Laurence Fox - New Political Party

[Esceptico]

Being black doesn’t make you an expert on racism. But if you live in the UK you will likely have experienced racism first hand. White middle aged white men are entitled to an opinion on racism but it depends how that opinion was formed. Through listening to the experience of people that have suffered racism? Academic study? Or reading the Daily Mail, Twitter and exchanging “views” with other white, rich, middle-aged men?

Some methods of obtaining knowledge of racism probably more valid than others.

[JagLover]

anonymous said:

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Actually I think Boris has got it broadly right on the issue so far.

Wait until the left overreach, like with their attack on Churchill or their desire to remove the words from patriotic songs, and then react. The government should not be leading the way in "culture wars". There does need to be an element of governing for all people after all.

Rather than such measures there needs to be a practical focus on what matters. A carefully considered approach to trans rights for example that balances their rights with safeguarding for women and girls. Promotion and recruitment by merit rather than by quota. A police service that can tackle crime and is not hamstrung by political consequences.

It is about being a government not thinking sound and fury on social media makes a difference.

[anonymous-user]

JagLover said:

Actually I think Boris has got it broadly right on the issue so far.

Wait until the left overreach, like with their attack on Churchill or their desire to remove the words from patriotic songs, and then react. The government should not be leading the way in "culture wars". There does need to be an element of governing for all people after all.

Rather than such measures there needs to be a practical focus on what matters. A carefully considered approach to trans rights for example that balances their rights with safeguarding for women and girls. Promotion and recruitment by merit rather than by quota. A police service that can tackle crime and is not hamstrung by political consequences.

It is about being a government not thinking sound and fury on social media makes a difference.

Agreed entirely.

The phrase “culture wars” says it all. Why get involved in the first place? That just stokes it up and makes it worse. Why on earth would people let alone a government look at team Lilly Allen or team Katie Hopkins and decide either was something they wanted to be part of.

If you think it’s all bks just ignore it and don’t pander to it or come out strongly on either side. It will all pass like any fad or fashionable issue of the month.

The problem is polarisation. A government becoming part of a culture war is the last thing the public needs.

[Gilbertron]

doesthiswork said:

Subversive, in the sense of subverting expectations, given that it was previously implied that all stormtroopers were clones...of a man of Maori ancestry.

Completely by the by, but being pedantic and nerdy etc.
The prequel trilogy introduced the clone troopers, by the time we get back to original trilogy storm troopers have replaced them- they were human conscripts, of unknown ethnicity. Star wars racism used to mainly be about human supremacists.

[anonymous-user]

El stovey said:

JagLover said:

Actually I think Boris has got it broadly right on the issue so far.

Wait until the left overreach, like with their attack on Churchill or their desire to remove the words from patriotic songs, and then react. The government should not be leading the way in "culture wars". There does need to be an element of governing for all people after all.

Rather than such measures there needs to be a practical focus on what matters. A carefully considered approach to trans rights for example that balances their rights with safeguarding for women and girls. Promotion and recruitment by merit rather than by quota. A police service that can tackle crime and is not hamstrung by political consequences.

It is about being a government not thinking sound and fury on social media makes a difference.

Agreed entirely.

The phrase “culture wars” says it all. Why get involved in the first place? That just stokes it up and makes it worse. Why on earth would people let alone a government look at team Lilly Allen or team Katie Hopkins and decide either was something they wanted to be part of.

If you think it’s all bks just ignore it and don’t pander to it or come out strongly on either side. It will all pass like any fad or fashionable issue of the month.

The problem is polarisation. A government becoming part of a culture war is the last thing the public needs.

The Government need to be the moderating force looking for culture peace. That's why Boris waited for evidence of people attempting to destroy things before commenting, so he wasn't attacking shadows. The method of change in society needs to be smooth and broadly beneficial. Too often we're seeing people attempting change in the most violent and unreasonable ways, such as through cancel culture, for example with the leader of Mancunian way who was forced out by the 'trustees' because it was 'decided' under pressure that something he said was racist.
Look at what Mancunian Way do; dialogue and engagement.
We even have a woman who writes children's novels engaged in a war of words about gender, sexuality or identity.
Once more, it's not just about racism. It's not just about what racism is. It's about all the various identity based and socially related issues that affect our society. It's about defining how we acknowledge and address those issues in a harmonious way that isn't simply to destroy, that isn't to 'cancel', that isn't to suit some militant pressure group or shallow social media sentiment, that isn't to the detriment of others.
People of all colours are entitled to engage in the dialogue about race. People of all genders are entitled to play a part in discussion about gender. That's because decisions made about these subjects affect all society. If that reasonable discussion and engagement is not allowed then it will empower those that want change through force (and those that just want to cause havoc for no particular cause) and change that isn't really for the better.

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 1st October 08:35

[bitchstewie]

He's boycotting Sainsbury's over their support for Black History Month.

I suspect there may be a little more going on with the chap than just his politics but I do sincerely hope he's not going down the Hopkins/Farage route.

Laurence Fox says he is boycotting Sainsbury's for 'promoting racial segregation and discrimination' after it announced support for Black History Month

[Johnnytheboy]

Some people really can't see any difference between disapproving of identity politics and being a racist.

[FiF]

bhstewie said:

He's boycotting Sainsbury's over their support for Black History Month.

I suspect there may be a little more going on with the chap than just his politics but I do sincerely hope he's not going down the Hopkins/Farage route.

Laurence Fox says he is boycotting Sainsbury's for 'promoting racial segregation and discrimination' after it announced support for Black History Month

Fox can do what he wants, maybe it's all a one trick pony act and will go nowhere, or maybe it will make some waves, who knows. Meh

Noticed that Matt Goodwin had a well aimed poke at the Sainsbury's CEO, with the below tweet, though to be fair they, Sainsbury's were pulling these sort of stunts before the present incumbent took his seat. Eg premium for working Bank Holidays went, breaks reduced; recall when my Mrs was there they pulled her premium time for required working (ie compulsory shift) on Christmas Day as they were rota pharmacy. So no sympathy for Sainsbo's here tbh.
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Matt Goodwin said:

Two years ago, you tried to cut paid breaks for workers, their Sunday premium & bonuses while paying your CEO £4 million, who also happened to be a member of the "Invicta" tax avoidance scheme. Your current CEO is paid 131 times the pay of an average worker.

Woke capitalism.

Fair comment

[bitchstewie]

Johnnytheboy said:

Some people really can't see any difference between disapproving of identity politics and being a racist.

I meant more the whole "PC gone mad" thing.

Nothing I've seen makes me think he's racist but boycotting Sainsbury's simply because they're backing Black History Month is stupid IMO.

[Mojooo]

He said he was going to change the country with peace and love - suggesting a boycott (which is what he is doing) sounds like something he would accuse all the people he seems to hate of doing.

[anonymous-user]

bhstewie said:

He's boycotting Sainsbury's over their support for Black History Month.

I suspect there may be a little more going on with the chap than just his politics but I do sincerely hope he's not going down the Hopkins/Farage route.

Laurence Fox says he is boycotting Sainsbury's for 'promoting racial segregation and discrimination' after it announced support for Black History Month

He’s just being silly now.

I think he may be attempting to gain popularity by going down the ‘Katie Hopkins’ route of simply being controversial on Twitter.

We all know how that ended for her.

If he wants to be taken seriously then he needs to change his tactics and approach, in my opinion.

[CzechItOut]

He has the word "freedom" tattoo'ed on his hand and then suggests a boycott of a company for one of their policies.

Shouldn't he be supporting Sainsbury's freedom to provide a safe space for black employees - or does freedom only extend to things Lawrence Fox approves of?

[voyds9]

bhstewie said:

He's boycotting Sainsbury's over their support for Black History Month.

I suspect there may be a little more going on with the chap than just his politics but I do sincerely hope he's not going down the Hopkins/Farage route.

Laurence Fox says he is boycotting Sainsbury's for 'promoting racial segregation and discrimination' after it announced support for Black History Month

I believe both Sainsbury and Argos have created 'safe space' rooms for the PoC.

Brining back apartheid one store at a time. Do you feel supporting this is a step in the right direction

[bitchstewie]

voyds9 said:

I believe both Sainsbury and Argos have created 'safe space' rooms for the PoC.

Brining back apartheid one store at a time. Do you feel supporting this is a step in the right direction

Sorry did you genuinely just suggest that Sainsbury's are "brining back apartheid"

[A Winner Is You]

voyds9 said:

bhstewie said:

He's boycotting Sainsbury's over their support for Black History Month.

I suspect there may be a little more going on with the chap than just his politics but I do sincerely hope he's not going down the Hopkins/Farage route.

Laurence Fox says he is boycotting Sainsbury's for 'promoting racial segregation and discrimination' after it announced support for Black History Month

I believe both Sainsbury and Argos have created 'safe space' rooms for the PoC.

Brining back apartheid one store at a time. Do you feel supporting this is a step in the right direction

Says something about their hiring policies that their black colleagues need their own break room to escape racism.

[PeteinSQ]

It seems to me that he's worked out that he's never getting paid as an actor again, has spotted a gap in the market where Katie Hopkins used to be until she (repeatedly) went too far and aims to fill it.

I hope he enjoys becoming one of the most hated people in the country.

[voyds9]

A Winner Is You said:

Says something about their hiring policies that their black colleagues need their own break room to escape racism.

No one mentioned blacks wanting it or requesting it.

bhstewie said:

Sorry did you genuinely just suggest that Sainsbury's are "brining back apartheid"

I'm sure if I suggested a whites only area I'd be accused of being racist.
But it seems suggesting a black only change is socially acceptable or even preferable now.

[MTech535]

bhstewie said:

voyds9 said:

I believe both Sainsbury and Argos have created 'safe space' rooms for the PoC.

Brining back apartheid one store at a time. Do you feel supporting this is a step in the right direction

Sorry did you genuinely just suggest that Sainsbury's are "brining back apartheid"

Segregation is not a good thing. Not sure why sainsburys think it is a good idea.

The dm artical is bs. He is not boycotting them because they support black history month, but because of the black only safe spaces.

[A Winner Is You]

voyds9 said:

A Winner Is You said:

Says something about their hiring policies that their black colleagues need their own break room to escape racism.

No one mentioned blacks wanting it or requesting it.

Likely not, but someone somewhere decided it was needed.

Also, Sainsburys is part owned by Qatari Holdings, from the country that works African migrant workers to death and keeps them as virtual slaves. But no one ever takes a knee for them.

[anonymous-user]

The Sainsburys blurb just looks like a parody website that's ripping the piss. It's that preposterous. I'd be interested to know what black Sainsburys employees think of it.