CV19 - The Anti Vaxxers Are Back

[otolith]

Oh look, pestilence enthusiasts.

[mcdjl]

WinstonWolf said:

I'm guessing you think the same thing about mountain climbers? Just leave them in a crumpled heap at the bottom the selfish bds.

Not at all. If the whole of the population took up mountain climbing it would be much healthier. There will be some that will have accidents (that roughly equates to those on whom the vaccine doesn't work) but on the whole most mountain climbers will take responsibility for themselves and those around them.

[mx5nut]

Hoofy said:

mx5nut said:

grumbledoak said:

What's the survival rate of COVID-19? 99.9996%?

I'll not be rushing for a shiny new vaccine with those odds.

Permanent lung damage will still put you in the survivors camp.

Yes. I wish people would publish data on this. I don't mind death. It's the permanent scarring that means you cannot live the life you want to live (unless it mostly involves sitting on your couch doing fk all) and maybe going upstairs once a day because that's too tiring.

My gardener can only work for about 2 hours a day now; any longer and he's off for a week recovering from fatigue. He was mega active before CV19.

This will likely be just as horrifying as the death toll once this is over.

[Oakey]

mx5nut said:

This will likely be just as horrifying as the death toll once this is over.

These people probably just need more of that 'personal responsibility', that'll sort it

https://news.sky.com/story/long-term-covid-warning...

[mx5nut]

WinstonWolf said:

mx5nut said:

WinstonWolf said:

mx5nut said:

WinstonWolf said:

Shouldn't they be taking personal responsibility for their own welfare?

Modern Britain distilled in to a sentence.

Do you not believe in taking responsibility for your own welfare then?

Mine and others. Like a grown up in a civilised society should.

So you trust the British public to behave with consideration for your welfare at all times?

Good luck with that. I hate to break this to you, you'll either be disappointed or infected.

I'm also guessing you don't look when you cross the road as the driver is responsible for your welfare? Me, I look both ways...

I'm not sure what point you think you're making.

That we shouldn't look out for other peoples' welfare because not every single person looks our for ours?

That's not how I live my life.

[WinstonWolf]

mx5nut said:

WinstonWolf said:

mx5nut said:

WinstonWolf said:

mx5nut said:

WinstonWolf said:

Shouldn't they be taking personal responsibility for their own welfare?

Modern Britain distilled in to a sentence.

Do you not believe in taking responsibility for your own welfare then?

Mine and others. Like a grown up in a civilised society should.

So you trust the British public to behave with consideration for your welfare at all times?

Good luck with that. I hate to break this to you, you'll either be disappointed or infected.

I'm also guessing you don't look when you cross the road as the driver is responsible for your welfare? Me, I look both ways...

I'm not sure what point you think you're making.

That we shouldn't look out for other peoples' welfare because not every single person looks our for ours?

That's not how I live my life.

Well done you, that's very laudable. You know all the drunks in spoons that you no doubt think are idiots, they're the people you're staking your health on. I'll stick to taking responsibility for my own welfare thanks.

[BevR]

WinstonWolf said:

I trusted my surgeon as that's what he does. I wouldn't trust you to do the same thing.

If you put your trust in me you're an idiot. Look after yourself, take some responsibility, I'm not your mum.

Why do you trust a surgeon trained to perform surgery but not a scientist trained to research and design vaccines?

[TVR1]

Vanden Saab said:

Please name a single vaccine that is 100% efficient. On the basis that there is not a single one, why, knowing this, would those at risk not take extra precautions. You seem to be under the misconception that vaccination makes everybody who has had it immune, at best it will be under 85%. Would you go and see your granny who has had a flu jab if you had the flu or a bad cold and risk giving it to them or would you stay away because you might give it to her despite her vaccination?

Well, you know this stuff is fairly easy to look up? Even if you don't that much of an interest. Varicellla vaccine is 100% effective against severe cases.

Polio runs at 98% if the correct doses given.

MMR runs at about the same if the 2 doses are administered.

In addition, theres some serious research going on at the moment regarding the ‘dampening’ effect of the severity of Covid 19 against various age groups after MMR vaccine. Looking at a brief timeline, it may very well be a coincidence but it would be interesting to discover if the deaths in the younger population, where also those who weren't vaccinated.

Measles was 1st vaccinated against in 1963

Improved version in ‘68

MMR became compulsory in ‘88 within a few weeks of birth and a follow up 12 months later.


https://asm.org/Press-Releases/2020/MMR-Vaccine-Co...

Edited by TVR1 on Tuesday 7th July 16:24

[WinstonWolf]

BevR said:

WinstonWolf said:

I trusted my surgeon as that's what he does. I wouldn't trust you to do the same thing.

If you put your trust in me you're an idiot. Look after yourself, take some responsibility, I'm not your mum.

Why do you trust a surgeon trained to perform surgery but not a scientist trained to research and design vaccines?

I don't currently need the flu vaccine. I'm guessing everyone who is critical already takes it for the benefit of others? We had 50k excess deaths in 2018, why were people not stepping up to protect the vulnerable then?

I'll let the Karen's take it first, once they've done the field testing it'll be perfectly safe when I may see a benefit from it.

[mx5nut]

BevR said:

WinstonWolf said:

I trusted my surgeon as that's what he does. I wouldn't trust you to do the same thing.

If you put your trust in me you're an idiot. Look after yourself, take some responsibility, I'm not your mum.

Why do you trust a surgeon trained to perform surgery but not a scientist trained to research and design vaccines?

There aren't any shady social media misinformation campaigns encouraging people to distrust surgeons.

[WinstonWolf]

mx5nut said:

BevR said:

WinstonWolf said:

I trusted my surgeon as that's what he does. I wouldn't trust you to do the same thing.

If you put your trust in me you're an idiot. Look after yourself, take some responsibility, I'm not your mum.

Why do you trust a surgeon trained to perform surgery but not a scientist trained to research and design vaccines?

There aren't any shady social media misinformation campaigns encouraging people to distrust surgeons.

I've had every vaccine going to date, I'll have this one when there's a benefit for me taking it and it's been proved safe.

[Gadgetmac]

mx5nut said:

BevR said:

WinstonWolf said:

I trusted my surgeon as that's what he does. I wouldn't trust you to do the same thing.

If you put your trust in me you're an idiot. Look after yourself, take some responsibility, I'm not your mum.

Why do you trust a surgeon trained to perform surgery but not a scientist trained to research and design vaccines?

There aren't any shady social media misinformation campaigns encouraging people to distrust surgeons.

Exactly.

Well that and 'I have my good given right to refuse immunisation regardless of the outcome for others should I pass it on to them...fk 'em...they should be looking out for themselves regardless of whether that's possible or not!'.

Libertarianism writ large.

[mcdjl]

WinstonWolf said:

I've had every vaccine going to date, I'll have this one when there's a benefit for me taking it and it's been proved safe.

I'm glad not everyones as selfish as you, the worlds a better place for it.

[s2art]

Gadgetmac said:

mx5nut said:

BevR said:

WinstonWolf said:

I trusted my surgeon as that's what he does. I wouldn't trust you to do the same thing.

If you put your trust in me you're an idiot. Look after yourself, take some responsibility, I'm not your mum.

Why do you trust a surgeon trained to perform surgery but not a scientist trained to research and design vaccines?

There aren't any shady social media misinformation campaigns encouraging people to distrust surgeons.

Exactly.

Well that and 'I have my good given right to refuse immunisation regardless of the outcome for others should I pass it on to them...fk 'em...they should be looking out for themselves regardless of whether that's possible or not!'.

Libertarianism writ large.

I think even Ayn Rand wouldnt take it that far.

[stitched]

Gadgetmac said:

mx5nut said:

BevR said:

WinstonWolf said:

I trusted my surgeon as that's what he does. I wouldn't trust you to do the same thing.

If you put your trust in me you're an idiot. Look after yourself, take some responsibility, I'm not your mum.

Why do you trust a surgeon trained to perform surgery but not a scientist trained to research and design vaccines?

There aren't any shady social media misinformation campaigns encouraging people to distrust surgeons.

Exactly.

Well that and 'I have my good given right to refuse immunisation regardless of the outcome for others should I pass it on to them...fk 'em...they should be looking out for themselves regardless of whether that's possible or not!'.

Libertarianism writ large.

As opposed to?

[gregs656]

I see the lunatics have taken over the asylum.

[s2art]

gregs656 said:

I see the lunatics have taken over the asylum.

Lets be generous. Just the hard of thinking.

[Taylor James]

mcdjl said:

WinstonWolf said:

So you trust the British public to behave with consideration for your welfare at all times?

Good luck with that. I hate to break this to you, you'll either be disappointed or infected.

I'm also guessing you don't look when you cross the road as the driver is responsible for your welfare? Me, I look both ways...

I have slightly more faith in the british public than you, yet i still look both ways even a zebra crossings. Thats because despite the law saying that i as a pedestrian have right of way there are still selfish morons around.
As i said earlier, if people refuse the vaccine for covid, they should also sign a form saying they don't want treatment for it. After all the chances are so small....

How about extending that logic to drinkers signing a disclaimer that they don't get dialysis or a transplant, yachtspeople waiving their rights to rescue, smokers that they don't want a lung transplant or other treatment and gamers being ineligible for RSI treatment? After all, the chances aren't so small...

Edited by Taylor James on Tuesday 7th July 17:01

[WinstonWolf]

Gadgetmac said:

mx5nut said:

BevR said:

WinstonWolf said:

I trusted my surgeon as that's what he does. I wouldn't trust you to do the same thing.

If you put your trust in me you're an idiot. Look after yourself, take some responsibility, I'm not your mum.

Why do you trust a surgeon trained to perform surgery but not a scientist trained to research and design vaccines?

There aren't any shady social media misinformation campaigns encouraging people to distrust surgeons.

Exactly.

Well that and 'I have my good given right to refuse immunisation regardless of the outcome for others should I pass it on to them...fk 'em...they should be looking out for themselves regardless of whether that's possible or not!'.

Libertarianism writ large.

You could, of course, simply accept responsibility for your own welfare.

[s2art]

WinstonWolf said:

You could, of course, simply accept responsibility for your own welfare.

Most do. Most also accept they have a civic duty (such as paying their taxes, respecting the law etc)