Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 3)

[DeejRC]

Crikey, some of you should perhaps stay away from media sources for a while, rather than "consuming" them. It would make your lives less stressful.

For what its worth though...the UK isnt in an overly stty place. There are a lot of things which could be done better, but thats been the standard case for the last 40+ yrs Ive been alive.

It would maybe help some of you to come and join those of us who also live/work outside the UK, in the EU and see how things are elsewhere. Real Europe, not bloody Ireland before anyone pipes up more about the damn place.

[Tuna]

Mortarboard said:

Do you still want to gloss over the fact that the GB part of the UK is having issues now, while the NI part of the UK isn't having issues yet?

Not glossing over a single thing... just being clear on what is cause and what is coincidence.

Mortarboard said:

Keep 'em coming, Tuna. I'm here all day. Try the veal!.

I'm glad you've come to terms with your role as a comedian.

[Mortarboard]

Tuna said:

Mortarboard said:

Do you still want to gloss over the fact that the GB part of the UK is having issues now, while the NI part of the UK isn't having issues yet?

Not glossing over a single thing... just being clear on what is cause and what is coincidence.

Mortarboard said:

Keep 'em coming, Tuna. I'm here all day. Try the veal!.

I'm glad you've come to terms with your role as a comedian.

Thought I'd join you

M.

[Earthdweller]

DeejRC said:

Crikey, some of you should perhaps stay away from media sources for a while, rather than "consuming" them. It would make your lives less stressful.

For what its worth though...the UK isnt in an overly stty place. There are a lot of things which could be done better, but thats been the standard case for the last 40+ yrs Ive been alive.

It would maybe help some of you to come and join those of us who also live/work outside the UK, in the EU and see how things are elsewhere. Real Europe, not bloody Ireland before anyone pipes up more about the damn place.

As my old geography teacher used to say

“The only problem with abroad is that it’s full of bloody foreigners”

[crankedup5]

Mortarboard said:

Grrrrr realists, amirite?

So it's basically all a bit st, but Brexits got nothing to do with it then?

Or a media conspiracy?

Something something, five years etc.

M.

Little bit of this and a little bit of that stirred, not shaken, by the media, and you are struggling to acknowledge a Global / European set of problems. Brexit does of course figure in the problem so fa4 as U.K. and EU zone is concerned, but to what extent?

[sunbeam alpine]

crankedup5 said:

Little bit of this and a little bit of that stirred, not shaken, by the media, and you are struggling to acknowledge a Global / European set of problems. Brexit does of course figure in the problem so fa4 as U.K. and EU zone is concerned, but to what extent?

Are you saying that all the news sources in the UK are exaggerating the problem?

[Earthdweller]

crankedup5 said:

Mortarboard said:

Grrrrr realists, amirite?

So it's basically all a bit st, but Brexits got nothing to do with it then?

Or a media conspiracy?

Something something, five years etc.

M.

Little bit of this and a little bit of that stirred, not shaken, by the media, and you are struggling to acknowledge a Global / European set of problems. Brexit does of course figure in the problem so fa4 as U.K. and EU zone is concerned, but to what extent?

Where are you again Mortarboard ?

Texas isn’t it ?

[Mortarboard]

Earthdweller said:

Where are you again Mortarboard ?

Texas isn’t it ?

Missouri. St. Louis.

[crankedup5]

sunbeam alpine said:

crankedup5 said:

Little bit of this and a little bit of that stirred, not shaken, by the media, and you are struggling to acknowledge a Global / European set of problems. Brexit does of course figure in the problem so fa4 as U.K. and EU zone is concerned, but to what extent?

Are you saying that all the news sources in the UK are exaggerating the problem?

Before I come to replying, do you agree or disagree / partially agree with my post?

[sunbeam alpine]

crankedup5 said:

sunbeam alpine said:

crankedup5 said:

Little bit of this and a little bit of that stirred, not shaken, by the media, and you are struggling to acknowledge a Global / European set of problems. Brexit does of course figure in the problem so fa4 as U.K. and EU zone is concerned, but to what extent?

Are you saying that all the news sources in the UK are exaggerating the problem?

Before I come to replying, do you agree or disagree / partially agree with my post?

Try reading my earlier posts.

sunbeam alpine said:

In fairness, a lot of what is currently happening isn't as a direct result of Brexit. What Brexit has done (IMO) is severely reduced the UK's flexibility in responding to/resolving many of the current challenges. It's also highlighting the (lack of) competence of the UK government.

[crankedup5]

sunbeam alpine said:

crankedup5 said:

sunbeam alpine said:

crankedup5 said:

Little bit of this and a little bit of that stirred, not shaken, by the media, and you are struggling to acknowledge a Global / European set of problems. Brexit does of course figure in the problem so fa4 as U.K. and EU zone is concerned, but to what extent?

Are you saying that all the news sources in the UK are exaggerating the problem?

Before I come to replying, do you agree or disagree / partially agree with my post?

Try reading my earlier posts.

sunbeam alpine said:

In fairness, a lot of what is currently happening isn't as a direct result of Brexit. What Brexit has done (IMO) is severely reduced the UK's flexibility in responding to/resolving many of the current challenges. It's also highlighting the (lack of) competence of the UK government.

You asked the question of me!! it’s politically extremely difficult for Government to call for European lorry drivers to help our supply chains from the current difficulties. At the same time it is showing just how the logistics industry were over reliant on the cheaper EU labour driving the lorries. They had nigh six years to attract more home grown drivers but ignored the problems on their horizon.

[Sway]

sunbeam alpine said:

crankedup5 said:

Little bit of this and a little bit of that stirred, not shaken, by the media, and you are struggling to acknowledge a Global / European set of problems. Brexit does of course figure in the problem so fa4 as U.K. and EU zone is concerned, but to what extent?

Are you saying that all the news sources in the UK are exaggerating the problem?

Here's an example:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/16221484/tesco-bp-p...

Read that headline, and the initial article - fking hell it looks bad...

Oh wait, BP are experiencing issues with 'tens' of stations out of 1200. Tesco - 2 stations, both getting deliveries soon. Etc.

Of course, it'll now become a much larger issue.

Same with 'trade friction'. https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/nationalaccounts/ba... 2021

Food shortages - check out the thread. Certainly no issues in my neck of the woods, from farm shop through Co-Op, Aldi, Sainsburys and Waitrose (thank fk my missus does the shopping!). If I wanted, I could easily take pics of empty shelves - and could have done at the right day/time in the local Sainsburys at any time in the last decade I've lived here.

Drivers are an issue - as noted, a widespread one and specifically not rooted in brexit (with 'brexit losses' contributing less than 10% of the deficit). Our guys have always been known as good employers, our runs are some of the more 'pleasant' driving available - but we've still had some issues with increased absenteeism.

[DeejRC]

It doesnt really Alpine, it largely has the same flexibility as prior to Brexit.

The underlying issues are around the laziness of UK industry that has had 5 yrs to prep themselves for a change approaching and they have done bugger all AND the traditional uselessness of a British govt at managing logistics. Im never going to argue about that last point, the current lot are as useless as all the other lots Ive known before them for the last 40 yrs.

The accident which physically took out the pipeline connections in the last cpl of weeks buggered any idea of logistical flexibility, Brexit be damned or otherwise. I fully agree that such a pinch point being an obvious risk is something that should have been managed much much better, but then I refer you to my above point on the traditional ability of UK govt to manage logistic capability & capacity...

I fully expect the next 40yrs of British govt will continue to showcase its inept ability to manage such things.

But then Ive also knocked about in France for the last 30yrs and every summer is a potential/actual summer of discontent. Crises come and go, get blown up out of proportion and forgotten again on an annual basis. Our part of the country down in the sud-oest is in a semi permanent state of quasi rebellion against Paris/just plain ignoring Paris and the central govt exists anyway and does its own thing however it wants.

Ive also lived and worked out of Italy and thats just a different ballgame entirely. Rural Italy is 50 yrs behind France and the UK.

Even Bavaria isnt perfect. Though its close

[B'stard Child]

dsmith21 said:

I thought everything was going to be oh so much better than before....the sunny uplands are beckoning blah blah... more like knee deep in fields of st! We're now a truly insignificant player in the world, seen as a joke to all, especially when they see the fking halfwit we have as a PM with his 12 year old schoolboys haircut begging Biden for scraps, what a massive embarrassment we are now. The only country in the world to shoot itself in the bks for a blue passport. What a farce.

Catching up with the thread - You'll definitely catch a few with that

[Murph7355]

LF5335 said:

Murph7355 said:

Quite surprised you don't have it printed off and on your wall at home (Or is that what you mean by "radar"?).

"Interesting" factoid...my EE phone contract was up for upgrade/renewal/cancellation this week. Renewed with them - guess what? No EU roaming charges. Go figure.

Might be worth reading your contract small print. No charges now, but will be from Jan 2022 for those who took out, upgraded or renewed their co tract after July 2021

https://ee.co.uk/help/help-new/roaming-and-interna...

Timing's everything



Those who need it will be able to find it, those who don't won't need to pay for it for those who do

[Murph7355]

paul.deitch said:

I know nothing but I talked with a friend who works in the German gas industry and there doesn't seem to be a panic about prices here although they will be going up. Perhaps Germany has longer term contracts?
Anyhow there are no CO2 shortages here. Make of that what you will.

Germany doesn't seem quite so fervent about the green as us at the moment. Your time will come (unless we show how easy it is to bankrupt yourself doing it, the climate moves the other way and everyone eases back on it - not that many have exactly exerted themselves forwards yet ).

[bitchstewie]

Media reporting like Johnson is about to relax rules on visa requirements to try and sort the HGV driver issue.

“Boris is completely fed up with bad headlines on this and wants it sorted and doesn’t care about visa limits any more.”

And apparently Patel now agrees.

[sunbeam alpine]

It's almost comic to watch the UK tearing itself apart at the moment. Brexit or not, it must be difficult to claim that the UK is doing well at the moment.

[bitchstewie]

sunbeam alpine said:

It's almost comic to watch the UK tearing itself apart at the moment. Brexit or not, it must be difficult to claim that the UK is doing well at the moment.

At some point it turns into a confidence issue whether that's confidence in the Government or in the economy (which is of course linked to the Government).

[don'tbesilly]

bhstewie said:

Media reporting like Johnson is about to relax rules on visa requirements to try and sort the HGV driver issue.

“Boris is completely fed up with bad headlines on this and wants it sorted and doesn’t care about visa limits any more.”

And apparently Patel now agrees.

The Telegraph reporting the exact opposite, Patel and Kwarteng are arguing against any relaxation.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/09/24/bo...