Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 10

[biggbn]

Evercross said:

biggbn said:

Ps. Bloody schools freezing, feet are like ice!

Lemme guess - they are blaming 'Covid measures' for keeping all the windows wide open, even though you are probably the only person in a 25ft square room!

My room is always freezing, side of building with no sun and vents open. I prefer a colder room to be honest am on my feet a lot the way I teach, but with the rooms empty it never heats up!!

[Lim]

Roderick Spode said:

I think the questioners on today's remote session at the Alex Salmond Enquiry could have done with your experience and expertise re. the provision of competent broadband and equipment - Murdo Fraser shut down by the convenor and not permitted to question Lesley Evans because his broadband was intermittent. This format cannot be used for Sturgeon and Salmond - proper scrutiny in person is the only possible option for these two, there is far too much at stake to risk it with poor IT, which the Chief Mammy would undoubtedly use to her advantage to filibuster the line of questioning.

This is one reason for the postponement I believe. I guess they are trying to minimise non-essential interactions!

[biggbn]

ant1973 said:

biggbn said:

ant1973 said:

biggbn said:

ant1973 said:

biggbn said:

Lim said:

A teacher friend of mine who is teaching from home, reports the aim at her school, is to have 'some' live element for every single timetabled lesson. She has young toddlers herself a home and no childcare, so teaching full lessons seems unrealistic in her case.

Thats why I come into school, although my problem is three hyperactive dogs, not kids!! I think 'some' live element is what most teachers are aiming for and for the very reason you have cited. I am lucky in that my school allows us to come in and I have no reason not to. Online teaching is totally different and for me is a ten minute intro to the work, why we are doing it, what a positive outcome will look like, twenty minutes or so of the pupils working autonomously, then a twenty minute q and a live marking/assessment of what they have done. I am, however, 'live ' and available for the full 50 minute period as i set a live teams meeting for every lesson. Its all new to everyone, but this is the way I am choosing to do it

Good for you. The kids are lucky to have you.

Do you know if there is a Scottish Equivalent of this?

I am in a Scottish school, we are using Teams which is a Microsoft app and Glow which I think most Scottish schools use..?

The English have basically recorded their entire curriculum using teachers. There's a video lesson and an exercise to be undertaken.

It's really good. Pity the powers that be did not see the virtue in doing similar...

Whilst I can see that is a commendable effort and has value, my problem with pre recording lessons is that it takes away the flexibility required for learning to be a deep experience and 'take'. My classes today started off with a set idea of where I was going and three of them took a turn down a tangential avenue which I was glad to visit and brought about an even better lesson!! (Or maybe thats because I'm a waffly old hippie that likes the craic?)

[i4got]

ant1973 said:

The English have basically recorded their entire curriculum using teachers. There's a video lesson and an exercise to be undertaken.

It's really good. Pity the powers that be did not see the virtue in doing similar...

I hope those teachers haven't signed away their IP rights.

When this is all over could see some canny headteachers getting rid of the teachers and just using their videos.

[glazbagun]

i4got said:

ant1973 said:

The English have basically recorded their entire curriculum using teachers. There's a video lesson and an exercise to be undertaken.

It's really good. Pity the powers that be did not see the virtue in doing similar...

I hope those teachers haven't signed away their IP rights.

When this is all over could see some canny headteachers getting rid of the teachers and just using their videos.

Worries me TBH. Post covid budget cuts, just sign up to National School System and have your curriculum fed to your VR headset by a single source.

[Troubleatmill]

glazbagun said:

i4got said:

ant1973 said:

The English have basically recorded their entire curriculum using teachers. There's a video lesson and an exercise to be undertaken.

It's really good. Pity the powers that be did not see the virtue in doing similar...

I hope those teachers haven't signed away their IP rights.

When this is all over could see some canny headteachers getting rid of the teachers and just using their videos.

Worries me TBH. Post covid budget cuts, just sign up to National School System and have your curriculum fed to your VR headset by a single source.

Why would you not want to learn about a subject from the very best in their field?

[biggbn]

glazbagun said:

i4got said:

ant1973 said:

The English have basically recorded their entire curriculum using teachers. There's a video lesson and an exercise to be undertaken.

It's really good. Pity the powers that be did not see the virtue in doing similar...

I hope those teachers haven't signed away their IP rights.

When this is all over could see some canny headteachers getting rid of the teachers and just using their videos.

Worries me TBH. Post covid budget cuts, just sign up to National School System and have your curriculum fed to your VR headset by a single source.

As an NQT a move to online teaching does concern me. Ok, I may have an old school outlook, but for instance, I attended university in my forties and never missed a live lecture or tutorial. There was no need to attend the lectures, they were all online, but I cannot help but feel the nuances and immediate access to the speaker enhance the learning experience to a level that makes it incomparable to an online syllabus...this is one of the reasons I am making myself available to my pupils for every lesson. I think our responsibility as teachers goes more than teaching a regurgitation of a preordained syllabus. We need to create open, enquiring minds that question. We need to help create resilient adults who understand and respect the culture they have been born into and respect those of others. How can you teach that with a prerecorded lesson and headset? (Usual caveats of dangerous opinions corrupting the minds of the young apply....jeez, am still not over that haha )

[ant1973]

biggbn said:

glazbagun said:

i4got said:

ant1973 said:

The English have basically recorded their entire curriculum using teachers. There's a video lesson and an exercise to be undertaken.

It's really good. Pity the powers that be did not see the virtue in doing similar...

I hope those teachers haven't signed away their IP rights.

When this is all over could see some canny headteachers getting rid of the teachers and just using their videos.

Worries me TBH. Post covid budget cuts, just sign up to National School System and have your curriculum fed to your VR headset by a single source.

As an NQT a move to online teaching does concern me. Ok, I may have an old school outlook, but for instance, I attended university in my forties and never missed a live lecture or tutorial. There was no need to attend the lectures, they were all online, but I cannot help but feel the nuances and immediate access to the speaker enhance the learning experience to a level that makes it incomparable to an online syllabus...this is one of the reasons I am making myself available to my pupils for every lesson. I think our responsibility as teachers goes more than teaching a regurgitation of a preordained syllabus. We need to create open, enquiring minds that question. We need to help create resilient adults who understand and respect the culture they have been born into and respect those of others. How can you teach that with a prerecorded lesson and headset? (Usual caveats of dangerous opinions corrupting the minds of the young apply....jeez, am still not over that haha )

I think the knowledge economy is undergoing a revolution quietly in the background.

I think I went to about 3 tutorials during my entire degree course (not compulsory in those days).

I think you could do a law degree with pretty minimal support with books and lectures. Other subjects? Probably not.

Some degree courses are pretty vulnerable to this line of thinking - especially given the cost.

Schooling I think will be fine because it is more than just imparting information. But online lessons are an easy way to control quality.

[ant1973]

biggbn said:

Whilst I can see that is a commendable effort and has value, my problem with pre recording lessons is that it takes away the flexibility required for learning to be a deep experience and 'take'. My classes today started off with a set idea of where I was going and three of them took a turn down a tangential avenue which I was glad to visit and brought about an even better lesson!! (Or maybe thats because I'm a waffly old hippie that likes the craic?)

I know, but if the choice is between daddy do it or online teacher do it, there is no choice at all...

[biggbn]

ant1973 said:

biggbn said:

Whilst I can see that is a commendable effort and has value, my problem with pre recording lessons is that it takes away the flexibility required for learning to be a deep experience and 'take'. My classes today started off with a set idea of where I was going and three of them took a turn down a tangential avenue which I was glad to visit and brought about an even better lesson!! (Or maybe thats because I'm a waffly old hippie that likes the craic?)

I know, but if the choice is between daddy do it or online teacher do it, there is no choice at all...

Agreed, i was more commenting on simple listen to lessons with no human interaction. Even these have merit over nothing which is what some people sadly are getting

[biggbn]

ant1973 said:

I think the knowledge economy is undergoing a revolution quietly in the background.

I think I went to about 3 tutorials during my entire degree course (not compulsory in those days).

I think you could do a law degree with pretty minimal support with books and lectures. Other subjects? Probably not.

Some degree courses are pretty vulnerable to this line of thinking - especially given the cost.

Schooling I think will be fine because it is more than just imparting information. But online lessons are an easy way to control quality.

Lectures were not compulsory but tutorials were on my course. I just like the human element, and would not feel comfortable simply putting work to be completed online for my pupils for that reason, my own preferences and therefore bias kicking in...

[amusingduck]

What do you teach, gbn?

[biggbn]

amusingduck said:

What do you teach, gbn?

English, a rather late and drastic change of career!

[NoddyonNitrous]

biggbn said:

As an NQT a move to online teaching does concern me. Ok, I may have an old school outlook, but for instance, I attended university in my forties and never missed a live lecture or tutorial. There was no need to attend the lectures, they were all online, but I cannot help but feel the nuances and immediate access to the speaker enhance the learning experience to a level that makes it incomparable to an online syllabus...this is one of the reasons I am making myself available to my pupils for every lesson. I think our responsibility as teachers goes more than teaching a regurgitation of a preordained syllabus. We need to create open, enquiring minds that question. We need to help create resilient adults who understand and respect the culture they have been born into and respect those of others. How can you teach that with a prerecorded lesson and headset? (Usual caveats of dangerous opinions corrupting the minds of the young apply....jeez, am still not over that haha )

The bit I have ?bolded / ?emboldened (English teacher please advise!) above is a hugely important part of senior schooling that is commonly lost to the teach-to-the-exam-curriculum-to-maximise-exam-grades culture that seems far too prevalent nowadays. Respect to you for prioritising it.

[hidetheelephants]

Lim said:

Roderick Spode said:

I think the questioners on today's remote session at the Alex Salmond Enquiry could have done with your experience and expertise re. the provision of competent broadband and equipment - Murdo Fraser shut down by the convenor and not permitted to question Lesley Evans because his broadband was intermittent. This format cannot be used for Sturgeon and Salmond - proper scrutiny in person is the only possible option for these two, there is far too much at stake to risk it with poor IT, which the Chief Mammy would undoubtedly use to her advantage to filibuster the line of questioning.

This is one reason for the postponement I believe. I guess they are trying to minimise non-essential interactions!

WTF is this? 10 months into Pandapneumonia and the govt have not had internetz pipes big enough to carry an echo run into all MSP households for the purpose of carrying on remote government. That really is 3rd world.

[Lim]

hidetheelephants said:

Lim said:

Roderick Spode said:

I think the questioners on today's remote session at the Alex Salmond Enquiry could have done with your experience and expertise re. the provision of competent broadband and equipment - Murdo Fraser shut down by the convenor and not permitted to question Lesley Evans because his broadband was intermittent. This format cannot be used for Sturgeon and Salmond - proper scrutiny in person is the only possible option for these two, there is far too much at stake to risk it with poor IT, which the Chief Mammy would undoubtedly use to her advantage to filibuster the line of questioning.

This is one reason for the postponement I believe. I guess they are trying to minimise non-essential interactions!

WTF is this? 10 months into Pandapneumonia and the govt have not had internetz pipes big enough to carry an echo run into all MSP households for the purpose of carrying on remote government. That really is 3rd world.

Musk to the rescue.

Both Mail and Guardian reported it was postponed this morning, but now National is going with back on.

Reporting the timing of meetings isn't SNP's strong point it seems.

doodle.com

[technodup]

hidetheelephants said:

WTF is this? 10 months into Pandapneumonia and the govt have not had internetz pipes big enough to carry an echo run into all MSP households for the purpose of carrying on remote government. That really is 3rd world.

Hmm, take some third rate MSP dregs, give them high speed super duper internet and make them go on zoom calls- what could possibly go wrong...?

On the one hand it would be good to catch an actual wker, but I'm not sure I want to pay them to masturbate.

[Pastor Of Muppets]

Get on to Wings folks, st truly hitting the fan tonight....

https://wingsoverscotland.com/a-duty-of-candour/#m...

[Evercross]

Pastor Of Muppets said:

Get on to Wings folks, st truly hitting the fan tonight....

https://wingsoverscotland.com/a-duty-of-candour/#m...

Looks like it is no longer just a matter of Ministerial Code, but a matter of Contempt of Court with a potential for Perverting the Course of Justice.

Sturgeon can try to hide behind her 'procedure' but it appears she was wasting her time all along.

As I said before, the drip-feeding of this evidence just keeps coming, but in a way that will make Sturgeon effectively bury herself . As correctly observed by one of the commenters in 'Wings', Evans today basically said 'it wisnae me', but it was somebody, and somebody will have to carry the can.

Evans hasn't fallen on her sword, and TBH I think if she had it would have probably satisfied enough people to let Sturgeon off-the hook. There is no doubt Salmond would have been satisfied as he called for Evans to resign immediately after winning his first case against the Scottish Government.

So it looks like there is no loyalty between them and they are all out to protect their own arses.

Edited by Evercross on Tuesday 12th January 21:47

[Beato]

That was an interesting read. Should be some jail time coming for someone.

Corrupt and rotten to the core. What more to come out over the next week. The ectopus is clearly no mug and surely has more up his sleeve.

Lesley Evans what an ugly nasty looking piece of work she is.