Can we talk about Austria a little?
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Breadvan72 said:
His name was Jan Sobieski. He was Polish. Gustav was Swedish, and the main military Swedish Gustav was dead at the time.
European powers later showed Poland their gratitude for saving Europe's butt by partitioning Poland. The Austrians who ran the southern area were particularly mean to the Poles. No good deed goes unpunished!
Ah you are right, I must dig out my book again...it is an excellent battle, something close to 20,000 horses in the final cavalry charge, the biggest in military history. European powers later showed Poland their gratitude for saving Europe's butt by partitioning Poland. The Austrians who ran the southern area were particularly mean to the Poles. No good deed goes unpunished!
Edited by Breadvan72 on Monday 16th October 09:41
Polish winged hussars were unusual in many ways. Each heavily armoured man had a whole array of weapons, including an extra long lance which enabled the hussars to achieve the feat of successfully attacking formed Swedish pikemen from the front.
In the Turkish wars, hapless Balkan peasants armed with matchlock muskets and little training must have thought the world was ending when charged by winged horsemen with the wind howling through the feathers.
In the Turkish wars, hapless Balkan peasants armed with matchlock muskets and little training must have thought the world was ending when charged by winged horsemen with the wind howling through the feathers.
DeejRC said:
And how does the EU help to mitigate Austrian fears? Well it looks at Greece and Italy and their intakes of migrants and notes that the EU has told em they are getting f
k all help. It looks at the EU treaty and says hold on, according to this we have to house all these buggers who come across! Hey fellow EU countries, if we take them would you be OK with taking some from us?
There is no connection with the above and reality.k all help. It looks at the EU treaty and says hold on, according to this we have to house all these buggers who come across! Hey fellow EU countries, if we take them would you be OK with taking some from us? Gargamel said:
Ah you are right, I must dig out my book again...it is an excellent battle, something close to 20,000 horses in the final cavalry charge, the biggest in military history.
Although I am interested in military history, and know a fair bit about the subject, I would say that there has never been and never will be an "excellent battle". Mrr T said:
DeejRC said:
And how does the EU help to mitigate Austrian fears? Well it looks at Greece and Italy and their intakes of migrants and notes that the EU has told em they are getting fk all help. It looks at the EU treaty and says hold on, according to this we have to house all these buggers who come across! Hey fellow EU countries, if we take them would you be OK with taking some from us?
There is no connection with the above and reality.k all help. It looks at the EU treaty and says hold on, according to this we have to house all these buggers who come across! Hey fellow EU countries, if we take them would you be OK with taking some from us? Breadvan72 said:
Mrr T said:
DeejRC said:
And how does the EU help to mitigate Austrian fears? Well it looks at Greece and Italy and their intakes of migrants and notes that the EU has told em they are getting fk all help. It looks at the EU treaty and says hold on, according to this we have to house all these buggers who come across! Hey fellow EU countries, if we take them would you be OK with taking some from us?
There is no connection with the above and reality.k all help. It looks at the EU treaty and says hold on, according to this we have to house all these buggers who come across! Hey fellow EU countries, if we take them would you be OK with taking some from us? Just scrolled back through the thread, fascinating how many people that were all over this thread when it wasn't an election of the Government have now disappeared...
paulrockliffe said:
Breadvan72 said:
Mrr T said:
DeejRC said:
And how does the EU help to mitigate Austrian fears? Well it looks at Greece and Italy and their intakes of migrants and notes that the EU has told em they are getting fk all help. It looks at the EU treaty and says hold on, according to this we have to house all these buggers who come across! Hey fellow EU countries, if we take them would you be OK with taking some from us?
There is no connection with the above and reality.k all help. It looks at the EU treaty and says hold on, according to this we have to house all these buggers who come across! Hey fellow EU countries, if we take them would you be OK with taking some from us? Just scrolled back through the thread, fascinating how many people that were all over this thread when it wasn't an election of the Government have now disappeared...
The requirements to accept refugees seeking safety in a country is part of the UN convention on refugees.
The potential to move refugees to a new EU country was part of the Schengen treaty agreed by only some EU members. This was incorporated into EU law in the treaty of Amsterdam with exceptions for the UK and Ireland. However, it’s not the EU commission who are seeking to use the treaty to move refugees its Germany. There has been a challenge to the provision in the ECJ which was lost. However, German now appears to be backing down and will not push for movement. Partly I expect because any movement will be challenged in the German courts.
Mrr T said:
This is actually 2 different treaties.
The requirements to accept refugees seeking safety in a country is part of the UN convention on refugees.
The potential to move refugees to a new EU country was part of the Schengen treaty agreed by only some EU members. This was incorporated into EU law in the treaty of Amsterdam with exceptions for the UK and Ireland. However, it’s not the EU commission who are seeking to use the treaty to move refugees its Germany. There has been a challenge to the provision in the ECJ which was lost. However, German now appears to be backing down and will not push for movement. Partly I expect because any movement will be challenged in the German courts.
I also suspect it's because Merkel has finally realised it would be about as popular as a bacon buttie at a Bar Mitzvah.The requirements to accept refugees seeking safety in a country is part of the UN convention on refugees.
The potential to move refugees to a new EU country was part of the Schengen treaty agreed by only some EU members. This was incorporated into EU law in the treaty of Amsterdam with exceptions for the UK and Ireland. However, it’s not the EU commission who are seeking to use the treaty to move refugees its Germany. There has been a challenge to the provision in the ECJ which was lost. However, German now appears to be backing down and will not push for movement. Partly I expect because any movement will be challenged in the German courts.
That whole situation is a mess, and not a small contributor to the rise of right wing parties I suspect.
Breadvan72 said:
Mrr T said:
DeejRC said:
And how does the EU help to mitigate Austrian fears? Well it looks at Greece and Italy and their intakes of migrants and notes that the EU has told em they are getting fk all help. It looks at the EU treaty and says hold on, according to this we have to house all these buggers who come across! Hey fellow EU countries, if we take them would you be OK with taking some from us?
There is no connection with the above and reality.k all help. It looks at the EU treaty and says hold on, according to this we have to house all these buggers who come across! Hey fellow EU countries, if we take them would you be OK with taking some from us? 
I was a total Brexit advocate though as the more it killed sterling on the fx - the more I got paid I am, was and always have been nothing more than a mercenary piratical w
e!And gentlemen, you may wish to pay attention to the current Austrian (and Hungarian) public perceptions of the EU rules and regs around the Dublin Regulation and have been given quite a voluble commentary across the European media. Namely that the member state through which the asylum seeker/migrant/Bob the builder first entered the EU is the bugger that gets saddled with em. Now Im sure Bv72 would love to throw the correct legal stuff about the treaties at the above to prove its incorrect and Im equally sure he will most likely be correct. I haven't a scooby and care even less as its irrelevant to the point being made about the public perception.
So I do apologise to MrT, but Im afraid the reality as opposed to whatever the law or treaty says is supposed to happen and how that translates into the politics and public perception of the situation is exactly where I was going. The reality is what the reality is not, what others wish it either was or what it should be.
Oh and I apologise it took me a few weeks to reply, I haven't been bored enough to bother checking since! Ill probably have another look in a month or so
Austria's new far-right–conservative government to impose ‘sanctions’ on immigrants who keep their own culture. The OVP and FPO have unveiled their programme for government
Why Austria's Anti-Immigrant Experiment Is Worth Watching. The new ruling coalition has set out draconian immigration controls that every populist party dreams of implementing.
Why Austria's Anti-Immigrant Experiment Is Worth Watching. The new ruling coalition has set out draconian immigration controls that every populist party dreams of implementing.
BlackLabel said:
Austria's new far-right–conservative government to impose ‘sanctions’ on immigrants who keep their own culture. The OVP and FPO have unveiled their programme for government
Why Austria's Anti-Immigrant Experiment Is Worth Watching. The new ruling coalition has set out draconian immigration controls that every populist party dreams of implementing.
Why Austria's Anti-Immigrant Experiment Is Worth Watching. The new ruling coalition has set out draconian immigration controls that every populist party dreams of implementing.
- Asylum seekers should be prepared to give up their mobile phones for analysis to determine their travel routes and, where necessary, their identity.
- It also plans to confiscate any cash asylum-seekers might be carrying and put it toward the cost of their settlement.
- Individual accommodation should be ruled out, and medical confidentiality should be waived for diseases deemed important for the settlement process.
- Any asylum seekers convicted of crimes are to be deported. Deportation appeals procedures are generally to be curtailed.
- The government's idea is to shift responsibility to fit in onto newcomers. [...] Those who doesn't take these opportunities and rejects integration must expect sanctions."
- Children won't be allowed to start school until they have sufficient German skills.
- a "loophole-free" ban on foreign funding for religious organizations and strict control over the curriculum of islamic schools
Sounds good to me
It's a luxury to be allowed to live in country like Austria, not a human right. "Children won't be allowed to start school until they have sufficient German skills."
There may be a point in this with regards to funding and resource allocation for teenage children whose minds are less 'spongy' than younger kids, but if they're having this rule for children of any age it seems a tad self-defeating.
There may be a point in this with regards to funding and resource allocation for teenage children whose minds are less 'spongy' than younger kids, but if they're having this rule for children of any age it seems a tad self-defeating.
I may have mentioned this before… I live in Austria specifically A town which is described as the middle point of Austria.
I am English and my wife is hungarian born and now has Austrian nationality. Our daughter, born in Austria and has Austrian nationality speaks English and Hungarian at home. But she speaks German perfectly. How? We sent her to Kindergarten at just 18 months old. My point is this: banning children from schools until the German skills are up to scratch might seem like a good idea but ignores the fact The best way to learn a language full immersion. If this law is implemented should be done on a sliding scale very young children should be allowed into Kindergarten, primary school children should be allowed into primary school too. After that should be done on skill-level basis. The amount of teenagers who is German skills are extremely poor is unfathomable. It’s these children who disrupt classes influence others in a negative way.
I typed this out on my phone sorry for any typos
I am English and my wife is hungarian born and now has Austrian nationality. Our daughter, born in Austria and has Austrian nationality speaks English and Hungarian at home. But she speaks German perfectly. How? We sent her to Kindergarten at just 18 months old. My point is this: banning children from schools until the German skills are up to scratch might seem like a good idea but ignores the fact The best way to learn a language full immersion. If this law is implemented should be done on a sliding scale very young children should be allowed into Kindergarten, primary school children should be allowed into primary school too. After that should be done on skill-level basis. The amount of teenagers who is German skills are extremely poor is unfathomable. It’s these children who disrupt classes influence others in a negative way.
I typed this out on my phone sorry for any typos
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