Should the BBC be privatised?

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TuxRacer

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193 months

Tuesday 29th June 2010
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Parrot of Doom said:
TuxRacer said:
Parrot of Doom said:
I don't watch ITV but still have to pay for the thing, every single time I visit the supermarket.
Other supermarkets are available. Ones which don't pay for ITV.
Really. Around me are Asda, Tesco, Sainsbury and Marks & Spencer. All advertise on television.

And what do those supermarkets sell?
Buckets of facetiousness apparently.

Fittster

20,120 posts

215 months

Tuesday 29th June 2010
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An important element of the last election was the leadership debate. This was driven by Sky News by threatening to empty chair Gordon Brown if he refused to take part.

Those sticking up for the TV tax talk about the education and political coverage of the BBC, can they justify all the commercial pap produced by the BBC?

Eric Mc

122,235 posts

267 months

Tuesday 29th June 2010
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Fittster said:
An important element of the last election was the leadership debate. This was driven by Sky News by threatening to empty chair Gordon Brown if he refused to take part.

Those sticking up for the TV tax talk about the education and political coverage of the BBC, can they justify all the commercial pap produced by the BBC?
Yes.

Next.

Fittster

20,120 posts

215 months

Tuesday 29th June 2010
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Eric Mc said:
Fittster said:
An important element of the last election was the leadership debate. This was driven by Sky News by threatening to empty chair Gordon Brown if he refused to take part.

Those sticking up for the TV tax talk about the education and political coverage of the BBC, can they justify all the commercial pap produced by the BBC?
Yes.

Next.
So the nation is improved by the government ensuring you have Total Wipe Out and East Enders.


Typical big government, socialist - panem et circenses.

jmorgan

36,010 posts

286 months

Tuesday 29th June 2010
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Ah, but we know there are other program's.


Life in the Freezer for example.

Eric Mc

122,235 posts

267 months

Tuesday 29th June 2010
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Fittster said:
Eric Mc said:
Fittster said:
An important element of the last election was the leadership debate. This was driven by Sky News by threatening to empty chair Gordon Brown if he refused to take part.

Those sticking up for the TV tax talk about the education and political coverage of the BBC, can they justify all the commercial pap produced by the BBC?
Yes.

Next.
So the nation is improved by the government ensuring you have Total Wipe Out and East Enders.


Typical big government, socialist - panem et circenses.
Panem et circenses is part of their brief - and has been since the 1920s - but is tempered with lots of other thought provoking stuff. On mainstream commercial TV it's panem et circenses all the time. In fact, commercial interests would chuck you lots of panem and other uninspiring stuff as long as you let them get on with screwing you financially - so I don't think the fully unopposed commercial model is ideal either.

As I said, having a non-commercial based channel or set of channels keeps the others in check to some extent (although less so than in past eras).

Edited by Eric Mc on Tuesday 29th June 14:13

qube_TA

8,402 posts

247 months

Tuesday 29th June 2010
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Wouldn't miss the BBC at all, I quite like their news website and Question Time, there's also Jonathan Ross (who's leaving) and Later.... With Jools Holland but there's nothing I can think of that I'd miss.

I've no time for radio as none would ever play music that I like and I'd rather read something online rather than listen to their opinion on the radio.

Can't remember the last time I watched ITV though, can't think of a single programme they have that I would want to watch.

I like my US dramas and watch a few of those usually via download and buy the boxed-set when they're available afterwards.

Whether the BBC offers good value or not is irrelevant as you can't opt out of it.

Can't fathom why anyone would pay for Sky.

onomatopoeia

3,472 posts

219 months

Tuesday 29th June 2010
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Eric Mc said:
As I said, having a non-commercial based channel or set of channels keeps the others in check to some extent (although less so than in past eras).
Very much less so nowadays, sadly. C4 does its own thing and a fair amount of it is good, but it always has done since it launched. ITV though, what has happened in the last 20 years? I can't see them making a Jewel in the Crown or Harry's game now. C5 and Sky aren't worth talking about.



Fittster

20,120 posts

215 months

Tuesday 29th June 2010
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onomatopoeia said:
Eric Mc said:
As I said, having a non-commercial based channel or set of channels keeps the others in check to some extent (although less so than in past eras).
Very much less so nowadays, sadly. C4 does its own thing and a fair amount of it is good, but it always has done since it launched. ITV though, what has happened in the last 20 years? I can't see them making a Jewel in the Crown or Harry's game now. C5 and Sky aren't worth talking about.
Sky that has a better news channel than the BBC's catch-up effort and the best sports coverage??

Then there's Sky arts.

tinman0

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242 months

Tuesday 29th June 2010
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Eric Mc

122,235 posts

267 months

Tuesday 29th June 2010
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onomatopoeia said:
Eric Mc said:
As I said, having a non-commercial based channel or set of channels keeps the others in check to some extent (although less so than in past eras).
Very much less so nowadays, sadly. C4 does its own thing and a fair amount of it is good, but it always has done since it launched. ITV though, what has happened in the last 20 years? I can't see them making a Jewel in the Crown or Harry's game now. C5 and Sky aren't worth talking about.
ITV deteriorated once the old overseeing body was abolished. The overseeing body was originally called the ITA (Independent Television Authority), then the IBA (Independent Braodcasting Authority) and finally the ITC (Independent Television Commission). You might remeber some of the logos







Another nail in the coffin was the abolition of the Monopolies And Mergers Commission which would not have allowed the regional elements of the ITV network to merge or buy each other out. Since 2003, ITV has essentially becaome a pan national behemoth - with virtually none of the regional variances that were the hallmark of the original network. Only a tinly handful of the old regional stations survive - most have been gobbled up by the amalgamated Granada/Carlton.

OnTheOverrun

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179 months

Tuesday 29th June 2010
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Eric Mc said:
Fittster said:
An important element of the last election was the leadership debate. This was driven by Sky News by threatening to empty chair Gordon Brown if he refused to take part.

Those sticking up for the TV tax talk about the education and political coverage of the BBC, can they justify all the commercial pap produced by the BBC?
Yes.

Next.
Go on then.

Fittster

20,120 posts

215 months

Tuesday 29th June 2010
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Eric Mc

122,235 posts

267 months

Tuesday 29th June 2010
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It's part of their charter, to "Inform, Educate and ENTERTAIN". They would be hauled over the coals by their governers if they didn't provide that "entertainment" element.

A while ago they had gone too far on the "entertainment" brief but I feel that in the past two years or so the BBC has reigned in some of the absolute cheesy stuff they had been doing.

Edited by Eric Mc on Tuesday 29th June 14:37

Fittster

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Eric Mc

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TuxRacer

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Tuesday 29th June 2010
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Instead you'll pay in lost time as truck loads of trees are delivered in the form of TV Licensing threat letters.

onomatopoeia

3,472 posts

219 months

Tuesday 29th June 2010
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You fail to deal with the issue that you are forced to pay for the BBC or go to prison.
Failure to have a correct TV licence is not an imprisonable offence, at least not the last time I looked. Has the law changed? When?

Fittster

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