39 bodies found in Lorry : illegals ?
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poo at Paul's said:
Sounds very suss to be pulling into an industrial estate 20 mins from collection at 130 am having travelled what, 8 hours to get there?
Bulgarian registered truck too.
Seems plausible to drive 8 hours to the dock, pick up your trailer then park up somewhere for the mandated rest break. Maybe checked the trailer was secure and saw something odd. If he was in on it wouldn’t he have dumped the lorry and run?Bulgarian registered truck too.
bobbo89 said:
I really wouldn't read too much about it being reported that the ambulance service called the police. It's probably just a roundabout way of not having to say that the driver called the emergency services.
Yes but what I speculate is that the driver called the ambulance services rather than the police stumbling upon the find.
sc0tt said:
bobbo89 said:
I really wouldn't read too much about it being reported that the ambulance service called the police. It's probably just a roundabout way of not having to say that the driver called the emergency services.
Yes but what I speculate is that the driver called the ambulance services rather than the police stumbling upon the find.If the guy has had the trailer to thirty odd minutes, and has called the emergency services to alert them of this utter horrid disaster, arresting him for murder and STILL detaining him 15 hours later smacks of incompetent policing to me.
What happened to ‘helping police with their enquiries?’. Do they not do that anymore? Or is it ‘arrest him for murder so we can search for any other reason to do him’?
What grounds do they have of suspecting him of murder anyway if he didn’t bring the trailer accross the channel? When you arrest someone you have to have grounds to suspect them of the offence that you are arresting them for don’t you. I don’t see how anyone could think this driver is involved in people smuggling and subsequent murder of these people if the trailer was brought accross the channel by means other than him towing it, and they seem to already know that this isn’t the case. If he was a people smuggler he’d have left the scene not called the emergency services.
He’s going to be traumatised by finding these bodies, and traumatised by being arrested on suspicion of murder. It would seem he’s done nothing wrong and done exactly the right thing on discovering these bodies. And he gets treated as if he’s some kind of monster.
Or is it that they treat all lorry drivers as murderers and are just playing the odds here....?
No wonder people are reluctant to help the police in this country these days.
25 year old lorry driver, named in the press as a suspected murderer. What the fek must his family be going through.
What happened to ‘helping police with their enquiries?’. Do they not do that anymore? Or is it ‘arrest him for murder so we can search for any other reason to do him’?
What grounds do they have of suspecting him of murder anyway if he didn’t bring the trailer accross the channel? When you arrest someone you have to have grounds to suspect them of the offence that you are arresting them for don’t you. I don’t see how anyone could think this driver is involved in people smuggling and subsequent murder of these people if the trailer was brought accross the channel by means other than him towing it, and they seem to already know that this isn’t the case. If he was a people smuggler he’d have left the scene not called the emergency services.
He’s going to be traumatised by finding these bodies, and traumatised by being arrested on suspicion of murder. It would seem he’s done nothing wrong and done exactly the right thing on discovering these bodies. And he gets treated as if he’s some kind of monster.
Or is it that they treat all lorry drivers as murderers and are just playing the odds here....?
No wonder people are reluctant to help the police in this country these days.
25 year old lorry driver, named in the press as a suspected murderer. What the fek must his family be going through.
TTmonkey said:
Its an arrest under suspicion of murder. I'd suggest that if this happened to you you'd be devastated. If the truck driver hasn't been involved other than picking it up from the port and driving it to the final location then some utter c**t of a policeman needs to be issuing him with a fekin grovelling apology.
How naive are you?How exactly is a police officer who, when confronted with 39 corpses in a lorry, supposed to instantly know (conclusively) what the driver's level of involvement is?
TTmonkey said:
If the guy has had the trailer to thirty odd minutes, and has called the emergency services to alert them of this utter horrid disaster, arresting him for murder and STILL detaining him 15 hours later smacks of incompetent policing to me.
What happened to ‘helping police with their enquiries?’. Do they not do that anymore? Or is it ‘arrest him for murder so we can search for any other reason to do him’?
What grounds do they have of suspecting him of murder anyway if he didn’t bring the trailer accross the channel? When you arrest someone you have to have grounds to suspect them of the offence that you are arresting them for don’t you. I don’t see how anyone could think this driver is involved in people smuggling and subsequent murder of these people if the trailer was brought accross the channel by means other than him towing it, and they seem to already know that this isn’t the case. If he was a people smuggler he’d have left the scene not called the emergency services.
He’s going to be traumatised by finding these bodies, and traumatised by being arrested on suspicion of murder. It would seem he’s done nothing wrong and done exactly the right thing on discovering these bodies. And he gets treated as if he’s some kind of monster.
Or is it that they treat all lorry drivers as murderers and are just playing the odds here....?
No wonder people are reluctant to help the police in this country these days.
25 year old lorry driver, named in the press as a suspected murderer. What the fek must his family be going through.
Armchair policing at it's best, well done.What happened to ‘helping police with their enquiries?’. Do they not do that anymore? Or is it ‘arrest him for murder so we can search for any other reason to do him’?
What grounds do they have of suspecting him of murder anyway if he didn’t bring the trailer accross the channel? When you arrest someone you have to have grounds to suspect them of the offence that you are arresting them for don’t you. I don’t see how anyone could think this driver is involved in people smuggling and subsequent murder of these people if the trailer was brought accross the channel by means other than him towing it, and they seem to already know that this isn’t the case. If he was a people smuggler he’d have left the scene not called the emergency services.
He’s going to be traumatised by finding these bodies, and traumatised by being arrested on suspicion of murder. It would seem he’s done nothing wrong and done exactly the right thing on discovering these bodies. And he gets treated as if he’s some kind of monster.
Or is it that they treat all lorry drivers as murderers and are just playing the odds here....?
No wonder people are reluctant to help the police in this country these days.
25 year old lorry driver, named in the press as a suspected murderer. What the fek must his family be going through.
TTmonkey said:
Its an arrest under suspicion of murder. I'd suggest that if this happened to you you'd be devastated. If the truck driver hasn't been involved other than picking it up from the port and driving it to the final location then some utter c**t of a policeman needs to be issuing him with a fekin grovelling apology.
Calm yourself down a bit.I wouldn't want you at my side in an emergency.
red_slr said:
The blame rests with the driver. Its his responsibility simple as that. That is assuming he picked up the trailer at the origin. Given he has been arrested I suspect that is going to be the case, because if he was simply trunking the trailer from A to B after it arrived in the UK he would just be interviewed one would presume.
Really? When I used to do a bit of moonlighting from my day job I often drove for a supermarket from one of the dist. centres. The trailers were sealed and the 'code' had to match when I got to the supermarket, if it didn't there was serious questions to answer.
I also picked up containers and/or trailers from ports and there was no way the driver could know what was inside.
ambuletz said:
i4got said:
poo at Paul's said:
Sounds very suss to be pulling into an industrial estate 20 mins from collection at 130 am having travelled what, 8 hours to get there?
Bulgarian registered truck too.
Maybe a bad smell?Bulgarian registered truck too.
Wouldn't a CO2 alarm (or a low oxygen one) be a sensible install in semi trailers?
That way, if you have people hiding in the back, after a few hours the alarm goes off and the driver can stop and "save" them. Or, if the driver is in on the deal, then he has to tamper with the co2 alarm, which can be checked......
That way, if you have people hiding in the back, after a few hours the alarm goes off and the driver can stop and "save" them. Or, if the driver is in on the deal, then he has to tamper with the co2 alarm, which can be checked......
TTmonkey said:
If the guy has had the trailer to thirty odd minutes, and has called the emergency services to alert them of this utter horrid disaster, arresting him for murder and STILL detaining him 15 hours later smacks of incompetent policing to me.
What happened to ‘helping police with their enquiries?’. Do they not do that anymore? Or is it ‘arrest him for murder so we can search for any other reason to do him’?
What grounds do they have of suspecting him of murder anyway if he didn’t bring the trailer accross the channel? When you arrest someone you have to have grounds to suspect them of the offence that you are arresting them for don’t you. I don’t see how anyone could think this driver is involved in people smuggling and subsequent murder of these people if the trailer was brought accross the channel by means other than him towing it, and they seem to already know that this isn’t the case. If he was a people smuggler he’d have left the scene not called the emergency services.
He’s going to be traumatised by finding these bodies, and traumatised by being arrested on suspicion of murder. It would seem he’s done nothing wrong and done exactly the right thing on discovering these bodies. And he gets treated as if he’s some kind of monster.
Or is it that they treat all lorry drivers as murderers and are just playing the odds here....?
No wonder people are reluctant to help the police in this country these days.
25 year old lorry driver, named in the press as a suspected murderer. What the fek must his family be going through.
Well fWhat happened to ‘helping police with their enquiries?’. Do they not do that anymore? Or is it ‘arrest him for murder so we can search for any other reason to do him’?
What grounds do they have of suspecting him of murder anyway if he didn’t bring the trailer accross the channel? When you arrest someone you have to have grounds to suspect them of the offence that you are arresting them for don’t you. I don’t see how anyone could think this driver is involved in people smuggling and subsequent murder of these people if the trailer was brought accross the channel by means other than him towing it, and they seem to already know that this isn’t the case. If he was a people smuggler he’d have left the scene not called the emergency services.
He’s going to be traumatised by finding these bodies, and traumatised by being arrested on suspicion of murder. It would seem he’s done nothing wrong and done exactly the right thing on discovering these bodies. And he gets treated as if he’s some kind of monster.
Or is it that they treat all lorry drivers as murderers and are just playing the odds here....?
No wonder people are reluctant to help the police in this country these days.
25 year old lorry driver, named in the press as a suspected murderer. What the fek must his family be going through.
k me Colombo has arrived. Quick, get yourself down there and tell them they're doing it all wrong!!!
Art0ir said:
nikaiyo2 said:
Terrible that this happens.
Why are Irish (or any for that matter) firms registering vehicles in Bulgaria?
Tax and insurance costs.Why are Irish (or any for that matter) firms registering vehicles in Bulgaria?
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