If masks become compulsory in shops.
Poll: If masks become compulsory in shops.
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Discussion
PositronicRay said:
xjay1337 said:
Funk said:
Brave Fart said:
Funk said:
Brave Fart said:
My reasons:
There's not a SINGLE good reason there. Not one. We already have 44,000 people dead. America has over 130,000 dead (and going up FAST). But you like a little smile, so what's a slew of dead bodies in comparison.- I find them damp and sweaty, really unpleasant.
- I think it is important to see people's facial expressions, and most importantly, smiles. It's part of being human.
- Once implemented, there's a danger they'll become permanent.
- I object to being told what to do by the state for something so marginal; I dislike the nanny state I suppose.
- There's something dystopian about masks; to me they convey danger and fear, slightly sinister.
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ksake, I despair, I really do.Face coverings would have made, and will make, zero difference to any outcomes, in my opinion. You'll disagree, but then, the scientists are divided too, are they not? So we have that in common.
Did I say anything about my opinion?
I simply said that the anger at someone on a Forum sharing an opinion different to yours is pretty childish.
Same as saying "tinfoil hat".
Can someone explain something to me - if masks are so important, why have we need had stories of droves of shop workers dying of COVID-19? Certainly most I have seen have not been wearing masks, or particularly adhering to social distancing. Yet they aren't dying or falling ill in their hundreds. I asked a checkout assistant at a particularly busy Tesco where one way systems and social distancing were entirely ignored whether she knew many colleagues who were falling ill - she knew none.
I am not a typical right-wing PH director type, I generally hold fairly liberal left wing views. But I just can't accept that masks are that important when it was only a few months ago we were being told NOT to wear them as they had no impact on the spread of COVID19 and the evidence does not suggest that COVID19 is that dangerous or virulent.
I am not a typical right-wing PH director type, I generally hold fairly liberal left wing views. But I just can't accept that masks are that important when it was only a few months ago we were being told NOT to wear them as they had no impact on the spread of COVID19 and the evidence does not suggest that COVID19 is that dangerous or virulent.
xjay1337 said:
You seem very frustrated. His opinion is different to yours - what's wrong in that?
Thank you, xjay; saved me typing exactly that. Funk, you know perfectly well this is a divisive issue, and surely you accept that the "experts" are divided too? Neither of us can prove they are right. Perhaps that's why you swear and use emojis, and I don't?RDMcG said:
It it true that mask-wearing in the UK is about 25%?...amazingly low if so. Mandatory here in Toronto in all indoor public spaces. We are seeing very few new cases.
Must be about 2% in my London suburb, don't see anyone wearing masks. Yet the hospitals are not overflowing ...PrinceRupert said:
But I just can't accept that masks are that important when it was only a few months ago we were being told NOT to wear them as they had no impact on the spread of COVID19 and the evidence does not suggest that COVID19 is that dangerous or virulent.
Yeah but since then loads of people died.PositronicRay said:
What's with this mask thing becoming permanent, which tinfoil hat are you wearing?
No tinfoil hat. If you see the need for a mask now, why do you think there wont be a need in 1, 2, 10 years time? As explained in hundreds of scientific papers, there will never be a vaccine for this virus, at least not an entirely effective one. Theres no magic pill for the virus to just ‘disappear’. Like it or not, the virus is here forever so we need to learn to live with it. xjay1337 said:
Funk said:
Brave Fart said:
Funk said:
Brave Fart said:
My reasons:
There's not a SINGLE good reason there. Not one. We already have 44,000 people dead. America has over 130,000 dead (and going up FAST). But you like a little smile, so what's a slew of dead bodies in comparison.- I find them damp and sweaty, really unpleasant.
- I think it is important to see people's facial expressions, and most importantly, smiles. It's part of being human.
- Once implemented, there's a danger they'll become permanent.
- I object to being told what to do by the state for something so marginal; I dislike the nanny state I suppose.
- There's something dystopian about masks; to me they convey danger and fear, slightly sinister.
f
ksake, I despair, I really do.Face coverings would have made, and will make, zero difference to any outcomes, in my opinion. You'll disagree, but then, the scientists are divided too, are they not? So we have that in common.
We are already seeing the consequences of no masks and things reopening over in the United States. 40 hospitals in Florida now have no ICU beds available (and that means even emergency non-covid cases have nowhere to go) and again have just set a new daily infection record (15,299 in a day).
Of course I'm frustrated that someone's objections on the grounds of '...seeing facial expressions..' are ridiculous when this is all about preventing huge upswings in infection rates. It's borderline absurd in fact.
There are vanishingly few reasons not to wear masks - and if you're someone for whom wearing a mask presents a significant medical risk then you shouldn't be out there wandering around in the middle of a respiratory virus pandemic in the first place.
ToastMan76 said:
No tinfoil hat. If you see the need for a mask now, why do you think there wont be a need in 1, 2, 10 years time? As explained in hundreds of scientific papers, there will never be a vaccine for this virus, at least not an entirely effective one. Theres no magic pill for the virus to just ‘disappear’. Like it or not, the virus is here forever so we need to learn to live with it.
Just as we live with the other four coronaviruses that make up the subset of the common cold and hopefully the lethality of this one will decline as well.Bearing in mind that there is a theory that when the fourth of the existing Coronaviruses emerged in 1890 it killed a million or so people.
This virus is not unique. We have seen it all before and often with more dangerous viruses. What is unique was our response to it. Collective panic due to an infantilised media and the new amplification of social media. Add to that scientists eager to make their name, with predictions of doom, with their back of the envelope models. A perfect storm and there were very few governments ready to stand against it and follow a rational path.
Edited by JagLover on Monday 13th July 17:59
Funk said:
The scientific evidence shows masks reduce transmission. The best reasons people have come up with for not wearing one so far are 'they're sweaty' or 'I don't want to be controlled by the Government'. Even if the science is wrong - doubtful - the downsides of wearing a mask are minimal. The downsides of NOT wearing one are likely to be significant. For the sake of a piece of fabric and minor inconvenience why wouldn't you look to limit the risk?
We are already seeing the consequences of no masks and things reopening over in the United States. 40 hospitals in Florida now have no ICU beds available (and that means even emergency non-covid cases have nowhere to go) and again have just set a new daily infection record (15,299 in a day).
Of course I'm frustrated that someone's objections on the grounds of '...seeing facial expressions..' are ridiculous when this is all about preventing huge upswings in infection rates. It's borderline absurd in fact.
There are vanishingly few reasons not to wear masks - and if you're someone for whom wearing a mask presents a significant medical risk then you shouldn't be out there wandering around in the middle of a respiratory virus pandemic in the first place.
Funk, you sir are precisely the sort of person who spreads the fear and paranoia we have seen take hold of society in the last few months. You have been brainwashed by the media I'm afraid. 44,000 deaths sounds like a lot doesn't it? Scary perhaps?We are already seeing the consequences of no masks and things reopening over in the United States. 40 hospitals in Florida now have no ICU beds available (and that means even emergency non-covid cases have nowhere to go) and again have just set a new daily infection record (15,299 in a day).
Of course I'm frustrated that someone's objections on the grounds of '...seeing facial expressions..' are ridiculous when this is all about preventing huge upswings in infection rates. It's borderline absurd in fact.
There are vanishingly few reasons not to wear masks - and if you're someone for whom wearing a mask presents a significant medical risk then you shouldn't be out there wandering around in the middle of a respiratory virus pandemic in the first place.
It is until you realise that 180,000 a year, each and every year die prematurely from preventable heart disease. Yet precious little is done about this. Are you also aware of the 35,000 (estimated) cancer deaths that could be directly incurred as a result of the Coronavirus fear induced lockdown? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53300784
The paranoia of people like you, obsessed with the risks of Covid-19 above all else is directly helping to cause these excess deaths. Pandering to people like you is directly damaging our economy. Some people are happy to stay at home in isolation, yet expect others to go out and take risks to deliver their shopping, their Amazon parcels and generally keep the world running (wearing masks of course), whilst they chill out at home.
There is no surer thing in life than death. No point living in fear until we wait for the inevitable. Time to put on your 'big boy pants' and man up
JagLover said:
ToastMan76 said:
No tinfoil hat. If you see the need for a mask now, why do you think there wont be a need in 1, 2, 10 years time? As explained in hundreds of scientific papers, there will never be a vaccine for this virus, at least not an entirely effective one. Theres no magic pill for the virus to just ‘disappear’. Like it or not, the virus is here forever so we need to learn to live with it.
Just as we live with the other four coronaviruses that make up the subset of the common cold and hopefully the lethality of this one will decline as well.Bearing in mind that there is a theory that when the fourth of the existing Coronaviruses emerged in 1890 it killed a million or so people.
This virus is not unique. we have seen it all before and often with more dangerous viruses. What is unique was our response to it. Collective panic due to an infantilised media and the new amplification of social media. add to that scientists eager to make their name with predictions of doom with their back of the envelope models. A perfect storm and there were very few governments ready to stand against it and follow a rational path.
Andy20vt said:
Funk, you sir are precisely the sort of person who spreads the fear and paranoia we have seen take hold of society in the last few months. You have been brainwashed by the media I'm afraid. 44,000 deaths sounds like a lot doesn't it? Scary perhaps?
It is until you realise that 180,000 a year, each and every year die prematurely from preventable heart disease. Yet precious little is done about this. Are you also aware of the 35,000 (estimated) cancer deaths that could be directly incurred as a result of the Coronavirus fear induced lockdown? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53300784
The paranoia of people like you, obsessed with the risks of Covid-19 above all else is directly helping to cause these excess deaths. Pandering to people like you is directly damaging our economy. Some people are happy to stay at home in isolation, yet expect others to go out and take risks to deliver their shopping, their Amazon parcels and generally keep the world running (wearing masks of course), whilst they chill out at home.
There is no surer thing in life than death. No point living in fear until we wait for the inevitable. Time to put on your 'big boy pants' and man up
Your heart disease won't kill other people. You can't infect someone else with your cancer. And we do collectively do things to prevent those deaths - fundraising for research, anti-smoking campaigns etc.It is until you realise that 180,000 a year, each and every year die prematurely from preventable heart disease. Yet precious little is done about this. Are you also aware of the 35,000 (estimated) cancer deaths that could be directly incurred as a result of the Coronavirus fear induced lockdown? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53300784
The paranoia of people like you, obsessed with the risks of Covid-19 above all else is directly helping to cause these excess deaths. Pandering to people like you is directly damaging our economy. Some people are happy to stay at home in isolation, yet expect others to go out and take risks to deliver their shopping, their Amazon parcels and generally keep the world running (wearing masks of course), whilst they chill out at home.
There is no surer thing in life than death. No point living in fear until we wait for the inevitable. Time to put on your 'big boy pants' and man up
The risk with an easily-transmitted and aggressively infectious virus is that it impacts people other than you. You may have a 'I'm not living in fear' attitude and you may well survive just fine but if you unwittingly infect other people around you - and kill them as a result - would it not be prudent to at least take a simple, low-cost, low-inconvenience precaution to prevent that? The irony is that my position of mask-wearing should enable us to get back to 'normality' more quickly rather than remaining hunkered down in our homes.
Of course there is always an element of risk in life but there are things you do to mitigate that risk. It's why, for example, I don't drive the wrong way up a motorway for example.
Edited by Funk on Monday 13th July 18:10
Funk said:
One of the key differences in transmission is the movement of people globally today compared with 1890. We've seen how quickly this went from a town in China to infecting most corners of the world due to ease of movement and the relatively long incubation period where people can unwittingly transmit the virus before having any indication that they're infected.
And despite that it's less deadly than some previous viruses?I see from reading this thread we’re still on the ...
FFS you’re killing people (by leaving the house)
FFS you’re killing people (by getting any closer than 2m)
FFS you’re killing people (by going to the pub after they reopened)
FFS you’re killing people (by planning to go on holiday)
FFS you’re killing people (for not wanting to wear a mask in public for what will be the rest of your life in reality)
I’m glad that covid is now the only source of death or disease. When we all have masks and don’t go anywhere or do anything pleasurable we will live forever..
FFS you’re killing people (by leaving the house)
FFS you’re killing people (by getting any closer than 2m)
FFS you’re killing people (by going to the pub after they reopened)
FFS you’re killing people (by planning to go on holiday)
FFS you’re killing people (for not wanting to wear a mask in public for what will be the rest of your life in reality)
I’m glad that covid is now the only source of death or disease. When we all have masks and don’t go anywhere or do anything pleasurable we will live forever..
Funk said:
The scientific evidence shows masks reduce transmission.
I am sure the science does and I do not dispute that. IF MADE FROM THE CORRECT MATERIAL AND/OR CORRECTLY USED. For how many of the masks worn by the general public will that be the case? Funk said:
We are already seeing the consequences of no masks and things reopening over in the United States. 40 hospitals in Florida now have no ICU beds available (and that means even emergency non-covid cases have nowhere to go) and again have just set a new daily infection record (15,299 in a day).
Not sure of the connection with no mask wearing. It is very simple in places like this and Israel. They didn't have a proper initial outbreak and now they are getting it. That is it, no mystery, no evil non-mask wearers ruining it for everyone. You can hide from the virus for a bit but sooner or later it will emerge when the conditions are right. In the southern states the right time is now because everyone is indoors in air conditioned spaces. For more northerly countries it will likely remerge with the usual cold and Flu season. Except the places where they have had sufficient infection to reach some sort of immunity.
vixen1700 said:
cml24 said:
Which specific masks have people bought?
Been wearing this tabby cat one on the tube/buses the last couple of times I've used them.
Quite a nice quality feel to it.
edited for a better picture.
Edited by vixen1700 on Monday 13th July 16:49
If people don’t want to wear a mask then that’s fine, at the moment that is completely up to then. But I hope they are not the same people that moan about the death of the high street in middle England? The death will surely come a lot quicker if people are too stubborn to put on a mask to visit a shop. Yes, most things can be done online, but isn’t it slightly hypocritical to use a human element like “I like to see people smile” etc for your arguments against if your refusal, and the refusal of others means you won’t actually go out to meet anyone anyway.
Seems mad how a bit of cloth can invoke such strong reactions. Seems like we’re getting closer and closer to the US everyday in terms crazy pro Liberty idiots who go plodding around with their guns like little army rejects.
I rarely dip into the politics board on here, time for me to dip back out!
Seems mad how a bit of cloth can invoke such strong reactions. Seems like we’re getting closer and closer to the US everyday in terms crazy pro Liberty idiots who go plodding around with their guns like little army rejects.
I rarely dip into the politics board on here, time for me to dip back out!
ollyprice87 said:
If people don’t want to wear a mask then that’s fine, at the moment that is completely up to then. But I hope they are not the same people that moan about the death of the high street in middle England? The death will surely come a lot quicker if people are too stubborn to put on a mask to visit a shop. Yes, most things can be done online, but isn’t it slightly hypocritical to use a human element like “I like to see people smile” etc for your arguments against if your refusal, and the refusal of others means you won’t actually go out to meet anyone anyway.
Seems mad how a bit of cloth can invoke such strong reactions. Seems like we’re getting closer and closer to the US everyday in terms crazy pro Liberty idiots who go plodding around with their guns like little army rejects.
I rarely dip into the politics board on here, time for me to dip back out!
Just thank your lucky stars guns aren't easily obtainable and legal in the UK Seems mad how a bit of cloth can invoke such strong reactions. Seems like we’re getting closer and closer to the US everyday in terms crazy pro Liberty idiots who go plodding around with their guns like little army rejects.
I rarely dip into the politics board on here, time for me to dip back out!
voyds9 said:
Jasey_ said:
Funk said:
The scientific evidence shows masks reduce transmission.
Really.So why the f
k weren't we told to wear them since it all kicked off ?What's changed ?
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