Evidence of General Election Voting Fraud
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Turbotbloke said:
You're so right, evidence of alleged voter registration fraud in 2017 was MASSIVE!
At no point have I suggested that this fraud was ‘masisve’. HTHTurbotbloke said:
We need ID cards NOW! The time is ripe for our government to piss a couple of billion up the wall by instigating them immediately. It'll only cost us a mere £55,555,555.55 per alleged fraudulent vote registration but that's a price worth paying for our precious democracy.
At no point have I suggested the need for a national identify card system. Indeed, quite the opposite.Turbotbloke said:
A man of your calibre failing to accept that ID cards are the answer to this scandal is worrying.
A man of your ‘calibre’ pretending I’ve suggested entirely the opposite of what I’ve actually said is less worrying, just ignorant trolling. sidicks said:
mx5nut said:
Taking away some peoples' ability to vote without unnecessary red tape, expense and bureaucracy makes things less democratic. Do keep up, this isn't hard to understand.
Perhaps you'd care to share some examples of recent votes that would have been more democratic if everybody had produced photo ID before going in to the polling booth?
‘Unnecessary red tape”? You mean being able to prove who you are?Perhaps you'd care to share some examples of recent votes that would have been more democratic if everybody had produced photo ID before going in to the polling booth?
Ridiculous, isn't it? You do give your name and address in order to vote. You are identifying yourself. But it's somehow important that no-one checks your claim. It's a cornerstone of our so-called democracy that you can falsely identify yourself. 
And that's before we consider postal votes delivered by the sack load.
I suspect that there is actually a lot of fraud and those benefitting from it want to keep it that way.
And that's before we consider postal votes delivered by the sack load.
I suspect that there is actually a lot of fraud and those benefitting from it want to keep it that way.
anonymous said:
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My only concerns about a national ID card scheme are that it would be over budget and outsourced to someone like Capita, who would do an appalling job of administering it.As an aside, bringing in a requirement for photo ID would hit the Conservative vote in my area - we have a disproportionately large number of pensioners around here, many of whom don't drive or hold passports. Their only photo ID is a bus pass!
rscott said:
My only concerns about a national ID card scheme are that it would be over budget and outsourced to someone like Capita, who would do an appalling job of administering it.
As an aside, bringing in a requirement for photo ID would hit the Conservative vote in my area - we have a disproportionately large number of pensioners around here, many of whom don't drive or hold passports. Their only photo ID is a bus pass!
I think a national ID card would be opposed in principle. However an NHS card for entitlement to treatment would solve two issues. Help prevent fraud on the NHS and could be used as an alternative photo ID for those who don't have a driving license or passport.As an aside, bringing in a requirement for photo ID would hit the Conservative vote in my area - we have a disproportionately large number of pensioners around here, many of whom don't drive or hold passports. Their only photo ID is a bus pass!
Instead of compulsion it is also on the basis that if you want free health care you need to obtain the necessary card.
jmorgan said:
Whatever card you introduce there will be fraud.
I get a postal vote due to working away a lot, easy for me to complete but I can see how easy it is to abuse. The Mrs could fill it in for me and the authorities would be none the wiser.
There will certainly be attempted fraud. Making fraud harder is important for democracy.I get a postal vote due to working away a lot, easy for me to complete but I can see how easy it is to abuse. The Mrs could fill it in for me and the authorities would be none the wiser.
sidicks said:
jmorgan said:
Whatever card you introduce there will be fraud.
I get a postal vote due to working away a lot, easy for me to complete but I can see how easy it is to abuse. The Mrs could fill it in for me and the authorities would be none the wiser.
There will certainly be attempted fraud. Making fraud harder is important for democracy.I get a postal vote due to working away a lot, easy for me to complete but I can see how easy it is to abuse. The Mrs could fill it in for me and the authorities would be none the wiser.
sidicks said:
mx5nut said:
I've not even taken so much as a polling card along the last few times - never had a problem proving who I am.
How did you prove who you were?Pretty fundamental to how our democracy works in this country.
paulrockliffe said:
sidicks said:
mx5nut said:
I've not even taken so much as a polling card along the last few times - never had a problem proving who I am.
How did you prove who you were?
Incredible risk you'd be taking for a single extra vote.
ZedLeg said:
Has there been any actual proof of widespread electoral fraud?
There was a report of electoral fraud, but not the kind that fits the NP&E narrative
Turbotbloke said:
You're so right, evidence of alleged voter registration fraud in 2017 was MASSIVE! So much so, the Electoral Commission reported it all in excruciating detail in their Summary of data recorded by police forces.
Here's one of their funny pictures with words:
That's right, a whole 36 cases of alleged fraud. It's an utter scandal and I can't help myself but to wonder at your lack of backbone in the face of this onslaught.
We need ID cards NOW! The time is ripe for our government to piss a couple of billion up the wall by instigating them immediately. It'll only cost us a mere £55,555,555.55 per alleged fraudulent vote registration but that's a price worth paying for our precious democracy.
A man of your calibre failing to accept that ID cards are the answer to this scandal is worrying.
36 cases! That is surely worth changing the foundations of our democracy and adding needless expense and bureaucracy to the simple process of participating in it!Here's one of their funny pictures with words:
That's right, a whole 36 cases of alleged fraud. It's an utter scandal and I can't help myself but to wonder at your lack of backbone in the face of this onslaught.
We need ID cards NOW! The time is ripe for our government to piss a couple of billion up the wall by instigating them immediately. It'll only cost us a mere £55,555,555.55 per alleged fraudulent vote registration but that's a price worth paying for our precious democracy.
A man of your calibre failing to accept that ID cards are the answer to this scandal is worrying.
mx5nut said:
36 cases! That is surely worth changing the foundations of our democracy and adding needless expense and bureaucracy to the simple process of participating in it!
Only an idiot would suggest that requiring people to prove who they are before they vote is ‘changing the foundations of our democracy’.Oh, you did!
When you make claims like the one above, it really does support those who think that you are a troll, as surely no-one can really be that stupid? And yet I think you are!
Edited by sidicks on Thursday 8th March 09:51
A pretty illuminating article which illustrates the mindset of those here who tacitly approve of voter fraud. If it is for Labour we can turn a blind eye to it. As is common nowadays the comments below blow the logic used in the article out of the water....
Https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar...
Https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar...
mx5nut said:
Perhaps you'd care to share just one example in the history of our democracy where this hasn't worked?
Yes, no-one has ever pretended to be someone else , ever. And there is no requirement for photo ID for any other official business in the UK.
Oh, wait.
Edited by sidicks on Thursday 8th March 10:06
sidicks said:
mx5nut said:
Perhaps you'd care to share just one example in the history of our democracy where this hasn't worked?
Yes, no-one has ever pretended to be something else , ever. And there is no requirement for photo ID for any other official business in the UK.
Oh, wait.
Murph7355 said:
sidicks said:
mx5nut said:
I've not even taken so much as a polling card along the last few times - never had a problem proving who I am.
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