Who Will replace Jeremy Corbyn as Labour Leader
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paulrockliffe said:
abzmike said:
Of course you can say 'they should have been more principled', but maybe they knew the day would come that they would have an opportunity to change the direction of the party.
Except if they'd all acted on principle Corbyn would have been removed as an electoral problem years ago.Ultimately all of them will be undermined by their support for Corbyn, none of them will win an election from a starting position of zero credibility.
But, the unions and grassroots did so they were snookered
abzmike said:
kev1974 said:
The reality is that a week ago, all of the listed numpties were loudly and repeatedly telling us how great Corbyn and the party's policies were.
None of them appeared on QT with Fiona or GMB with Piers and said that the leadership or direction was in any way wrong.
Now they want to u-turn and tell us they will be different. So either they are out and out liars by definition, or they are all just going to be more of the same, and drag the party further into the swamp of oblivion.
They are all completely complicit in the continuation and idolisation of Corbyn and McDonnell.
Whichever one of them takes over will just lead the party to another failure in December 2024, and it will take someone new who's just been elected in 2019 to start banging a different drum, manage to stay in their seat in 2024, and then take over in the inevitable leadership election in January 2025.
To be fair to them, they could hardly slag off thier own leadership in the midst of the election campaign - They need jobs as much as the rest of us. Chukka and co did speak out and leave, and where are most of them now? Momentum has had (and still has) such a stranglehold in the leadership and NEC, publically resisting would have been futile in any case. Tory dissenters were kicked out, exactly the same would have happened to opponents of Corbyn and co. Of course you can say 'they should have been more principled', but maybe they knew the day would come that they would have an opportunity to change the direction of the party.None of them appeared on QT with Fiona or GMB with Piers and said that the leadership or direction was in any way wrong.
Now they want to u-turn and tell us they will be different. So either they are out and out liars by definition, or they are all just going to be more of the same, and drag the party further into the swamp of oblivion.
They are all completely complicit in the continuation and idolisation of Corbyn and McDonnell.
Whichever one of them takes over will just lead the party to another failure in December 2024, and it will take someone new who's just been elected in 2019 to start banging a different drum, manage to stay in their seat in 2024, and then take over in the inevitable leadership election in January 2025.
Does anyone know if I was to join a political party would I lose my right to vote in the Labour leader vote via my union, I know you get kicked out of parties if you join others and they find out but unsure if it counts for union membership, thinking about joining a party but still want to have my fun and help Labour on their way, I can delay joining (if I do at all) until after the election no problem though.
wiggy001 said:
If they are principled they should stay and try to reform Momentum from the inside...
Momentum has reformed the party and does not need reform itself. All we need is to take a few more steps then the public will follow, the country will fight the Tory's when the see how far right they are. Dont like rolls said:
Momentum has reformed the party and does not need reform itself. All we need is to take a few more steps then the public will follow, the country will fight the Tory's when the see how far right they are.
So is Momentum more important than the party?They have offered the electorate a set of proposals that have been soundly rejected. Trying to ram them down voters throats isn’t going to work.
abzmike said:
So is Momentum more important than the party?
They have offered the electorate a set of proposals that have been soundly rejected. Trying to ram them down voters throats isn’t going to work.
Momentum is a vital "think pump" for the party, it keeps it fresh, it keeps it on track despite the Tory press attacks.They have offered the electorate a set of proposals that have been soundly rejected. Trying to ram them down voters throats isn’t going to work.
Only Alt-Right press have been "ramming lies" in peoples ears.
Dont like rolls said:
abzmike said:
So is Momentum more important than the party?
They have offered the electorate a set of proposals that have been soundly rejected. Trying to ram them down voters throats isn’t going to work.
Momentum is a vital "think pump" for the party, it keeps it 1960's / 1970's Mainstream Labour, it keeps it on track despite the Tory press attacks.They have offered the electorate a set of proposals that have been soundly rejected. Trying to ram them down voters throats isn’t going to work.
Only Alt-Right press have been "ramming lies" in peoples ears.
Dont like rolls said:
abzmike said:
So is Momentum more important than the party?
They have offered the electorate a set of proposals that have been soundly rejected. Trying to ram them down voters throats isn’t going to work.
Momentum is a vital "think pump" for the party, it keeps it fresh, it keeps it on track despite the Tory press attacks.They have offered the electorate a set of proposals that have been soundly rejected. Trying to ram them down voters throats isn’t going to work.
Only Alt-Right press have been "ramming lies" in peoples ears.
When you don’t even speak the same language as the electorate what hope do you have they'll vote for you ?
Dont like rolls said:
Momentum is a vital "think pump" for the party, it keeps it fresh, it keeps it on track despite the Tory press attacks.
Only Alt-Right press have been "ramming lies" in peoples ears.
I didn’t say anything about “lies”... I was referring to policies the electorate won’t accept.Only Alt-Right press have been "ramming lies" in peoples ears.
abzmike said:
There is little dissenting MPs could have done apart from resign en-masse.
He's a hint. That was the principled response.If all those that opposed Corbyn took that approach he would not have survived. They didn't, they got smashed.
I can understand why they didn't, but that's the bed they have to lie in now. There's no, oh there was nothing we could do about it. They all asked us to put Corbyn in Number 10 despite not thinking he should be anywhere near. That reflects on them and their principles.
Dont like rolls said:
abzmike said:
I didn’t say anything about “lies”... I was referring to policies the electorate won’t accept.
Those policy's were basically lied about by the BBC (Kungsburg and her Alt-Right drones)....1.5 trillion, was that on a Big Red Bus ?How about getting out of your echo chamber & looking in the mirror.
Labour retreat into Tories are fascists is as insulting as it is predictable
I see they're starting on here with their revisionist comfort blanket and utterly untruthful ballocks.
As for Thornberry as leader, bring it on, we could write the Conservative campaign now. An increasingly working-class Conservative Party taking on the pro-Remain Islington Left that mocked the working-class. Thornberry would be toast,
5 MORE YEARS! 5 MORE YEARS! 5 MORE YEARS!
You can hear the chants now.
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I see they're starting on here with their revisionist comfort blanket and utterly untruthful ballocks.
As for Thornberry as leader, bring it on, we could write the Conservative campaign now. An increasingly working-class Conservative Party taking on the pro-Remain Islington Left that mocked the working-class. Thornberry would be toast,
5 MORE YEARS! 5 MORE YEARS! 5 MORE YEARS!
You can hear the chants now.
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Edited by FiF on Wednesday 18th December 21:57
I've just watched today's edition of Politics Live, and my word, what a colossal moron Richard Burgon truly is! He has a terrible habit of refusing to say either "yes" or "no" even when asked simple questions.
It's almost like this:
Me: hey Richard, one week until Christmas Day then
Richard Burgon: well, yesterday it was eight days and tomorrow it'll be six days
Me: but you would agree that as of now there's seven days to Christmas Day?
RB: but the wider question is whether we should be counting the days at all - days are a right wing construct peddled by The Sun newspaper...........
I think that he thinks such an approach makes him look clever or something. He's wrong, he just looks like a bloke with the intellect of my cat.
Surely even Becky Long-Bailey can see that he's be a liability as a deputy leader?
It's almost like this:
Me: hey Richard, one week until Christmas Day then
Richard Burgon: well, yesterday it was eight days and tomorrow it'll be six days
Me: but you would agree that as of now there's seven days to Christmas Day?
RB: but the wider question is whether we should be counting the days at all - days are a right wing construct peddled by The Sun newspaper...........
I think that he thinks such an approach makes him look clever or something. He's wrong, he just looks like a bloke with the intellect of my cat.
Surely even Becky Long-Bailey can see that he's be a liability as a deputy leader?
Pan Pan Pan said:
Is it still the case that Rebecca Wrong Daily has put herself into the leadership race?, She does seem a bit lightweight, but I suppose anyone would, when compared to Thornberry 
you heard right. RLB as leader and big brain Burgon as deputy.It's a bizarre situation really. They just refuse to take note of what happened last week
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