How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 10)
Discussion
OzzyR1 said:
Can't be bothered to find the old thread but has this tweet from Rees-Mogg today been mentioned?
"@Jacob_Rees_Mogg
If a long extension leaves us stuck in the EU we should be as difficult as possible. We could veto any increase in the budget, obstruct the putative EU army and block Mr Macron’s integrationist schemes."
Is this the same Jacob R-M who said the UK had no power to do any of these things in the EU and that’s why we had to leave?
On top of that, his tweet sounds like it's from a teenager: if I can't get my own way I'll throw all of my toys out of the pram, scream at the top of my voice and s
t in my nappy. If I can't have it, I'll mess it up for everyone else - proper playground stuff.
The bloke is a fking weasel, a liar and a hypocrite.
I have been a Tory voter since I was eligible in the 80's but will not do so again until the majority of the current MP's have gone.
No he's a man of great moral character and principle."@Jacob_Rees_Mogg
If a long extension leaves us stuck in the EU we should be as difficult as possible. We could veto any increase in the budget, obstruct the putative EU army and block Mr Macron’s integrationist schemes."
Is this the same Jacob R-M who said the UK had no power to do any of these things in the EU and that’s why we had to leave?
On top of that, his tweet sounds like it's from a teenager: if I can't get my own way I'll throw all of my toys out of the pram, scream at the top of my voice and s
t in my nappy. If I can't have it, I'll mess it up for everyone else - proper playground stuff.The bloke is a f
king weasel, a liar and a hypocrite.I have been a Tory voter since I was eligible in the 80's but will not do so again until the majority of the current MP's have gone.
Go find a quote of him saying those things, that seems to be the "defence" for the man.
He's morally bankrupt, the difficulty is so many people have bought into the lie that it's very difficult for them to say "I was duped and he's the same as the rest of them".
People don't like being made to look foolish.
vonuber said:
Tuna said:
Another article which will be furiously ignored by Remainers.
Funnily enough it says much of what has been said before on here by people who don't believe an exit automatically requires a hard border. It also nixes the idea that a customs union magically removes the issue of the border.
Again, I am puzzled how you apparently voted remain, given your vociferous views towards people who did vote that way.Funnily enough it says much of what has been said before on here by people who don't believe an exit automatically requires a hard border. It also nixes the idea that a customs union magically removes the issue of the border.
Ridgemont said:
vonuber said:
Tuna said:
Another article which will be furiously ignored by Remainers.
Funnily enough it says much of what has been said before on here by people who don't believe an exit automatically requires a hard border. It also nixes the idea that a customs union magically removes the issue of the border.
Again, I am puzzled how you apparently voted remain, given your vociferous views towards people who did vote that way.Funnily enough it says much of what has been said before on here by people who don't believe an exit automatically requires a hard border. It also nixes the idea that a customs union magically removes the issue of the border.
Tuna has been frank about the fact that had the status quo won then we could have tumbled on like before. It didn’t and we aren’t in Kansas anymore.
Maybe Tuna will change his mind if as appears to be in the offing there is an unprecedented push to reverse a democratic decision and therefore his ‘no change’ scenario becomes real. I suspect any sane individual will look at that and realise that unbelievably we are witnessing democracy being subverted and that is not at all a good thing. Of course Tuna’s view may vary
So we are where we are, and now, as much as I didn't want to be here, in a place which is of the making of two opposing groups who neither would listen, nor compromise, and in the case of one set, remain, and I pick that word very deliberately, remain determined to ignore and overturn a clear instruction from the majority of people who voted because they simply don't agree with the instruction.
Meanwhile the middle ground majority are clearly prepared to compromise, and just want public servants to make their minds up and preferably do as they have been instructed.
mike9009 said:
vonuber said:
Tuna said:
Another article which will be furiously ignored by Remainers.
Funnily enough it says much of what has been said before on here by people who don't believe an exit automatically requires a hard border. It also nixes the idea that a customs union magically removes the issue of the border.
Again, I am puzzled how you apparently voted remain, given your vociferous views towards people who did vote that way.Funnily enough it says much of what has been said before on here by people who don't believe an exit automatically requires a hard border. It also nixes the idea that a customs union magically removes the issue of the border.
Vanden Saab said:
mike9009 said:
vonuber said:
Tuna said:
Another article which will be furiously ignored by Remainers.
Funnily enough it says much of what has been said before on here by people who don't believe an exit automatically requires a hard border. It also nixes the idea that a customs union magically removes the issue of the border.
Again, I am puzzled how you apparently voted remain, given your vociferous views towards people who did vote that way.Funnily enough it says much of what has been said before on here by people who don't believe an exit automatically requires a hard border. It also nixes the idea that a customs union magically removes the issue of the border.
https://www.smava.de/european-debt-clock/
FiF said:
. . . . . . . . and in the case of one set, remain, and I pick that word very deliberately, remain determined to ignore and overturn a clear instruction from the majority of people who voted because they simply don't agree with the instruction. . . . . . . .
The delicious irony is, of course, that by their actions, and with a little help from Macron (if he sticks to his word), the Remainers may well deliver the hardest of hard Brexits - the so called ‘crashing out’ with no deal!Garvin said:
FiF said:
. . . . . . . . and in the case of one set, remain, and I pick that word very deliberately, remain determined to ignore and overturn a clear instruction from the majority of people who voted because they simply don't agree with the instruction. . . . . . . .
The delicious irony is, of course, that by their actions, and with a little help from Macron (if he sticks to his word), the Remainers may well deliver the hardest of hard Brexits - the so called ‘crashing out’ with no deal!The best deal for all is we offer the EU a deal where we leave with a clean break but pay our current subs for say five years and in return the EU keep the door open for our possible immediate return under the same deal as we left, this would be a win for the EU they get our money, a safety net for the remainers and deliver the referendum result for the brexiteers.
After 5 years trying it outside we ask the electorate if we stay out or rejoin and finally settle the argument one way or the other.
Barchettaman said:
Don’t feel sorry for us - as long as we have trestle benches and tables for a summer get-together, cold beer, Bratwurst and Lederhosen, we’ll be alright.
If I may presume to speak on behalf of the Leavers here, we do hope you enjoy your celebrations fully and please don't spare the curry sauce! I've lost count of the number of times I've had to explain on my travels through Germany to
apparently emotional and upset Germans that very few Brits of whatever Brexit persuasion dislike the Germans or any other Europeans, for that matter, the French included
. It's the EU we don't like. steve_k said:
Crashing out (really leave the EU) is the only way to finally settle the argument, we either fail and remainers were right or we survive a flourish and brexiteers were right.
The best deal for all is we offer the EU a deal where we leave with a clean break but pay our current subs for say five years and in return the EU keep the door open for our possible immediate return under the same deal as we left, this would be a win for the EU they get our money, a safety net for the remainers and deliver the referendum result for the brexiteers.
After 5 years trying it outside we ask the electorate if we stay out or rejoin and finally settle the argument one way or the other.
That would be far too sensible ......The best deal for all is we offer the EU a deal where we leave with a clean break but pay our current subs for say five years and in return the EU keep the door open for our possible immediate return under the same deal as we left, this would be a win for the EU they get our money, a safety net for the remainers and deliver the referendum result for the brexiteers.
After 5 years trying it outside we ask the electorate if we stay out or rejoin and finally settle the argument one way or the other.
powerstroke said:
steve_k said:
Crashing out (really leave the EU) is the only way to finally settle the argument, we either fail and remainers were right or we survive a flourish and brexiteers were right.
The best deal for all is we offer the EU a deal where we leave with a clean break but pay our current subs for say five years and in return the EU keep the door open for our possible immediate return under the same deal as we left, this would be a win for the EU they get our money, a safety net for the remainers and deliver the referendum result for the brexiteers.
After 5 years trying it outside we ask the electorate if we stay out or rejoin and finally settle the argument one way or the other.
That would be far too sensible ......The best deal for all is we offer the EU a deal where we leave with a clean break but pay our current subs for say five years and in return the EU keep the door open for our possible immediate return under the same deal as we left, this would be a win for the EU they get our money, a safety net for the remainers and deliver the referendum result for the brexiteers.
After 5 years trying it outside we ask the electorate if we stay out or rejoin and finally settle the argument one way or the other.
powerstroke said:
steve_k said:
Crashing out (really leave the EU) is the only way to finally settle the argument, we either fail and remainers were right or we survive a flourish and brexiteers were right.
The best deal for all is we offer the EU a deal where we leave with a clean break but pay our current subs for say five years and in return the EU keep the door open for our possible immediate return under the same deal as we left, this would be a win for the EU they get our money, a safety net for the remainers and deliver the referendum result for the brexiteers.
After 5 years trying it outside we ask the electorate if we stay out or rejoin and finally settle the argument one way or the other.
That would be far too sensible ......The best deal for all is we offer the EU a deal where we leave with a clean break but pay our current subs for say five years and in return the EU keep the door open for our possible immediate return under the same deal as we left, this would be a win for the EU they get our money, a safety net for the remainers and deliver the referendum result for the brexiteers.
After 5 years trying it outside we ask the electorate if we stay out or rejoin and finally settle the argument one way or the other.
Given that the direction of travel for the EU is for a federal superstate. The United States of EU.
I would have 2 options on a referendum.
1/ We stay out of the EU.
2/ We go 100% balls in committed to the EU project.
We have no opt outs.
We join the Euro.
We close all our Embassies - and just utilise the EU Embassies
We close the HOC and HOL
We hand over our armed forces to come under EU Control
etc....
In essence we become good corporate citizens - and lead the way to helping the EU achieve its vision.
This left-wing argument against the customs union might provide food for thought for those who think all Brexiteers are racist old Gammons:
https://briefingsforbrexit.com/why-the-internation...
I don't agree with everything the author says, but at least he is trying to be consistent with Labour's stated ideals.
https://briefingsforbrexit.com/why-the-internation...
I don't agree with everything the author says, but at least he is trying to be consistent with Labour's stated ideals.
psi310398 said:
This left-wing argument against the customs union might provide food for thought for those who think all Brexiteers are racist old Gammons:
https://briefingsforbrexit.com/why-the-internation...
I don't agree with everything the author says, but at least he is trying to be consistent with Labour's stated ideals.
Looks like the norm for labour say anything for a vote.https://briefingsforbrexit.com/why-the-internation...
I don't agree with everything the author says, but at least he is trying to be consistent with Labour's stated ideals.
Squiddly Diddly said:
What's happened while I've been away?
Have we left yet?
Did the EU capitulate at the last minute?
Has Parliament agreed a way forward?
Can I get a blue passport?
Not left yet, we should have been out on the 29th March but this was blocked by much of the ERG who felt that the May deal lacked unicorns.Have we left yet?
Did the EU capitulate at the last minute?
Has Parliament agreed a way forward?
Can I get a blue passport?
Grown-ups are now trying to sort the mess out.
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