Coronavirus - the killer flu that will wipe us out? (Vol. 7)
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turbobloke said:
andymadmak said:
bodhi said:
Found a slightly more wordy version on the Spectator: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-are-some-p...
And a good read on The Critic also: https://thecritic.co.uk/stay-alert-because-we-fear...
"Why are some pretending to be baffled by Boris’s announcement?"
It could be because they voted Labour and lost badly, or voted Remain and became bad losers, or indeed both. Boris was the winner in both cases.
Before anybody self-identifies, correlation isn't causation.
Your absolutism is getting boring.
You sound like someone who would prefer to live in a one party (new-Tory, populist) state.
When you play football do you just leave the ball at home?
Edited by markyb_lcy on Monday 11th May 13:00
sim72 said:
Head of the IFS on R5 this morning saying that he estimates the furlough take-up was twice the number of people that the Government expected.
When asked how yesterday's advice changed things about going to work, he said that they actually weren't any different "but they'd just been said with a different tone".
Just quoting that point for Munter as a good example where the economic cost is more than was originally expected. When asked how yesterday's advice changed things about going to work, he said that they actually weren't any different "but they'd just been said with a different tone".
Red 4 said:
Jeez, give it a rest.
You are coming across as a fanatical Tory apologist on this thread and all the others.
People are baffled by Boris' speech because large elements of it do not make sense.
This government are the masters of mixed messages. They do not do clarity.
Try to keep up.
If you found the previous messages mixed. It's no surprise you'd struggle with this one. You are coming across as a fanatical Tory apologist on this thread and all the others.
People are baffled by Boris' speech because large elements of it do not make sense.
This government are the masters of mixed messages. They do not do clarity.
Try to keep up.
You appear to be the one struggling to keep up though so...last comment a bit ironic?
Assuming you avoid/don't take as gospel the utter speculative drivel made up by the press, and stick to what the Gov actually says. It's all quite clear now, and has been previously. That you don't like that, and want to believe it's all smoke/mirrors/lies/complex etc, doesn't stop it being true.
sim72 said:
Head of the IFS on R5 this morning saying that he estimates the furlough take-up was twice the number of people that the Government expected.
When asked how yesterday's advice changed things about going to work, he said that they actually weren't any different "but they'd just been said with a different tone".
The scheme was too generous to business so that isn't a surprise.When asked how yesterday's advice changed things about going to work, he said that they actually weren't any different "but they'd just been said with a different tone".
Free money from the government or struggle on, probably making a loss ? Easy decision.
Government have realised the costs are astronomical (much, much more than they expected), have s
t themselves and need everyone back at work yesterday.I thought this was made pretty clear by Boris' speech last night.
Raab's playing a blinder here. Tells breakfast TV that it's OK to see both of your parents at the same time if you're 2m apart outside, and No.10 has to clarify "er, actually that's not the case". Then in his next interview says people should "be going back to work on Wednesday". No Dom, Wednesday was unlimited exercising.
I mean - there's a lot of politicians I don't like, but even if I virulently disagree with them I don't assume it's because they're completely incompetent. Raab, however ....
I mean - there's a lot of politicians I don't like, but even if I virulently disagree with them I don't assume it's because they're completely incompetent. Raab, however ....
EddieSteadyGo said:
sim72 said:
Head of the IFS on R5 this morning saying that he estimates the furlough take-up was twice the number of people that the Government expected.
When asked how yesterday's advice changed things about going to work, he said that they actually weren't any different "but they'd just been said with a different tone".
Just quoting that point for Munter as a good example where the economic cost is more than was originally expected. When asked how yesterday's advice changed things about going to work, he said that they actually weren't any different "but they'd just been said with a different tone".
That it's twice the number expected is a sort of good news, compared to the alternative. It seems like they might actually believe they need the employees.
There's a sign at the junction for the M6 near us that says:
"STAY ALERT. AVOID SHUNT ACCIDENTS"
Well, I thought "Stay Alert" wasn't clear enough. Alert to what? The trees at the side of the road? The motorway bridge? Pedestrians? And "shunt accidents" wasn't a term I've ever seen used anywhere else. Far too woolly. What is a shunt accident? Shunting what? What is shunting as an action? I haven't seen it defined in a dictionary.
Anyway, I was musing on all of this, with tremendous anger at the local authority for their stupid sign then...
... I drove into the back of the car in front.
"STAY ALERT. AVOID SHUNT ACCIDENTS"
Well, I thought "Stay Alert" wasn't clear enough. Alert to what? The trees at the side of the road? The motorway bridge? Pedestrians? And "shunt accidents" wasn't a term I've ever seen used anywhere else. Far too woolly. What is a shunt accident? Shunting what? What is shunting as an action? I haven't seen it defined in a dictionary.
Anyway, I was musing on all of this, with tremendous anger at the local authority for their stupid sign then...
... I drove into the back of the car in front.
EddieSteadyGo said:
edh said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
The good news is that it seems like it won't go up for long. Stockholm tested their population at ~10% with antibodies at the end of March. Their R value was around 1. They currently have around 25% with antibodies , but they R is now slowing right down - .
Do we actually know this yet?I haven't seen the tests results which underpin the statistic, but then neither we have for figures given by Patrick Vallance.
Red 4 said:
The scheme was too generous to business so that isn't a surprise.
If it had been meaner, you'd be saying it was leaving people in poverty. If Corbyn were doing it, you'd love it, and your equal and opposite numbers on the myopic, knee-jerking partisan right would be accusing him of implementing communism.
Tiresome.
otolith said:
Red 4 said:
The scheme was too generous to business so that isn't a surprise.
If it had been meaner, you'd be saying it was leaving people in poverty. If Corbyn were doing it, you'd love it, and your equal and opposite numbers on the myopic, knee-jerking partisan right would be accusing him of implementing communism.
Tiresome.
El stovey said:
Yet you’re banging on about the tweets you agree with and happy to quote the comments section from the spectator etc?
It’s just the tweets you disagree with that are part of the echo chamber and the media and comments you don’t like that are part of the vexation problem.
If Twitter was dominated by people you agreed with you’d be lauding it as representing public opinion with graphs and everything.
Theres nothing inherently wrong with pointing out echo chambers for what they are. For instance here is very much a Conservative one for the most part. Twitter/Facebook/Imgur/Reddit are extreme Labour/‘Liberal’ [perceived] echo chambers. The key is to absorb your information from multiple sources and come to a reasonable conclusion off the evidence. We all fall into our own biases (I get far too riled up seeing political posts on FB compared to here for instance), but what I have noticed is that the Labour supported echo chambers are the ones which are most rabid, aggressive and ignorant to other viewpoints. Within PH the ridicule isnt necessarily driven at all of the policies of the ‘other side’ no matter what, but at the more pie in the sky ones and the sheer incompetence of individuals such as Miss Two Left Feet.It’s just the tweets you disagree with that are part of the echo chamber and the media and comments you don’t like that are part of the vexation problem.
If Twitter was dominated by people you agreed with you’d be lauding it as representing public opinion with graphs and everything.
ToastMan76 said:
Twitter/Facebook/Imgur/Reddit are extreme Labour/‘Liberal’ [perceived] echo chambers.
I disagree with this statement. I think they all provide whatever echo chamber you want them to (based on who you follow, friend, subscribe to etc) ... this is the very definition of an echo chamber. I do agree though that PH (which has a much narrower remit) is more of a right-of-centre echo chamber than anything else though. There is constant vilification of anything left-of-centre.
Edited by markyb_lcy on Monday 11th May 13:32
edh said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
edh said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
The good news is that it seems like it won't go up for long. Stockholm tested their population at ~10% with antibodies at the end of March. Their R value was around 1. They currently have around 25% with antibodies , but they R is now slowing right down - .
Do we actually know this yet?I haven't seen the tests results which underpin the statistic, but then neither we have for figures given by Patrick Vallance.
Wacky Racer said:
Not surprising really. There is always going to be an initial rush. I imagine it will calm over the coming days and weeks. Not worth making a big thing out of imo.sim72 said:
Raab's playing a blinder here. Tells breakfast TV that it's OK to see both of your parents at the same time if you're 2m apart outside, and No.10 has to clarify "er, actually that's not the case". Then in his next interview says people should "be going back to work on Wednesday". No Dom, Wednesday was unlimited exercising.
I mean - there's a lot of politicians I don't like, but even if I virulently disagree with them I don't assume it's because they're completely incompetent. Raab, however ....
I can now meet my Mum, if she remains a minimum of two metres away from me. But if my Dad has accompanied my Mum on the trip, I understand can’t meet him. So have far away from us does he need to stand to avoid being classed as part of the gathering? It clearly has to be greater distance than the 2m distance my Mum has to maintain. Is 5m acceptable? Or 10m? 50m? I mean - there's a lot of politicians I don't like, but even if I virulently disagree with them I don't assume it's because they're completely incompetent. Raab, however ....
sim72 said:
Today's press conference is 7pm with Boris. After this morning he probably doesn't trust any of his minions.
Nor the minions trusting him in front of the press by all accounts, public Q+A only. Back to normal tomorrow when Bojo is not at risk of dropping the script?Journo's are getting briefed instead.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/may/11...
Edit. Speeelinhg mistooks sorted
Edited by Zirconia on Monday 11th May 13:55
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