Israel invaded

[trickywoo]

g4ry13 said:

With all the Israeli intelligence it's astonishing that this has happened.

Mossad has been touted as the best intelligence going, looks at bit like Putin and his master strategist moniker now.

[Biker 1]

FourWheelDrift said:

Regarding Saudi Arabia's hypocritical statement, aren't they still bombing the st out of Yemen?

They are all deplorable sts in that region.

Proxy wars left right & centre.

[fiatpower]

Vasco said:

Probably way OTT - and then some more.

What’s OTT in this case?. The Israelis are understandably furious. I know 2 who live over here and have done for some years but both have done time in the IDF and are currently booking flights home to rejoin.

[Halmyre]

Hereward said:

Captain Smerc said:

petemurphy said:

How do we think Israel will respond?

With a bang

Incredible videos of Israeli airstrikes bringing down entire buildings in Gaza already.

I think those are old videos. One of them even looks like a controlled demolition, not an air strike.

[LM240]

Halmyre said:

Hereward said:

Captain Smerc said:

petemurphy said:

How do we think Israel will respond?

With a bang

Incredible videos of Israeli airstrikes bringing down entire buildings in Gaza already.

I think those are old videos. One of them even looks like a controlled demolition, not an air strike.

That was my thought. Very controlled explosions from the base of the buildings.

[bloomen]

Tonberry said:

Trouble is, any criticism of Israel is seen as antisemitism.

They are a genocidal regime who would wipe any trace of Palestine off the face of the map if they could get away with.

I'd regard anyone who thinks of them as genocidal as a bit weird.

I'd regard anyone who doesn't think Israel is an oppressive regime as even weirder. Easy to understand where they're coming from, but no one is covering themselves with glory there.

As for Hamas, this looks like flat out terrorism to me.

[aeropilot]

LM240 said:

Halmyre said:

Hereward said:

Captain Smerc said:

petemurphy said:

How do we think Israel will respond?

With a bang

Incredible videos of Israeli airstrikes bringing down entire buildings in Gaza already.

I think those are old videos. One of them even looks like a controlled demolition, not an air strike.

That was my thought. Very controlled explosions from the base of the buildings.

It was on live TV.......Al Jazeera journo was doing a interview, as the first strike hit the building roof top, the JADAM or Paveway's or whatever used hit the building soon after while she was still hysterical and trying to continue the interview.

[g4ry13]

trickywoo said:

g4ry13 said:

With all the Israeli intelligence it's astonishing that this has happened.

Mossad has been touted as the best intelligence going, looks at bit like Putin and his master strategist moniker now.

A whole military post basically wiped out. The young men on the base didn't even make it out of their bunks and those that did were in their underwear.

The weekend and religious holiday meant that numbers were a bit lower than usual.

[Hereward]

aeropilot said:

LM240 said:

Halmyre said:

Hereward said:

Captain Smerc said:

petemurphy said:

How do we think Israel will respond?

With a bang

Incredible videos of Israeli airstrikes bringing down entire buildings in Gaza already.

I think those are old videos. One of them even looks like a controlled demolition, not an air strike.

That was my thought. Very controlled explosions from the base of the buildings.

It was on live TV.......Al Jazeera journo was doing a interview, as the first strike hit the building roof top, the JADAM or Paveway's or whatever used hit the building soon after while she was still hysterical and trying to continue the interview.

Yep. If you look closely you can just make out air-delivered munitions racing in (especially with the 2nd strike).

[aeropilot]

g4ry13 said:

trickywoo said:

g4ry13 said:

With all the Israeli intelligence it's astonishing that this has happened.

Mossad has been touted as the best intelligence going, looks at bit like Putin and his master strategist moniker now.

A whole military post basically wiped out. The young men on the base didn't even make it out of their bunks and those that did were in their underwear.

The weekend and religious holiday meant that numbers were a bit lower than usual.

Indeed, this has been well planned.........and as such, I think, well outside of Hamas's ability up to now, so I really think this has been planned and orchestrated by others, on their behalf and whether that is ISIS/Iran/Russia or Russian contractors from Syria, or a combination of all of them, we might never know. The fact that as many as a 1000 rockets being used shows they have been supplied well from outside, as well as drone use, as seen in Ukraine, means this has been planned for a long while I think.

[Digga]

simo1863 said:

Gecko1978 said:

Just seen the footage of the women bare foot bleeding hands bound being stuffed into the back of a jeep by group of armed men an other crowding round to abuse her.

I am 100% sure Israel will have done bad things to Palestinians but that footage will go around the world and give Israel justification to do whatever it wants.

No matter where you sit on the side of the cause you surely have to see that footage is going to lead to 1000s of deaths.

If its the same one I've seen then there's a lot of blood from a place that may also indicate rape.

There's something oxymoronic about chanting god is great, whilst spitting at the naked and desecrated corpse of an executed female prisoner.

Steady on chap. That’s the religion of peace you’re talking about there.

Religion is the root of most of the evils men do to one another. That and Primark sales.

[Mannginger]

I'm impressed that the IDF are still roof-knocking. That's pretty restrained of them, all things considered

[BikeBikeBIke]

ZedLeg said:

Again, what can they do to compromise on Israel wanting to eradicate them?

If you think that's true, isn't firing missiles into Israel giving Israel an excuse to do something you think they already want to do?

Edited by BikeBikeBIke on Saturday 7th October 17:58

[mick987]

I see the Mail has publised screen shots of the women from the back of the jeep who looks like she has just been raped. Who in their right mind thought that was a good idea they really are scum.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

fizz47 said:

Someone wearing a Palestinian flag is no different than someone wearing a Ukrainian flag. Both occupied lands ….

There is one key difference, which people may or may not think is relevant, and that is Ukraine is a proper independent country that has been invaded by another country. There has never been an independent Palestine. Pre 1948 and the creation of Israel, it was a British protectorate. Prior to that, before WW1, it was part of the greater Ottoman empire for god knows how long. Even in biblical times it was a area rather than a country.

Israel never invaded Palestine, it was handed to them by the British who controlled it, when Israel was created. The Israel Palestine situation is more like China Hong Kong than Russia Ukraine. China never invaded HK, we handed it (back) to them. Now the people of HK might not like it, but that's the situation.

[vaud]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

There is one key difference, which people may or may not think is relevant, and that is Ukraine is a proper independent country that has been invaded by another country. There has never been an independent Palestine. Pre 1948 and the creation of Israel, it was a British protectorate. Prior to that, before WW1, it was part of the greater Ottoman empire for god knows how long. Even in biblical times it was a area rather than a country.

Israel never invaded Palestine, it was handed to them by the British who controlled it, when Israel was created. The Israel Palestine situation is more like China Hong Kong than Russia Ukraine. China never invaded HK, we handed it (back) to them. Now the people of HK might not like it, but that's the situation.

Arguably we didn’t hand it back; the lease expired and ownership reverted, it was a predictable event.

[Vasco]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

There is one key difference, which people may or may not think is relevant, and that is Ukraine is a proper independent country that has been invaded by another country. There has never been an independent Palestine. Pre 1948 and the creation of Israel, it was a British protectorate. Prior to that, before WW1, it was part of the greater Ottoman empire for god knows how long. Even in biblical times it was a area rather than a country.

Israel never invaded Palestine, it was handed to them by the British who controlled it, when Israel was created. The Israel Palestine situation is more like China Hong Kong than Russia Ukraine. China never invaded HK, we handed it (back) to them. Now the people of HK might not like it, but that's the situation.

I recognise that I'm out of my depth in all this, but trying to better understand......
When Israel was created why didn't the borders simply include Palestine ftom the outset ?

[fiatpower]

Now the Taliban have asked for permission to cross countries to join the fight

https://x.com/talibanprd__/status/1710678048821887...

[BikeBikeBIke]

Solocle said:

If Israel or Ukraine downed arms they'd cease to exist. If Palestinians downed arms, it would take time, but they'd get a state.

This.

[Hereward]

Hereward said:

aeropilot said:

LM240 said:

Halmyre said:

Hereward said:

Captain Smerc said:

petemurphy said:

How do we think Israel will respond?

With a bang

Incredible videos of Israeli airstrikes bringing down entire buildings in Gaza already.

I think those are old videos. One of them even looks like a controlled demolition, not an air strike.

That was my thought. Very controlled explosions from the base of the buildings.

It was on live TV.......Al Jazeera journo was doing a interview, as the first strike hit the building roof top, the JADAM or Paveway's or whatever used hit the building soon after while she was still hysterical and trying to continue the interview.

Yep. If you look closely you can just make out air-delivered munitions racing in (especially with the 2nd strike).

Clearer video. I count 7 air-delivered munitions (I think 1 fails to detonate or is on a timer):
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-middle-east-67...