VX, was it less money when new?

[Boydie88]

Of coarse not, it's more of a 'here's what you could have had'. Obviously there are far more factors involved in car choice. Back to phones, what do iPhone users think they're getting extra for their excessive prices compared to competitors? Sell one to me.

[funinhounslow]

oyster said:

Apple method of upgrades: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 etc

Other companies: 240, 7, 3, 900, 400 etc

Get the drift?

As someone who isn't a techie nerd, I want a simple upgrade process. I don't want to spend hours having a spotty oink sales gimp in carphone warehouse telling me all sorts of marketing babble. I also do not want to spend endless hours comparing hundreds of phones online.
With Apple at least I know 4 is better than 3, 5 is better than 4 and so on.


And in case anyone thinks I'm a fanboi, I still use an iphone 4!

And I was still on a 3GS until last year when I got my 5S - one reason why I keep buying their products is that they last. I'm typing this on an eight year old iMac that is running Yosemite without an issue.

Surely, as noted above, the key though is the ease of use of their products? Having the hardware, OS and software made by the same company means my iMac, phone and Apple TV all work together seamlessly - just by logging into the same iCloud account. I know I can do the same with other devices, but I'm not sure the process would be as simple as remembering one password. (It took a while for them to get there mind - anyone else remember "MobileMe"?!)

This elimination of faffing around for me is well worth the premium.

[chrispmartha]

Boydie88 said:

Of coarse not, it's more of a 'here's what you could have had'..

But they may not have wanted it? were all different which some people can't seem to grasp.

Anyway I could go on eBay and get a second hand mac pro for the price of new PC, so your analogy works both ways.

[Boydie88]

funinhounslow said:

This elimination of faffing around for me is well worth the premium.

Except they all do that.

[chrispmartha]

Boydie88 said:

Of coarse not, it's more of a 'here's what you could have had'. Obviously there are far more factors involved in car choice. Back to phones, what do iPhone users think they're getting extra for their excessive prices compared to competitors? Sell one to me.

Why do I need to sell one to you?, I use an iPhone because it integrates with all my other equipment seamlessly and I think the design is nice, it was also not that much more per month than a comparable android/windows phone so why should I switch when I don't have one issue with the iPhone and its OS?

[chrispmartha]

Boydie88 said:

Except they all do that.

Do they 'all' work with an include account? (thats a serious question)

[Boydie88]

chrispmartha said:

Do they 'all' work with an include account? (thats a serious question)

Not with an iCloud - they have their own accounts and their own accounts work across other devices and platforms unlike Apple who tie you to ste like iTunes. I guess that's where they've won. They set the bar in smartphones, others have surpassed their tech but Apple make it st for you to make your own choice.

And as for price per month, the 6 looks to be £15 a month more on a 2 year contract to the latest Lumia on the data package. £360 more for less build quality, a weaker camera and no office.

Edited by Boydie88 on Thursday 29th January 10:39

[chrispmartha]

Boydie88 said:

Not with an iCloud - they have their own accounts and their own accounts work across other devices and platforms unlike Apple who tie you to ste like iTunes. I guess that's where they've won. They set the bar in smartphones, others have surpassed their tech but Apple make it st for you to make your own choice.

So if you have a mac and an apple TV, why would you switch to an android phone when the iPhone integrates with your existing tech? You may not like the apple 'eco' system but the reason its been so successful is that it does work seamlessly, Apple are a company not a charity and they will make products that work with each other, don't like that system, don't buy it.

It was said 'they all do that' they clearly don't.

[chrispmartha]

Boydie88 said:

Not with an iCloud - they have their own accounts and their own accounts work across other devices and platforms unlike Apple who tie you to ste like iTunes. I guess that's where they've won. They set the bar in smartphones, others have surpassed their tech but Apple make it st for you to make your own choice.

just to add, my iPhone and iTunes account streams perfectly to my Linn stereo so it does work with other systems.