'Your Freedom' what laws would you repeal?...
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excel789 said:
Johnnytheboy said:
Have a read of the comments by ASENNA
The ranting on about Safespeed's Paul Smith, the fact he's all over almost every proposal regarding speed limits, the posting of lots of somewhat tangential links, the rapid posting at 4 in the morning... this has got to be our old friend Spindrift/whatever else he's called himself on PH.
Amazing isn't it? You can tell it's that fascist The ranting on about Safespeed's Paul Smith, the fact he's all over almost every proposal regarding speed limits, the posting of lots of somewhat tangential links, the rapid posting at 4 in the morning... this has got to be our old friend Spindrift/whatever else he's called himself on PH.
after reading just a few lines of bile. Futuo said:
heebeegeetee said:
Futuo said:
Anybody seen anyone getting nutted because the other person has had 6 Lambert & Butler?
Anyone heard of a child being killed because the driver had smoked a pack of 10 Marlboro before setting off?
Booze cause far more social problems than smoking ever will, hey lets ban it, then you can't enjoy your particular vice just like me.
i don't care about any of that. Anyone heard of a child being killed because the driver had smoked a pack of 10 Marlboro before setting off?
Booze cause far more social problems than smoking ever will, hey lets ban it, then you can't enjoy your particular vice just like me.
You don't like 4x4s because they are dangerous to other road users yet seem to think that violent drunks and drink driving is all fine and well!!
how on earth have you managed to stretch your imagination to that???Booze makes people drink and drive?
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heebeegeetee said:
Futuo said:
heebeegeetee said:
Futuo said:
Anybody seen anyone getting nutted because the other person has had 6 Lambert & Butler?
Anyone heard of a child being killed because the driver had smoked a pack of 10 Marlboro before setting off?
Booze cause far more social problems than smoking ever will, hey lets ban it, then you can't enjoy your particular vice just like me.
i don't care about any of that. Anyone heard of a child being killed because the driver had smoked a pack of 10 Marlboro before setting off?
Booze cause far more social problems than smoking ever will, hey lets ban it, then you can't enjoy your particular vice just like me.
You don't like 4x4s because they are dangerous to other road users yet seem to think that violent drunks and drink driving is all fine and well!!
how on earth have you managed to stretch your imagination to that???Booze makes people drink and drive?
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Hedders said:
heebeegeetee said:
Futuo said:
heebeegeetee said:
Futuo said:
Anybody seen anyone getting nutted because the other person has had 6 Lambert & Butler?
Anyone heard of a child being killed because the driver had smoked a pack of 10 Marlboro before setting off?
Booze cause far more social problems than smoking ever will, hey lets ban it, then you can't enjoy your particular vice just like me.
i don't care about any of that. Anyone heard of a child being killed because the driver had smoked a pack of 10 Marlboro before setting off?
Booze cause far more social problems than smoking ever will, hey lets ban it, then you can't enjoy your particular vice just like me.
You don't like 4x4s because they are dangerous to other road users yet seem to think that violent drunks and drink driving is all fine and well!!
how on earth have you managed to stretch your imagination to that???Booze makes people drink and drive?
Aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh - hahahahahahahahahhahahaahhahahahahhahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Do you think the availability of alcohol makes people drink and drive?
And (while we're at it): Is the rate of RTAs better or worse in countries where the consumption of alcohol is banned? Roughly speaking i'd say it's likely to be far worse.
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Right, i've thought of an answer to the reason behind drink driving: I think it's because people who do it are weak. I expect that weakness manifests itself in other ways too.
heebeegeetee said:
Do you think the availability of alcohol makes people drink and drive?
Yes, If they did not get drunk they would not drink and drive. -
heebeegeetee said:
Right, i've thought of an answer to the reason behind drink driving: I think it's because people who do it are weak. I expect that weakness manifests itself in other ways too.
Only weak people feel the need to drink alcohol at all, it is a drug that some people need. They say they enjoy it, but they don't really, they just need it.You do understand that alcohol is just another addictive drug, right?
Hedders said:
heebeegeetee said:
Do you think the availability of alcohol makes people drink and drive?
1. Yes, If they did not get drunk they would not drink and drive. -
heebeegeetee said:
Right, i've thought of an answer to the reason behind drink driving: I think it's because people who do it are weak. I expect that weakness manifests itself in other ways too.
2. Only weak people feel the need to drink alcohol at all, it is a drug that some people need. They say they enjoy it, but they don't really, they just need it.You do understand that alcohol is just another addictive drug, right?
2. For the vast majority of people who enjoy a drink, that is totally wrong. I agree that the tramps who sit out in the rain taking drink after drink are addicted, just as those who stand outside in all weathers smoking are, but the vast majority of people are not. Without a doubt though, those who need 20 a day of anything are addicted.
But for the vast majority of people a drink is nice, be it an ice cold lager or a pint of good bitter or a delicious wine. A cigarette is never nice, it is never nice to draw smoke into the lungs. The difference is that those who are addicted to nicotine think that a cigarette is nice and choose to disregard the harm they do to themselves or even the fact that they stink.
As could be fairly easily predicted, most of this thread has been taken up by people spouting their usual entrenched positions on smoking, pro or anti.
It has to be said, though, that over on the site there are one hell of a lot more postings in support of a relaxing of the ban than there are people supporting it.
But the true point at issue is not the smoking ban per se, it is the matter of civil liberties, and the enabling of people to decide what they should be allowed to do in their own premises without a Nanny Knows Best state poking its nose into areas it should keep away from.
Bearing in mind that many people around here probably have political views that would make them think Vlad the Impaler was a bit of a drip, it amuses me to see so many of them wanting an ultra-left interventionist law upheld.
Or, in other words, you only believe in civil liberties when its your civil liberties we're talking about. Anybody else supporting their own civil liberties can fk off 
It has to be said, though, that over on the site there are one hell of a lot more postings in support of a relaxing of the ban than there are people supporting it.
But the true point at issue is not the smoking ban per se, it is the matter of civil liberties, and the enabling of people to decide what they should be allowed to do in their own premises without a Nanny Knows Best state poking its nose into areas it should keep away from.
Bearing in mind that many people around here probably have political views that would make them think Vlad the Impaler was a bit of a drip, it amuses me to see so many of them wanting an ultra-left interventionist law upheld.
Or, in other words, you only believe in civil liberties when its your civil liberties we're talking about. Anybody else supporting their own civil liberties can f
k off 
heebeegeetee said:
Hedders said:
heebeegeetee said:
Do you think the availability of alcohol makes people drink and drive?
1. Yes, If they did not get drunk they would not drink and drive. -
heebeegeetee said:
Right, i've thought of an answer to the reason behind drink driving: I think it's because people who do it are weak. I expect that weakness manifests itself in other ways too.
2. Only weak people feel the need to drink alcohol at all, it is a drug that some people need. They say they enjoy it, but they don't really, they just need it.You do understand that alcohol is just another addictive drug, right?
2. For the vast majority of people who enjoy a drink, that is totally wrong. I agree that the tramps who sit out in the rain taking drink after drink are addicted, just as those who stand outside in all weathers smoking are, but the vast majority of people are not. Without a doubt though, those who need 20 a day of anything are addicted.
But for the vast majority of people a drink is nice, be it an ice cold lager or a pint of good bitter or a delicious wine. A cigarette is never nice, it is never nice to draw smoke into the lungs. The difference is that those who are addicted to nicotine think that a cigarette is nice and choose to disregard the harm they do to themselves or even the fact that they stink.
I assume you are not much of a smoker so How do you know so much about whether a cigarette can be enjoyed or not?
I enjoy every cigarette i smoke, even though i am addicted.
Hedders said:
heebeegeetee said:
Hedders said:
heebeegeetee said:
Do you think the availability of alcohol makes people drink and drive?
1. Yes, If they did not get drunk they would not drink and drive. -
heebeegeetee said:
Right, i've thought of an answer to the reason behind drink driving: I think it's because people who do it are weak. I expect that weakness manifests itself in other ways too.
2. Only weak people feel the need to drink alcohol at all, it is a drug that some people need. They say they enjoy it, but they don't really, they just need it.You do understand that alcohol is just another addictive drug, right?
2. For the vast majority of people who enjoy a drink, that is totally wrong. I agree that the tramps who sit out in the rain taking drink after drink are addicted, just as those who stand outside in all weathers smoking are, but the vast majority of people are not. Without a doubt though, those who need 20 a day of anything are addicted.
But for the vast majority of people a drink is nice, be it an ice cold lager or a pint of good bitter or a delicious wine. A cigarette is never nice, it is never nice to draw smoke into the lungs. The difference is that those who are addicted to nicotine think that a cigarette is nice and choose to disregard the harm they do to themselves or even the fact that they stink.
I assume you are not much of a smoker so How do you know so much about whether a cigarette can be enjoyed or not?
I enjoy every cigarette i smoke, even though i am addicted.
How else would you be able to stand outside in the rain, when needs be, or not care that you smell?
heebeegeetee said:
How much did you enjoy your first cigarette of three? You didn't enjoy them at all, they repulsed you, but marketing is a very powerful tool so you continued until addicted, which doesn't take long. The addiction literally changes the way your mind works, and changes the way you think.
How else would you be able to stand outside in the rain, when needs be, or not care that you smell?
I enjoyed my first cigarette about as much as my first beer, they are an aquired taste!How else would you be able to stand outside in the rain, when needs be, or not care that you smell?
It is not the addiction that changes the way your mind works, it is the drug, nicotine. The same can of course be said for the drug, Alcohol.
We have already covered the standing outside thing, i will only do that when the weather is nice
Edited by Hedders on Thursday 8th July 22:38
Hedders said:
heebeegeetee said:
How much did you enjoy your first cigarette of three? You didn't enjoy them at all, they repulsed you, but marketing is a very powerful tool so you continued until addicted, which doesn't take long. The addiction literally changes the way your mind works, and changes the way you think.
How else would you be able to stand outside in the rain, when needs be, or not care that you smell?
I enjoyed my first cigarette about as much as my first beer, they are an aquired taste!How else would you be able to stand outside in the rain, when needs be, or not care that you smell?
It is not the addiction that changes the way your mind works, it is the drug, nicotine. The same can of course be said for the drug, Alcohol.
We have already covered the standing outside thing, i will only do that when the weather is nice
Edited by Hedders on Thursday 8th July 22:38
heebeegeetee said:
Hedders said:
heebeegeetee said:
How much did you enjoy your first cigarette of three? You didn't enjoy them at all, they repulsed you, but marketing is a very powerful tool so you continued until addicted, which doesn't take long. The addiction literally changes the way your mind works, and changes the way you think.
How else would you be able to stand outside in the rain, when needs be, or not care that you smell?
I enjoyed my first cigarette about as much as my first beer, they are an aquired taste!How else would you be able to stand outside in the rain, when needs be, or not care that you smell?
It is not the addiction that changes the way your mind works, it is the drug, nicotine. The same can of course be said for the drug, Alcohol.
We have already covered the standing outside thing, i will only do that when the weather is nice
Edited by Hedders on Thursday 8th July 22:38
Just because YOU don't like it, it doesn't make it anti-social. It makes YOU anti-social
Hedders said:
heebeegeetee said:
Hedders said:
heebeegeetee said:
How much did you enjoy your first cigarette of three? You didn't enjoy them at all, they repulsed you, but marketing is a very powerful tool so you continued until addicted, which doesn't take long. The addiction literally changes the way your mind works, and changes the way you think.
How else would you be able to stand outside in the rain, when needs be, or not care that you smell?
I enjoyed my first cigarette about as much as my first beer, they are an aquired taste!How else would you be able to stand outside in the rain, when needs be, or not care that you smell?
It is not the addiction that changes the way your mind works, it is the drug, nicotine. The same can of course be said for the drug, Alcohol.
We have already covered the standing outside thing, i will only do that when the weather is nice
Edited by Hedders on Thursday 8th July 22:38
Just because YOU don't like it, it doesn't make it anti-social. It makes YOU anti-social
Me not making people smell does not make me antisocial.
Welsh Language Act
The company I work for operates in over 60 different countries and Wales is the only one where we specifically have to have a statement to say we "recognise" Welsh speakers and their possible desire to conduct business in Welsh.
It's ironic how Eastern Europe are falling over themselves to learn English and then come over here to work, whereas the Welsh are determined to persevere with their seldom used ancient language.
The company I work for operates in over 60 different countries and Wales is the only one where we specifically have to have a statement to say we "recognise" Welsh speakers and their possible desire to conduct business in Welsh.
It's ironic how Eastern Europe are falling over themselves to learn English and then come over here to work, whereas the Welsh are determined to persevere with their seldom used ancient language.
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