How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 4)
Discussion
desolate said:
JagLover said:
There is just as much chance of it being caught now as then, because as already pointed out EU food standards apply at every stage of the food production process from the farm onwards.
As someone who usually argues on the Remain side you are presumably happy enough with EU food standards now, so why does this change instantly on March 30th?
It certainly works as a temporary solution.As someone who usually argues on the Remain side you are presumably happy enough with EU food standards now, so why does this change instantly on March 30th?
I believe Remainers are quite correct that this cannot be a permanent solution due to WTO rules, but given an average dispute resolution time of about 20 months at the WTO this gives us ample time to set up the border infrastructure we should have been building since June 2016.
So we have a scare story dependent on the government doing something stupid, which it has already announced it has no intention of doing.
I can see it is going to be a long eight months.
crankedup said:
I believe most of the paper pulp comes from Russia, EU will be upset that they will not be s
tting on the U.K. 
The Cushelle factory in Manchester gets half its paper from Sweden, the other half from Brazil. 2 grades are used, long and short fibre. Combining them both in layers provides the strength and softness required. The Swedish stuff provides the strength so that's on the inside, the Brazilian stuff provides the softness, so that's on the outside.tting on the U.K. So worst case scenario we end up with softer bog roll, but you'd have to be careful how hard you used it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0bcr3rj/ins...
JagLover said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: The irony is that if the EU were proposing legislation to force member states to downgrade checks on food imports I think I can guess the reaction.
Couldn't make it up.
Couldn't make it up.
As far as I am aware we don't have any checks on food imports from the EU at present.
You only need health certificates and import licences for food products from outside the EU.
https://www.gov.uk/food-safety-as-a-food-distribut...
Dr Jekyll said:
Why would it cause delays? Under WTO rules the only restrictions we can impose are those necessary for safety. So even if the UK govt wanted to blockade it's own ports they would have to convince the WTO that something dangerous was going to start coming across all of a sudden even though we've had an open border with the EU/EEC for 40 years and no issues.
If you really don't understand anything about a customs border, the SM, the CU, or the EU . Might be better not to post rubbish and look stupid. All this has been covered many times before in vol 3.PurpleMoonlight said:
JagLover said:
There is just as much chance of it being caught now as then, because as already pointed out EU food standards apply at every stage of the food production process from the farm onwards.
As someone who usually argues on the Remain side you are presumably happy enough with EU food standards now, so why does this change instantly on March 30th?
I thought leavers wanted control?As someone who usually argues on the Remain side you are presumably happy enough with EU food standards now, so why does this change instantly on March 30th?
What's so difficult to understand about it?
vonuber said:
crankedup said:
The U.K. is a valued Country in trading terms as well as the fifth largest economy in the World.
If your a Farmer in one of those EU Countries exporting thier product to the U.K. I would suggest that farmer will be unhappy to see his market ruined. Takes two to trade, intransigence on the part of the EU is going to be costly for them, I do not believe all of those remaining Countries will willingly want to see them lose valued exports to the U.K.
You do understand all this ?
Sure, fifth (Or are we 6th now) as a result of being part of the EU.If your a Farmer in one of those EU Countries exporting thier product to the U.K. I would suggest that farmer will be unhappy to see his market ruined. Takes two to trade, intransigence on the part of the EU is going to be costly for them, I do not believe all of those remaining Countries will willingly want to see them lose valued exports to the U.K.
You do understand all this ?
Where we will be afterwards is anyones guess, but most estimate put us as being poorer and therefore no longer we will be such a large market. The EU is not being intransigent, we just don't actually seem to have a clue what we are doing - a common theme of government policy for the last 20 off years. Its one mess after another, with this being the biggest yet.
The EU will not stop trading food with us obviously, it will just cost us more and there is likely to be less of it due to a lot of it being held up at the ports.
Amazing how remainers ignore the absolute mess the EU is in, you must know what it is that I refer to.
And yet remainers wish the U.K. to continue within a dying political experiment. Clearly, for me it’s worth a bit of short term pain for long term gain, it’s not simply money, although of course that is a major factor.
I hope that I will be around when the positives of our exit start bearing fruit.
Edited by crankedup on Sunday 29th July 17:49
Mrr T said:
The EU is not cutting off supplies. The issue is imposing a customs border at the RoRo ports will inevitably cause delays which block flow. Thats a decision taken by the UK government at the insistence of a small percentage of the conservative party. The problem is team leave believe it fine to throw the UK economy off a cliff.
It will be fun seeing leave explain the largest turn down in the UK economy in living memory. Guess they will still blame remainers.
Worse than WW2, really? It will be fun seeing leave explain the largest turn down in the UK economy in living memory. Guess they will still blame remainers.
desolate said:
amusingduck said:
Why do you keep making the same point? It feels like I've seen you say that at least 5 times.
What's so difficult to understand about it?
I think he keeps making the same point as there hasn't really been a satisfactory answer.What's so difficult to understand about it?
I don't think the EUs food standards are perfect but they seem adequate and I have no objection to EU food imports continuing on the same basis as before assuming we arrived at a mutually satisfactory trading relationship.
I must have missed the bus that was saying "vote Leave ban all EU food imports"
don'tbesilly said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
don'tbesilly said:
If the French want to make it difficult for other EU countries to export their goods to the UK, then whilst it will hurt the UK, the impact on their (French] neighbours won't be well received will it?
France would be complying with EU law, as will ports in Holland, Spain, etc.amusingduck said:
Why do you keep making the same point? It feels like I've seen you say that at least 5 times.
What's so difficult to understand about it?
Five times in 15 months isn't bad. What's so difficult to understand about it?
This taking back control (oops) seems to rely a hell of a lot on others doing for us what we should be doing for ourselves.
PurpleMoonlight said:
Seems we have project fear mk2.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6003837/Pl...
Does anyone know how 'no deal' (no withdrawal agreement or trade agreement) is being reported in the EU27.
i remember similar claims in the lead up to the millennium.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6003837/Pl...
Does anyone know how 'no deal' (no withdrawal agreement or trade agreement) is being reported in the EU27.
jjlynn27 said:
Reading the last few pages, are people actually trying to portray that army and special measures in the 21st century as normal? As usual, followed by complete denial; 'It's the EU', 'it's the remainers', 'it's someone/anyone else's fault'.
Well the Government doesn't think it's normal! They have delayed publishing their 70 technical notices on hard Brexit until late August to avoid panicking the general public.jjlynn27 said:
crankedup said:
In your World everybody is a liar and a simpleton, so I’m not on the least surprised that you choose to post ever more desperately sad responses to perfectly reasonable posts.
Not everybody. I do however understand that in your, rather monochromatic, world everything is black or white as that's the only way that you can make the sense out of it. After all, whatever you type now, you've fallen for an obvious lie by a kipper. Just ask yourself how dumb do you have to be for that to happen. There is a reason for the numbers behind LA's exit poll.
jjlynn27 said:
Reading the last few pages, are people actually trying to portray that army and special measures in the 21st century as normal? As usual, followed by complete denial; 'It's the EU', 'it's the remainers', 'it's someone/anyone else's fault'.
Nothing is normal until it becomes thus.100 years ago flying off around the world for a weekend break would be witchcraft, now its normal. When the oil runs out it will be witchcraft again.
Ghibli said:
don'tbesilly said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
don'tbesilly said:
If the French want to make it difficult for other EU countries to export their goods to the UK, then whilst it will hurt the UK, the impact on their (French] neighbours won't be well received will it?
France would be complying with EU law, as will ports in Holland, Spain, etc.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff