Police Officer killed on duty

[Red 4]

La Liga said:

think the stuff that straddles between the police and council is the annoying part that seems like nothing is done i.e. pitch up on land. Matters where the process of getting court orders and other legal necessities are too slow and cumbersome. I'd support stronger legislation for that sort of thing.

That's what people see.

They turn up, force entry to land, make a general nuisance of themselves, ps off leaving all their rubbish behind - and seemingly nothing is done.

For the low level crime that travellers commit it's often very difficult to prove who did what.

Resources for dealing with what are often large groups is another issue.

Lots of travellers are in prison though, as you say.

[troika]

La Liga said:

hey're the most disproportionately over-represented group in prison.

Not sure where 'don't investigate gypsy related crime' comes from given that.

I keep hearing this and am actually encouraged by it. I don’t care what the ‘group’ is, if they are all up to no good, anything less than 100% in prison means that crimes are going unpunished. Now, I accept there may be a few who don’t directly commit crimes (mainly women and kids under 13...), but they are living off the proceeds of crime and untaxed income.

The whole thing is heartbreaking. I hope you’ll be able to tell me the poor widow will be looked after.

[9.3]

Absolute life in prison, and then fry the fkers in an electric chair on their deathbed.
Just IMO.

[Red 4]

troika said:

The whole thing is heartbreaking. I hope you’ll be able to tell me the poor widow will be looked after.

Mentally/ emotionally ? Yes, she will be given support from the force.

Financially ? Yes. Death in service benefits will be paid to her. Lump sum and a widow's pension.

In that respect, it is fortunate ( sorry for using that word because none of this is fortunate ) that they married recently or she would not qualify for the pension.

Of course, I'm sure she isn't thinking about any of this at the moment.

She must be absolutely in bits

[troika]

Red 4 said:

troika said:

The whole thing is heartbreaking. I hope you’ll be able to tell me the poor widow will be looked after.

Mentally/ emotionally ? Yes, she will be given support from the force.

Financially ? Yes. Death in service benefits will be paid to her. Lump sum and a widow's pension.

In that respect, it is fortunate ( sorry for using that word because none of this is fortunate ) that they married recently or she would not qualify for the pension.

Of course, I'm sure she isn't thinking about any of this at the moment.

She must be absolutely in bits

Good to hear this at least. Mind you, if that wasn’t the case, I’m in no doubt there would be plenty of crowdfunded support for her. I can’t possibly imagine the horror she’s going through.

[Vaud]

ReallyReallyGood said:

If it proves not to be travellers this thread is going to look a bit foolish.

It already does.

Don't worry though they have been tried and executed as well.

[rambo19]

Sadly, I reckon no one will be charged with murder, will be reduced to manslaughter if they can ID the driver.

What really saddens me is that I am not shocked by this.

[Europa1]

Red 4 said:

That's what people see.

They turn up, force entry to land, make a general nuisance of themselves, ps off leaving all their rubbish behind - and seemingly nothing is done.

For the low level crime that travellers commit it's often very difficult to prove who did what.

Resources for dealing with what are often large groups is another issue.

Lots of travellers are in prison though, as you say.

I'll reserve judgment on whether the traveller community is to blame in this instance, as it seems premature at this stage (even if it seems logical).

However, I agree with Red 4's summary of what pisses people off about them. A group recently camped on a play area near Cambridge. It's now shut whilst the Council, for want of a better word, decontaminate it - for example, the sandpit needs to be replaced, due to the human excrement and broken glass in it. There is seemingly no comeback on the people that did this. If they want their traditions and rights to be respected, then not behaving like a pack of feral animals would be a good start.

There is a definite split of opinion in Cambridge about Midsummer Fair - to some, it's a marvelous tradition. To the people who live next ti Midsummer Common, it's people defecating in their front gardens. A year or 2 back there was a very awkward juxtaposition of a story about the mayor celebrating the arrival of this fair, against a story of a man who had been brutally assaulted by a couple of 'carnies'.

I'd like to see Councils follow them - scoop up the st they leave behind them, cart it to where they are next, or one of their permanent sites, and dump it.

[Red 4]

troika said:

Red 4 said:

troika said:

The whole thing is heartbreaking. I hope you’ll be able to tell me the poor widow will be looked after.

Mentally/ emotionally ? Yes, she will be given support from the force.

Financially ? Yes. Death in service benefits will be paid to her. Lump sum and a widow's pension.

In that respect, it is fortunate ( sorry for using that word because none of this is fortunate ) that they married recently or she would not qualify for the pension.

Of course, I'm sure she isn't thinking about any of this at the moment.

She must be absolutely in bits

Good to hear this at least. Mind you, if that wasn’t the case, I’m in no doubt there would be plenty of crowdfunded support for her. I can’t possibly imagine the horror she’s going through.

Yes, I would have thought crowd funding would have provided some help.

I know that when PC Dave Phillips was killed in very similar circumstances on Merseyside in 2015 the donations ran into hundreds of thousands.

There are also police specific charities such as The Police Dependants Trust who will offer help.

[fatboy18]

Vaud said:

W12GT said:

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Time to bring back the death penalty.

I was wondering how long it would take before someone posted this.

We got rid of it for good reasons.
Countries that have it - does it act as a deterrent? Does crime reduce? Do people not kill police officers?

I am pro-punishment (and rehabilitation where possible) but I don't think the state killing people is ever the answer, but I know that doesn't fit with the NP&E culture.

Now a long sentence of breaking rocks on a bleak cold island in the middle of the Atlantic...

Which would mean tax payers shedding out more money's when our prisons are full and scumbags are let out early so that other scumbags can take their place. And then many re-offend.

There is no respect, there is no deterrent!
Terrorism and Killing a police officer should be a capital offence.
No if's no but's.
Your life ends here sunshine.

[anonymous-user]

stevemcs said:

Put them in the military and let them deal with them, I don't know why but I always feel our police never receive any respect, if you o to Spain you never get the feeling you would intimidate the national police.

Comments like this really annoy me. Our military is a highly professional fighting force and these people deserve no place in it. Our military aren’t some form of rehabilitation service for scumbags, they are already stretched without having to deal with societies lowest.

Assuming by military you mean the infantry believing that’s where they should go, do you really want to give these idiots a gun and expect them to follow orders when they haven’t managed to be responsible for themselves in the past?

[citizensm1th]

Brooking10 said:

La Liga said:

Brooking10 said:

I assume start the reason Police don't investigate gypsy related crime is largely because of low manpower allied to low probability of securing convictions versus their target driven politically decided targets not because of some concerted campaign about "rights".

They're the most disproportionately over-represented group in prison.

Not sure where 'don't investigate gypsy related crime' comes from given that.

I stand corrected.

I had assume that stuff like tax investigations, B&E on unused land etc was simply too difficult / time consuming to secure convictions on.

Your stat though further underlines the point that whilst it makes for good frothing the "they're protected by do gooders" is patently bks.

I can only talk from personal experience as our village had two camps on the outskirts (one illegal that took nearly 3 years to be closed down by the LA) and the amount of problems our local shops and pubs have from these people is astonishing and because our local police presence consists of 3 beat bobbies who are not all on duty at the same time , unless it is something serious (we had plod dig up the grave of a traveller because they thought a firearm had been buried with the corpse) our local force will not go on the sites.

[Murph7355]

knk said:

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The death penalty has no place in a moral society.

Nor does members of the public killing people...but we have to contend with that

Vaud said:

...
I am pro-punishment (and rehabilitation where possible) but I don't think the state killing people is ever the answer, but I know that doesn't fit with the NP&E culture.

Now a long sentence of breaking rocks on a bleak cold island in the middle of the Atlantic...

The problem is that the latter doesn't happen. Which encourages the former.

And it isn't just an NP&E thing IMO.

Unless we start to get significantly sharper on the latter, expect more people to take the former view. And don't be surprised if one day that leads to it returning in this country.

[Europa1]

pablo said:

stevemcs said:

Put them in the military and let them deal with them, I don't know why but I always feel our police never receive any respect, if you o to Spain you never get the feeling you would intimidate the national police.

Comments like this really annoy me. Our military is a highly professional fighting force and these people deserve no place in it. Our military aren’t some form of rehabilitation service for scumbags, they are already stretched without having to deal with societies lowest.

Assuming by military you mean the infantry believing that’s where they should go, do you really want to give these idiots a gun and expect them to follow orders when they haven’t managed to be responsible for themselves in the past?

I couldn't agree more. Our military is, as you say, a professional fighting force of motivated volunteers. I struggle to see how throwing criminals into that system is going to help.

[Vaud]

fatboy18 said:

Which would mean tax payers shedding out more money's when our prisons are full and scumbags are let out early so that other scumbags can take their place. And then many re-offend.

There is no respect, there is no deterrent!
Terrorism and Killing a police officer should be a capital offence.
No if's no but's.
Your life ends here sunshine.

It's not a deterrent. See the US.

[Vaud]

Europa1 said:

I couldn't agree more. Our military is, as you say, a professional fighting force of motivated volunteers. I struggle to see how throwing criminals into that system is going to help.

On National Service: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ZZJXw4MTA

[aeropilot]

pablo said:

stevemcs said:

Put them in the military and let them deal with them, I don't know why but I always feel our police never receive any respect, if you o to Spain you never get the feeling you would intimidate the national police.

Comments like this really annoy me. Our military is a highly professional fighting force and these people deserve no place in it. Our military aren’t some form of rehabilitation service for scumbags, they are already stretched without having to deal with societies lowest.

Assuming by military you mean the infantry believing that’s where they should go, do you really want to give these idiots a gun and expect them to follow orders when they haven’t managed to be responsible for themselves in the past?

Agreed.

Unless he means by give to the military, he means as some live target practice.....

[silverfoxcc]

I long for the day when our lily livered in it for themselves and bugger what the public think MP's get their heads out of their backsides and change sentencing from a 'maximum' for the various offences to a MINIMUM and that the 'good behaviour part comes into effect after 2/3rd of the original sentence given.
It doesn't matter about rehabilitation arguments etc as they do not appear to wrk with the amount of repeat offenders

murder should be the rest of your natural life end of
Drug dealers min 30 years
Carrying weapons 10 years
and three guilty sentences 20 years
Any non national to be deported onconviction, never mind the human rights wailing .etc etcthey don't give a mionkeys about the victims do they?
And the CPS are as bloody useless as the rest of those supposedly brilliant legal minds and do gooders

Ok even harsh by the PH standards BUT advise the crims that they are the new rules and stick to them

[fatboy18]

Vaud said:

fatboy18 said:

Which would mean tax payers shedding out more money's when our prisons are full and scumbags are let out early so that other scumbags can take their place. And then many re-offend.

There is no respect, there is no deterrent!
Terrorism and Killing a police officer should be a capital offence.
No if's no but's.
Your life ends here sunshine.

It's not a deterrent. See the US.

Well one less scumbag means a saving, that saving could employ another Officer.

Edited by fatboy18 on Friday 16th August 21:22

[Pothole]

poo at Paul's said:

except Tuesdays when they have to pick up the giro.

Tiny bit out of touch?