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Frankeh said:
Eric Mc said:
So - it goes like this.
I DON'T deliberately click on an advert but somehow, somew(..)
Keyword is highlighted. You should now understand my argument.I DON'T deliberately click on an advert but somehow, somew(..)
No wonder some of us get confused.
Are you imtimating that even if I DON'T deliberately click on a link and I DON'T deliberately go to that particular linked website that somehow I have generated some income for somebody else.
If that is the case, what a brilliant business model. We are helping businesses make money without even realising it, or, even better, without spending any of our own money.
Obviously, there must be an ethical element to this. After all, I wouldn't want to make certain people any richer than they already are.
PS - how can I set up a website where people pay me for something I haven't sold them?
Edited by Eric Mc on Monday 12th July 17:32
Eric Mc said:
PS - how can I set up a website where people pay me for something I haven't sold them?
Here is such a site:Edited by Eric Mc on Monday 12th July 17:32
Confused.com
Here's some more info on the subject if you want to learn more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affiliate_marketing
I'm done here.
Any link you click on could potentially be making someone money. It's that simple. The only way that you can be absolutely certain that you've never generated income for someone by following a link is if you never follow links, any links. HTTP referrer means a site knows where you came from.
It doesn't even have to be a link directly to a product site. It's like a pyramid - sites pay for traffic that they can then attempt to funnel to their referral links which may end up at products. The payment per referral is normally minuscule, obviously.
Highly trafficked science blogs can get paid this way too. Anyone with decent traffic can.
It doesn't even have to be a link directly to a product site. It's like a pyramid - sites pay for traffic that they can then attempt to funnel to their referral links which may end up at products. The payment per referral is normally minuscule, obviously.
Highly trafficked science blogs can get paid this way too. Anyone with decent traffic can.
Money for jam - isn't it.
I am aware of the linking system actually. I have a friend who runs a website which receives small incremental income through this route. At his level, it only amounts to pence though.
What got me was the rather rude and disparaging way in which the so called "experts" on this treated those who queried how this all worked.
On PH most people who offer advice or knowledge are usually quite well mannered and courteous.
Maybe those in the IT world are a breed apart - thinking that people who don't know as much as they do of the IT world are somehow a bit dim and worthy of contempt.
Maybe the fact that they operate in an environment where they can generate income without having to do anything that has encouraged such a disparaging atitude. I know if I was rude to those who pay me, I wouldn't stay in business very long.
I am aware of the linking system actually. I have a friend who runs a website which receives small incremental income through this route. At his level, it only amounts to pence though.
What got me was the rather rude and disparaging way in which the so called "experts" on this treated those who queried how this all worked.
On PH most people who offer advice or knowledge are usually quite well mannered and courteous.
Maybe those in the IT world are a breed apart - thinking that people who don't know as much as they do of the IT world are somehow a bit dim and worthy of contempt.
Maybe the fact that they operate in an environment where they can generate income without having to do anything that has encouraged such a disparaging atitude. I know if I was rude to those who pay me, I wouldn't stay in business very long.
Edited by Eric Mc on Monday 12th July 18:02
hairykrishna said:
Any link you click on could potentially be making someone money. It's that simple. The only way that you can be absolutely certain that you've never generated income for someone by following a link is if you never follow links, any links. HTTP referrer means a site knows where you came from.
It doesn't even have to be a link directly to a product site. It's like a pyramid - sites pay for traffic that they can then attempt to funnel to their referral links which may end up at products. The payment per referral is normally minuscule, obviously.
Highly trafficked science blogs can get paid this way too. Anyone with decent traffic can.
NO YOU SEE I NEVER CLICK ON ANYTHING EVER I ENTER THE IP ADDRESSES OR URL'S ALL BY HAND I AM SUCH A UNIQUE INDIVIDUAL AND SUPER SPECIAL THAT NO ONE CAN MAKE MONEY OFF OF MY INTERNET USING OF SCIENCE BLOGS, ALSO I AM AN IDIOT.It doesn't even have to be a link directly to a product site. It's like a pyramid - sites pay for traffic that they can then attempt to funnel to their referral links which may end up at products. The payment per referral is normally minuscule, obviously.
Highly trafficked science blogs can get paid this way too. Anyone with decent traffic can.
Willie Dee said:
hairykrishna said:
Any link you click on could potentially be making someone money. It's that simple. The only way that you can be absolutely certain that you've never generated income for someone by following a link is if you never follow links, any links. HTTP referrer means a site knows where you came from.
It doesn't even have to be a link directly to a product site. It's like a pyramid - sites pay for traffic that they can then attempt to funnel to their referral links which may end up at products. The payment per referral is normally minuscule, obviously.
Highly trafficked science blogs can get paid this way too. Anyone with decent traffic can.
NO YOU SEE I NEVER CLICK ON ANYTHING EVER I ENTER THE IP ADDRESSES OR URL'S ALL BY HAND I AM SUCH A UNIQUE INDIVIDUAL AND SUPER SPECIAL THAT NO ONE CAN MAKE MONEY OFF OF MY INTERNET USING OF SCIENCE BLOGS, ALSO I AM AN IDIOT.It doesn't even have to be a link directly to a product site. It's like a pyramid - sites pay for traffic that they can then attempt to funnel to their referral links which may end up at products. The payment per referral is normally minuscule, obviously.
Highly trafficked science blogs can get paid this way too. Anyone with decent traffic can.
Eric Mc said:
Money for jam - isn't it.
I am aware of the linking system actually. I have a friend who runs a website which receives small incremental income through this route. At his level, it only amounts to pence though.
What got me was the rather rude and disparaging way in which the so called "experts" on this treated those who queried how this all worked.
On PH most people who offer advice or knowledge are usually quite well mannered and courteous.
Maybe those in the IT world are a breed apart - thinking that people who don't know as much as they do of the IT world are somehow a bit dim and worthy of contempt.
Maybe the fact that they operate in an environment where they can generate income without having to do anything that has encouraged such a disparaging atitude. I know if I was rude to those who pay me, I wouldn't stay in busienss very long.
I wasn't rude to anyone if that's what you're implying. I merely pointed out when someone was wrong. I didn't say "Maybe you're wrong" because that wasn't the case.I am aware of the linking system actually. I have a friend who runs a website which receives small incremental income through this route. At his level, it only amounts to pence though.
What got me was the rather rude and disparaging way in which the so called "experts" on this treated those who queried how this all worked.
On PH most people who offer advice or knowledge are usually quite well mannered and courteous.
Maybe those in the IT world are a breed apart - thinking that people who don't know as much as they do of the IT world are somehow a bit dim and worthy of contempt.
Maybe the fact that they operate in an environment where they can generate income without having to do anything that has encouraged such a disparaging atitude. I know if I was rude to those who pay me, I wouldn't stay in busienss very long.
I don't understand how nuclear fission works but I don't go around telling people it doesn't work and that it's never worked and that no power I've used from my plug socket has come from nuclear fission.
Eric Mc said:
PS - how can I set up a website where people pay me for something I haven't sold them?
Like this.eharding said:
Eric Mc said:
PS - how can I set up a website where people pay me for something I haven't sold them?
Like this.
.I challenged an HMRC official as to what he actually sold me and he just laughed.
Eric Mc said:
What got me was the rather rude and disparaging way in which the so called "experts" on this treated those who queried how this all worked.
On PH most people who offer advice or knowledge are usually quite well mannered and courteous.
Maybe those in the IT world are a breed apart - thinking that people who don't know as much as they do of the IT world are somehow a bit dim and worthy of contempt.
Maybe the fact that they operate in an environment where they can generate income without having to do anything that has encouraged such a disparaging atitude.
The world of IT breeds egos but social skills are not required to get a foot in the door. Those who possess such skills have an edge over most in the industry, those who don't are confined to arguing obtuse points around petty issues on the internet. On PH most people who offer advice or knowledge are usually quite well mannered and courteous.
Maybe those in the IT world are a breed apart - thinking that people who don't know as much as they do of the IT world are somehow a bit dim and worthy of contempt.
Maybe the fact that they operate in an environment where they can generate income without having to do anything that has encouraged such a disparaging atitude.
TuxRacer said:
Eric Mc said:
What got me was the rather rude and disparaging way in which the so called "experts" on this treated those who queried how this all worked.
On PH most people who offer advice or knowledge are usually quite well mannered and courteous.
Maybe those in the IT world are a breed apart - thinking that people who don't know as much as they do of the IT world are somehow a bit dim and worthy of contempt.
Maybe the fact that they operate in an environment where they can generate income without having to do anything that has encouraged such a disparaging atitude.
The world of IT breeds egos but social skills are not required to get a foot in the door. Those who possess such skills have an edge over most in the industry, those who don't are confined to arguing obtuse points around petty issues on the internet. On PH most people who offer advice or knowledge are usually quite well mannered and courteous.
Maybe those in the IT world are a breed apart - thinking that people who don't know as much as they do of the IT world are somehow a bit dim and worthy of contempt.
Maybe the fact that they operate in an environment where they can generate income without having to do anything that has encouraged such a disparaging atitude.
People on the other hand
TuxRacer said:
The world of IT breeds egos
Whatever makes you say that?Willie Dee said:
Someone being hyperbolic, on my internet
ETA back on topic, I've actually signed up for the Times for a month for a quid. At that level it doesn't even register and I honestly like the reporting and commentary. I suspect that I will cancel after the 30 days are up though, as 8 quid odd a week does start to register.Edited by eyebeebe on Monday 12th July 19:40
Eric Mc said:
Willie Dee said:
hairykrishna said:
Any link you click on could potentially be making someone money. It's that simple. The only way that you can be absolutely certain that you've never generated income for someone by following a link is if you never follow links, any links. HTTP referrer means a site knows where you came from.
It doesn't even have to be a link directly to a product site. It's like a pyramid - sites pay for traffic that they can then attempt to funnel to their referral links which may end up at products. The payment per referral is normally minuscule, obviously.
Highly trafficked science blogs can get paid this way too. Anyone with decent traffic can.
NO YOU SEE I NEVER CLICK ON ANYTHING EVER I ENTER THE IP ADDRESSES OR URL'S ALL BY HAND I AM SUCH A UNIQUE INDIVIDUAL AND SUPER SPECIAL THAT NO ONE CAN MAKE MONEY OFF OF MY INTERNET USING OF SCIENCE BLOGS, ALSO I AM AN IDIOT.It doesn't even have to be a link directly to a product site. It's like a pyramid - sites pay for traffic that they can then attempt to funnel to their referral links which may end up at products. The payment per referral is normally minuscule, obviously.
Highly trafficked science blogs can get paid this way too. Anyone with decent traffic can.
Why would anybody click on a link unplanned - there's only enough time to read the content you went to examine, then either eat, drink, sleep, socialise, fornicate, excrete, travel, work, or go on PH and in no particular order
I suspect that the debate subliminally widened to encompass more than the initial disussion entailed. My own comment was that I probably clicked one ad per year by accident whether in an ad box or a link in text. Nothing more nothing less. Even PH links don't get clicked. That redirecting lengthier URL thing with all the % garbage is a right turn-off. Clearly there is lots of tracking going on and even though that's probably unavoidable, better to paste the URL into a browswer as far as I'm concerned.
What is avoidable is clicking on ads, clicking on links, and nobody as yet whether they are a genius or an idiot has demonstrated in any convincing way that this has happened in the case of another person such as me, and "obviously you have, fool" is better coming from intellectual giants like Mr T, and is about as convincing as saying anthropogenic carbon dioxide causes manmadeup global warming - interesting to note the tie-in with generality and reasoning by assertion here as means of 'proof' from people who should know better.
As to the manner of debate...other people's internet habits are not proof of anything relating to a third party, and clearly IT types are
Frankeh said:
I don't understand how we've got to this absurd hypothetical that has nothing to do with what anyone originally said..
"I never click ads"
"Yes you do.."
"Nope. I've never clicked ads in my life."
(Long explanations about why you've probably clicked many ads today and not realised it) X 3
"Nope. I've never clicked ads. Where's this payment coming from. Have I not paid my google bill yadda yadda yadda"
I think some would call that a straw man argument.
You're missing the point, possibly deliberately but who knows."I never click ads"
"Yes you do.."
"Nope. I've never clicked ads in my life."
(Long explanations about why you've probably clicked many ads today and not realised it) X 3
"Nope. I've never clicked ads. Where's this payment coming from. Have I not paid my google bill yadda yadda yadda"
I think some would call that a straw man argument.
Having run an online forum for a group of professionals it's obvious to me where the small beans ad money comes from. The kindly PHer who helped set up the forum put the Google ads on it. If a site visitor in this particular field wanted to click an ad link, the person who set up my website got a few cents or pennies or whatever and they were absolutely welcome to it, I had no interest in such things. Also I'm aware of links taking me to another website. They don't generally get clicked as per earlier posts. The point I made about Google has still not been answered in spite of dismissive non-replies from an individual or two who seem to be stuck for what passes as rational discussion.
So let's try again: I type in 'thin flux tube approximation' or whatever and go to an academic article. Who has paid whom as a result? It's not a matter of Google getting good advertising revenue because people visit their site occasionally while less informed people use it more often, that was not the point. Somebody said that if I used Google... with no other details given so no other requirement specified...then this was equivalent to clicking an advert in a box or a link. Really? How?
Once again the question is: purely as a result of typing in some words and then heading off to an article via a Google result (not a sponsored link) how does that necessarily mean that I've clicked on an advert that results in one party paying another?
Still waiting to know how, and which particular adlinks these psychic IT types know I've already visited.
Edited by turbobloke on Monday 12th July 20:07
Somewhatfoolish said:
turbobloke said:
As to the manner of debate...other people's internet habits are not proof of anything relating to a third party, and clearly IT types are idiots in need of social skills development
Last couple of pages they've certainly been proving your point for you 
It's such a shame I can't just open up a cookie explorer and show you the tracking cookies you've collected. They'll be there.
I've already said I can't explain it any better than I have already.
The fact of the matter is, you've clicked more than 1 sponsored/paid for link in the past year. You just don't know it or didn't notice and THAT'S why it's such a good form of advertising. It's seamless.
After all, the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
I've already said I can't explain it any better than I have already.
The fact of the matter is, you've clicked more than 1 sponsored/paid for link in the past year. You just don't know it or didn't notice and THAT'S why it's such a good form of advertising. It's seamless.
After all, the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
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