Your voting intentions

[Roderick Spode]

S600BSB said:

Douglas Alexander is standing as the Labour candidate for East Lothian. Agree he is an excellent chap - pretty sure SKS will have him in a ministerial role if he is elected.

Next Scottish Secretary possibly. Or something more senior, he is a very capable politician, and it was a crying shame when he was ousted in 2015 by the chip shovelling ned.

[CivicDuties]

Pitre said:

My MP is Liz Truss with a big majority. Suggestions as to what I should be doing on July 4th welcomed...

Look at local polling numbers in the next few weeks and vote for whoever looks best placed to beat her, unless that's something worse like Reform (but that's highly unlikely to be the case).

Vote tactically. Sad to have to do it, but that's FPTP.

[tangerine_sedge]

super7 said:

None of these will become a reality if Labour win this Election....... Better the devil you know than the bunch of muppets you don't know..... I would like to see Sunak gone though and replaced with Mordaunt.

Better to stick with the party that drunkenly drove the car into a tree, rather than try a more sober driver? Voting for Tory again because you're scared of the alternative is madness.

super7 said:

I think when it comes down to it, people won't go from Conservative to Labour, but maybe to Reform. Could see a Conservative/Reform/lib-dem coalition???

Plenty of people anecdotally here on PH are intending to do exactly that and vote Labour for their first time ever. The dream of a Conservative/Reform/lib-dem coalition is just a dream to enable hard-core Tory voters to sleep at night until the inevitable realisation on the 5th of July.

super7 said:

Worst thing a disgruntled conservative voter can do is to stay at home or spoil their vote, you might just as well vote Labour. That's shooting yourself in the foot.

Who do they vote for if they can't vote Tory and can't bring themselves to vote Labour? Reform are no choice, and the alternatives are Labour light, so that leaves indies or a spoiled paper.

super7 said:

God help the country if Starmer get's in.

I don't understand the fear of SKS. He's savvy enough to remain attractive to the centre ground, so there won't be a momentous lurch to the left, just hopefully a shift back to centre ground politics.

[Wills2]

princeperch said:

Ive been on ph for over 20 years.i dont think it has lurched to the left.

I do think that people have become poorer and more reliant on the state and low rates to supplement stagnated wages.

What people want, what it really boils down to is:

1. To be able to pay for an adequately sized and located home and put the heating on every now and then

2. To have the police turn up when their car is nicked or house broken into

3. Be able to get access to healthcare in a reasonable time frame

4. Send their kids to a school that isnt shocking

5. Be able to buy the food required for their needs

6. Be able to go on a holiday every now and then without feeling like they are living in misery and just existing

7. Have some hope for the future, whether it be retirement. Being able to afford to have kids, start a business, buy a house, whatever,.

Id suggest in one way or another, unless you are a millionaire living in a gated compound and you send your kids private and have private health insurance you will probably be feeling something from mild depression to despair over the state of the country.

I genuinely dont know anyone who thinks the country isnt on the skids and a firm downward trajectory at the moment, and my friends list covers people on minimum wage to those on 150k a year. Incidentally the bloke i know on 150k had his car nicked a few months back. It was found by a neighbour 10 mins away but theyd done something with the wireless entry and he couldnt get into it. The police never turned up, even after he waited several hours. In the end he let all the air out of the tyres and put a bike lock on one wheel and went home to try and sort it himself.

None will vote tory, if they have full use of their faculties because i and everyone else i know genuinely believe the country is on its knees. The conservatives are toast.

Agree with all of that, we just want a government to get the basic metrics in order and to stop running around in the weeds, just create a stable platform instead of lurching all over the place whilst the country goes to ruin.

I really hope Starmer will do it.

[Mobile Chicane]

isaldiri said:

princeperch said:

What people want, what it really boils down to is:

1. To be able to pay for an adequately sized and located home and put the heating on every now and then

2. To have the police turn up when their car is nicked or house broken into

3. Be able to get access to healthcare in a reasonable time frame

4. Send their kids to a school that isnt shocking

5. Be able to buy the food required for their needs

6. Be able to go on a holiday every now and then without feeling like they are living in misery and just existing

7. Have some hope for the future, whether it be retirement. Being able to afford to have kids, start a business, buy a house, whatever,.

You also did miss out -

8. Have someone else pay for it

Actually no.

A few more pence in the pound - or even quite a few more pence in the pound - won't have me in the poor house.

I consider it a subscription to living in a civilised society.

[JackJarvis]

super7 said:

Better the devil you know

It's frightening to think that's how some people will base their decision.

[Tom8]

CivicDuties said:

bobbo89 said:

I'll never not vote
Con and Lab are both unappealing for different reasons.
Track record for Con, useless and Conservative in name only.
Lab because I don't trust Starmer, he was/is a Corbynite and there's still plenty of them in the party, potentially dangerous.
Lib Dems and Greens are just full of fruitloops
Reform and Indy you may as well spoil or not turn up

We're fked aren't we?

Can you name a LibDem "fruitloop"? Either a person or a policy. It's been a while since Lembit Opik darkened the doors of Parliament...

Their current and previous leaders for a start. Tim Farron and his beliefs, the woman who said she would become PM, the current guy and his hiding from his duties in relation to the post office. The only lib dem of any gravitas was Charles Kennedy. And he was a massive alcoholic. Says a lot.

[wiliferus]

JackJarvis said:

super7 said:

Better the devil you know

It's frightening to think that's how some people will base their decision.

I just don’t understand that rationale. Better the devil you know in this case refers to at least the last 5 years being an absolute st show. Why anyone would vote for more of the same corruption, mismanagement and lies I’ll never know.
And for reference I’m a life long Tory voter who grew up in a very blue area from a Tory family. They will not however be getting my vote in July.

[Jordie Barretts sock]

wiliferus said:

And for reference I’m a life long Tory voter who grew up in a very blue area from a Tory family. They will not however be getting my vote in July.

And that's the Tory problem in a nutshell. The traditional voters won't vote for the Conservative Party and any that don't stay home will vote LD.

I think, unless something seismic happens in the next few weeks, a lot of 'safe' Tory seats will be lost. As it stands, I could honestly see LD as the official opposition. I doubt it will happen, but I wouldn't be surprised if it did.

[isaldiri]

Mobile Chicane said:

isaldiri said:

princeperch said:

What people want, what it really boils down to is:

1. To be able to pay for an adequately sized and located home and put the heating on every now and then

2. To have the police turn up when their car is nicked or house broken into

3. Be able to get access to healthcare in a reasonable time frame

4. Send their kids to a school that isnt shocking

5. Be able to buy the food required for their needs

6. Be able to go on a holiday every now and then without feeling like they are living in misery and just existing

7. Have some hope for the future, whether it be retirement. Being able to afford to have kids, start a business, buy a house, whatever,.

You also did miss out -

8. Have someone else pay for it

Actually no.

A few more pence in the pound - or even quite a few more pence in the pound - won't have me in the poor house.

I consider it a subscription to living in a civilised society.

When the political parties come round to your view and start campaigning on the basis of being upfront about how much revenue they will need to be raising via extra taxation (where the amounts required means.... practically everyone needs to be covered rather than just a specific group that can be easily targeted as it's popular to do so) then it might be 'actually no' but until then.....

[119]

There is certainly a lot of opportunity for the LDs to gain some ground but they have been very quiet.

[Slowboathome]

princeperch said:

Ive been on ph for over 20 years.i dont think it has lurched to the left.


Id suggest in one way or another, unless you are a millionaire living in a gated compound and you send your kids private and have private health insurance you will probably be feeling something from mild depression to despair over the state of the country.

I genuinely dont know anyone who thinks the country isnt on the skids and a firm downward trajectory at the moment, and my friends list covers people on minimum wage to those on 150k a year.

None will vote tory, if they have full use of their faculties because i and everyone else i know genuinely believe the country is on its knees.

As far as I know, none of my friends and family feel this way. None of us are millionaires living in gated communities.

It's true that the economy is knackered. It's not recovered from the combination of the 2008 crash, Brexit and Covid.

It's also true that parts of the public services are excellent and some are dire. I've had excellent NHS care, my mate has had the opposite experience. The local police are as good as I would expect them to be. The local schools are very good indeed.

And it's also true that the last conservative administration has been utterly incompetent in many ways.

I think the problems this country has are complex and beyond the scope of any one government to fix.

[James6112]

I’ll vote for the party that can defeat the Tories (to make Starmer PM).
I believe that will be the LD candidate in my formerlyTrue Blue area.
But will check nearer the time.
No point in splitting the centre left vote.
Let the far right destroy each other !

[Upinflames]

JackJarvis said:

super7 said:

Better the devil you know

It's frightening to think that's how some people will base their decision.

We know all the devils. That's the problem

[LunarOne]

And to think they're going to lose the election over some stinking potholes....


And the decrepit public transport infrastructure.


And a sickly health infrastructure.


And putting Priti Patel in charge of anything, not least the home office.


And masterminding the most destructive shift of foreign trade, immigration and legislative policy ever conceived.


And lying to the electorate about how it would benefit the nation. Although to give them a little credit, at least those lies were obvious, yet the electorate were too stupid to notice.


And failure to have any real plan whatsoever.


And failure to put in place any policies to mitigate the destruction.


If they'd only done things differently, the conservatives might still be electable...

[CivicDuties]

Tom8 said:

CivicDuties said:

bobbo89 said:

I'll never not vote
Con and Lab are both unappealing for different reasons.
Track record for Con, useless and Conservative in name only.
Lab because I don't trust Starmer, he was/is a Corbynite and there's still plenty of them in the party, potentially dangerous.
Lib Dems and Greens are just full of fruitloops
Reform and Indy you may as well spoil or not turn up

We're fked aren't we?

Can you name a LibDem "fruitloop"? Either a person or a policy. It's been a while since Lembit Opik darkened the doors of Parliament...

Their current and previous leaders for a start. Tim Farron and his beliefs, the woman who said she would become PM, the current guy and his hiding from his duties in relation to the post office. The only lib dem of any gravitas was Charles Kennedy. And he was a massive alcoholic. Says a lot.

"The woman" you speak of is no longer involved, so you can rest easy on that one. Tim Farron is enormously popular with his constituents, hence being re-elected time and again despite the party's vote collapsing in the previous 3 elections (yes he has some idiotic religious beliefs and has been caught out on them, but why does no-one ever say the same about Rees-Mogg for example), and Ed Davey is hardly the person solely responsible for the Post Office debacle as he wasn't the Minister for the whole of the last 25-30 years.

[bmwmike]

Incredible that anyone could vote conservative considering the absolute st show of the last few years.

That said, i'm in Wales. Its incredible that anyone could vote labour considering the absolute st show of the last few years.

[jshell]

chrispmartha said:

119 said:

chrispmartha said:

jshell said:

Starmer says he'd choose Davos and WEF over Westminster. Seems a bit strange to me...


https://x.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/status/1793544149821...

The absolute state of that guys twitter feed.

What is your view on what Kier said?

Id prefer to see the context if there is more, but my view?

Meh.

Regardless of the rest of that nutty feed, Keir Starmer is saying there that he'll put a non-UK based organisation (collection of billionaires and political strategists) over the needs of the UK and its Parliament.

THAT is not OK!

[chrispmartha]

jshell said:

chrispmartha said:

119 said:

chrispmartha said:

jshell said:

Starmer says he'd choose Davos and WEF over Westminster. Seems a bit strange to me...


https://x.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/status/1793544149821...

The absolute state of that guys twitter feed.

What is your view on what Kier said?

Id prefer to see the context if there is more, but my view?

Meh.

Regardless of the rest of that nutty feed, Keir Starmer is saying there that he'll put a non-UK based organisation (collection of billionaires and political strategists) over the needs of the UK and its Parliament.

THAT is not OK!

What do you mean he’ll ‘put’ it before, in what context?

[surveyor]

I have no idea who I will vote for.

I'm naturally Conservative, but certainly not hardened far right. I'm pretty disgusted by them, and do not believe Rishi has a clue of 'ordinary life'. I'm not saying policy should be designed around this, but the impact of policy should be understood.

On top of this the Conservative party is remarkably interfering with the market within I work, and common sense does not come into it. Perhaps it will with Labour.

Our local conservative MP actually is a good constitutionally honest MP.

I still don't understand Labour policy (is there any?).

Shrugs shoulders. it's a mess.