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Tallbut Buxomly said:
fergywales said:
How many employees does an average supermarket have? How many job exist when the central support and distribution aspect are taken into consideration?
British jobs?? Not many. A lot of products are foreign sourced and foreign delivered. Probably around 70-80% are sourced from outside the uk due to being cheaper. Thereby creating jobs for foreigners but not those in the uk.Their supermarkets don't really create that many jobs in the grand scheme of things. The fallout from their stores creates more job losses than it creates.
Tallbut Buxomly said:
British jobs?? Not many. A lot of products are foreign sourced and foreign delivered. Probably around 70-80% are sourced from outside the uk due to being cheaper. Thereby creating jobs for foreigners but not those in the uk.
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Damn Tesco , they are to blame for everything .
fergywales said:
Yes, because the Big Four Supermarkets are really going to engage in mass price-fixing, with the risk of legal intervention and financial penalties. 
Tbh with Satanco and Buy N Large the main suppliers and having commoditised everything, explicit collusion is unnecessary; the 'perfectly duopolistic' model proceeds with a tacit understanding that basically, they have it all sewn up; why kill each other, already? Competition schmission!fergywales said:
So you'd disagree if I said each supermarket in the UK employs about 150 people to run, when all parts of the business are considered? How many supermarkets are there in the UK? Maybe 5000?
If every supermarket creates 150 jobs but costs 200 local jobs??? You then have 50 local people per store without a job.Hence why you have 500 people applying for just 14 positions at a tescos this week..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1381190/50...
And yes i know i am referencing a wail article however...
Tescos like all supermarkets sell almost everything you could ever need under one roof including cars now as well meaning lower overheads and less staff required than individual stores. Simple stuff really.
Tallbut Buxomly said:
fergywales said:
So you'd disagree if I said each supermarket in the UK employs about 150 people to run, when all parts of the business are considered? How many supermarkets are there in the UK? Maybe 5000?
If every supermarket creates 150 jobs but costs 200 local jobs??? You then have 50 local people per store without a job.Hence why you have 500 people applying for just 14 positions at a tescos this week..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1381190/50...
And yes i know i am referencing a wail article however...
Tescos like all supermarkets sell almost everything you could ever need under one roof including cars now as well meaning lower overheads and less staff required than individual stores. Simple stuff really.
Can you now find a similar source that, in just one instance, the opening of a supermarket, creating roughly 150 jobs, has in fact cost a community, for arguments sake, 151 jobs (or anything on that scale, when the distribution and support network is taken into consideration, which does not exist for small, independent retailers) as a direct consequence.
Daily Wail shock headlines aside, don't you think if Tesco were so inherently evil, our warring political parties in this country would be including plans to deal with their business practices in their manifestos and doorstepping at present? The nice chap from Sheep Shaggers R Us that wanted to bend my ear (until he heard an English accent in Wales
) last night was telling me how they are relaxing local planning regulations so that jobs can be created more easily by big companies wishing to establish themselves on a local level.Small businesses that have failed due to supermarkets opening in their immediate area normally employ a very small number of people, who are not just till operators, but shelf stackers and stock checkers and keyholders too.
Your argument is flawed because you refuse to see the potential benefits as well as the potential negatives. Closed thinking is dangerous. You call Tesco corrupt, claim that big supermarkets import foreign products because of the cost-saving benefit to the detriment of UK producers, yet you've failed to consider (or state) that you have studied independent retailers at length and endorse their business practices.
Do you think all small shopkeepers in the UK source all their products locally?
Do you ever shop in a 'Premier' mini-mart? (Franchise shop model of Booker Cash & Carry)
Or a SPAR/Martin's/Johnson's? (Stock by same supplier group as Morrison's & Sainsbury's)
Are you aware of how their product ranges are sourced? (Bulk order to suppliers, on 90 day minimum payment terms, or lose their supply contract).
ETA - Tesco Cars is online is it not? Don't think they are planning on taking up valuable car park space to flog some 3 year old Fiestas
fergywales said:
Great! A shocking article which states that, currently, the number of people seeking work outweighs the number of roles available! Groundbreaking news!
Can you now find a similar source that, in just one instance, the opening of a supermarket, creating roughly 150 jobs, has in fact cost a community, for arguments sake, 151 jobs (or anything on that scale, when the distribution and support network is taken into consideration, which does not exist for small, independent retailers) as a direct consequence.
Daily Wail shock headlines aside, don't you think if Tesco were so inherently evil, our warring political parties in this country would be including plans to deal with their business practices in their manifestos and doorstepping at present? The nice chap from Sheep Shaggers R Us that wanted to bend my ear (until he heard an English accent in Wales) last night was telling me how they are relaxing local planning regulations so that jobs can be created more easily by big companies wishing to establish themselves on a local level.
Small businesses that have failed due to supermarkets opening in their immediate area normally employ a very small number of people, who are not just till operators, but shelf stackers and stock checkers and keyholders too.
Your argument is flawed because you refuse to see the potential benefits as well as the potential negatives. Closed thinking is dangerous. You call Tesco corrupt, claim that big supermarkets import foreign products because of the cost-saving benefit to the detriment of UK producers, yet you've failed to consider (or state) that you have studied independent retailers at length and endorse their business practices.
Do you think all small shopkeepers in the UK source all their products locally?
Do you ever shop in a 'Premier' mini-mart? (Franchise shop model of Booker Cash & Carry)
Or a SPAR/Martin's/Johnson's? (Stock by same supplier group as Morrison's & Sainsbury's)
Are you aware of how their product ranges are sourced? (Bulk order to suppliers, on 90 day minimum payment terms, or lose their supply contract).
ETA - Tesco Cars is online is it not? Don't think they are planning on taking up valuable car park space to flog some 3 year old Fiestas
And for that exact reason i see no point in continuing to discuss this with you due to your lack of a grasp on the realities of life. Can you now find a similar source that, in just one instance, the opening of a supermarket, creating roughly 150 jobs, has in fact cost a community, for arguments sake, 151 jobs (or anything on that scale, when the distribution and support network is taken into consideration, which does not exist for small, independent retailers) as a direct consequence.
Daily Wail shock headlines aside, don't you think if Tesco were so inherently evil, our warring political parties in this country would be including plans to deal with their business practices in their manifestos and doorstepping at present? The nice chap from Sheep Shaggers R Us that wanted to bend my ear (until he heard an English accent in Wales
) last night was telling me how they are relaxing local planning regulations so that jobs can be created more easily by big companies wishing to establish themselves on a local level.Small businesses that have failed due to supermarkets opening in their immediate area normally employ a very small number of people, who are not just till operators, but shelf stackers and stock checkers and keyholders too.
Your argument is flawed because you refuse to see the potential benefits as well as the potential negatives. Closed thinking is dangerous. You call Tesco corrupt, claim that big supermarkets import foreign products because of the cost-saving benefit to the detriment of UK producers, yet you've failed to consider (or state) that you have studied independent retailers at length and endorse their business practices.
Do you think all small shopkeepers in the UK source all their products locally?
Do you ever shop in a 'Premier' mini-mart? (Franchise shop model of Booker Cash & Carry)
Or a SPAR/Martin's/Johnson's? (Stock by same supplier group as Morrison's & Sainsbury's)
Are you aware of how their product ranges are sourced? (Bulk order to suppliers, on 90 day minimum payment terms, or lose their supply contract).
ETA - Tesco Cars is online is it not? Don't think they are planning on taking up valuable car park space to flog some 3 year old Fiestas
As I understand Tesco own.
Supermarket
Express
Metro
Extra
One stop
Tesco Direct online
Dobbies Garden Shop
Technika (own Brand)
Petrol Stations
Film Studio
Binkbox
Tesco Bank
Record label.
This doesn't take in to account that they can pretty much compete with any retailer or industry.
They do drive prices down short turn, but like any monopoly long term the prices actually end up higher..
Supermarket
Express
Metro
Extra
One stop
Tesco Direct online
Dobbies Garden Shop
Technika (own Brand)
Petrol Stations
Film Studio
Binkbox
Tesco Bank
Record label.
This doesn't take in to account that they can pretty much compete with any retailer or industry.
They do drive prices down short turn, but like any monopoly long term the prices actually end up higher..
Tallbut Buxomly said:
fergywales said:
Great! A shocking article which states that, currently, the number of people seeking work outweighs the number of roles available! Groundbreaking news!
Can you now find a similar source that, in just one instance, the opening of a supermarket, creating roughly 150 jobs, has in fact cost a community, for arguments sake, 151 jobs (or anything on that scale, when the distribution and support network is taken into consideration, which does not exist for small, independent retailers) as a direct consequence.
Daily Wail shock headlines aside, don't you think if Tesco were so inherently evil, our warring political parties in this country would be including plans to deal with their business practices in their manifestos and doorstepping at present? The nice chap from Sheep Shaggers R Us that wanted to bend my ear (until he heard an English accent in Wales) last night was telling me how they are relaxing local planning regulations so that jobs can be created more easily by big companies wishing to establish themselves on a local level.
Small businesses that have failed due to supermarkets opening in their immediate area normally employ a very small number of people, who are not just till operators, but shelf stackers and stock checkers and keyholders too.
Your argument is flawed because you refuse to see the potential benefits as well as the potential negatives. Closed thinking is dangerous. You call Tesco corrupt, claim that big supermarkets import foreign products because of the cost-saving benefit to the detriment of UK producers, yet you've failed to consider (or state) that you have studied independent retailers at length and endorse their business practices.
Do you think all small shopkeepers in the UK source all their products locally?
Do you ever shop in a 'Premier' mini-mart? (Franchise shop model of Booker Cash & Carry)
Or a SPAR/Martin's/Johnson's? (Stock by same supplier group as Morrison's & Sainsbury's)
Are you aware of how their product ranges are sourced? (Bulk order to suppliers, on 90 day minimum payment terms, or lose their supply contract).
ETA - Tesco Cars is online is it not? Don't think they are planning on taking up valuable car park space to flog some 3 year old Fiestas
And for that exact reason i see no point in continuing to discuss this with you due to your lack of a grasp on the realities of life. Can you now find a similar source that, in just one instance, the opening of a supermarket, creating roughly 150 jobs, has in fact cost a community, for arguments sake, 151 jobs (or anything on that scale, when the distribution and support network is taken into consideration, which does not exist for small, independent retailers) as a direct consequence.
Daily Wail shock headlines aside, don't you think if Tesco were so inherently evil, our warring political parties in this country would be including plans to deal with their business practices in their manifestos and doorstepping at present? The nice chap from Sheep Shaggers R Us that wanted to bend my ear (until he heard an English accent in Wales
) last night was telling me how they are relaxing local planning regulations so that jobs can be created more easily by big companies wishing to establish themselves on a local level.Small businesses that have failed due to supermarkets opening in their immediate area normally employ a very small number of people, who are not just till operators, but shelf stackers and stock checkers and keyholders too.
Your argument is flawed because you refuse to see the potential benefits as well as the potential negatives. Closed thinking is dangerous. You call Tesco corrupt, claim that big supermarkets import foreign products because of the cost-saving benefit to the detriment of UK producers, yet you've failed to consider (or state) that you have studied independent retailers at length and endorse their business practices.
Do you think all small shopkeepers in the UK source all their products locally?
Do you ever shop in a 'Premier' mini-mart? (Franchise shop model of Booker Cash & Carry)
Or a SPAR/Martin's/Johnson's? (Stock by same supplier group as Morrison's & Sainsbury's)
Are you aware of how their product ranges are sourced? (Bulk order to suppliers, on 90 day minimum payment terms, or lose their supply contract).
ETA - Tesco Cars is online is it not? Don't think they are planning on taking up valuable car park space to flog some 3 year old Fiestas
So, for balance of argument, could you explain to me the systems and processes directly attributed to a small, independent retailer for the following areas:
- Area Management
- Procurement
- Marketing
- Accounting
- Merchandising
- Legal
- Distribution centre
- Maintenance
black pipebandit said:
As I understand Tesco own.
Supermarket
Express
Metro
Extra
One stop
Tesco Direct online
Dobbies Garden Shop
Technika (own Brand)
Petrol Stations
Film Studio
Binkbox
Tesco Bank
Record label.
This doesn't take in to account that they can pretty much compete with any retailer or industry.
They do drive prices down short turn, but like any monopoly long term the prices actually end up higher..
600ish stores, operated as a separate business, simply share distribution and supplier benefits.Supermarket
Express
Metro
Extra
One stop
Tesco Direct online
Dobbies Garden Shop
Technika (own Brand)
Petrol Stations
Film Studio
Binkbox
Tesco Bank
Record label.
This doesn't take in to account that they can pretty much compete with any retailer or industry.
They do drive prices down short turn, but like any monopoly long term the prices actually end up higher..
colonel c said:
black pipebandit said:
They do drive prices down short turn, but like any monopoly long term the prices actually end up higher..
I think at that point you should have included some sort of proof to validate your statement. 
goldblum said:
davepoth said:
The problem with this is of course that when Tesco has finished putting the local competitors out of business, the prices will go up. Way up.
When looking at planning permission, the planners are supposed to check if the development is actually needed. It rarely works this way; In Bath, we still don't have a Lidl because planners worried that it would impact upon the non-food retailers in our new town centre shopping centre. We do however have 5 new Tescos either built or being built, and a new Sainsbury.
Very first rule of business when you find yourself the only player in a market.When looking at planning permission, the planners are supposed to check if the development is actually needed. It rarely works this way; In Bath, we still don't have a Lidl because planners worried that it would impact upon the non-food retailers in our new town centre shopping centre. We do however have 5 new Tescos either built or being built, and a new Sainsbury.
Even drug dealers follow this rule.Lol
99% of Tesco Express prices will be the same whether it's an Express store next to several other competitors in central London or whether it's the only shop for miles in a small village somewhere.
The logistics of multiple prices are just too complex to manage.
oyster said:
Utterly wrong.
99% of Tesco Express prices will be the same whether it's an Express store next to several other competitors in central London or whether it's the only shop for miles in a small village somewhere.
The logistics of multiple prices are just too complex to manage.
Mine must be the one percent then.99% of Tesco Express prices will be the same whether it's an Express store next to several other competitors in central London or whether it's the only shop for miles in a small village somewhere.
The logistics of multiple prices are just too complex to manage.
fergywales said:
That wouldn't be very sensationalist though, would it?
As has been shown in numerous watchdog and other reviews (and its not exclusive to tesco's) they do put their prices up through very clever marketing such as the small two for one deals that are more expensive than if you simply buy one larger item etc.They have been shown to very closely skirt false advertising rules in sales to maximise profit. If they could find a way to charge more for less you can bet your life they will.
Tallbut Buxomly said:
As has been shown in numerous watchdog and other reviews (and its not exclusive to tesco's) they do put their prices up through very clever marketing such as the small two for one deals that are more expensive than if you simply buy one larger item etc.
They have been shown to very closely skirt false advertising rules in sales to maximise profit. If they could find a way to charge more for less you can bet your life they will.
Who is to blame ? people who do not look at the prices on 2 for 1 deals or Tesco for trying it on They have been shown to very closely skirt false advertising rules in sales to maximise profit. If they could find a way to charge more for less you can bet your life they will.
oyster said:
Utterly wrong.
99% of Tesco Express prices will be the same whether it's an Express store next to several other competitors in central London or whether it's the only shop for miles in a small village somewhere.
The logistics of multiple prices are just too complex to manage.
Disagree, the prices at our local Tesco Garage aren't even consistent with the prices in the main store it's a part of. The prices at the Express stores also differ by a couple of pence depending which store you go to.99% of Tesco Express prices will be the same whether it's an Express store next to several other competitors in central London or whether it's the only shop for miles in a small village somewhere.
The logistics of multiple prices are just too complex to manage.
Tallbut Buxomly said:
As has been shown in numerous watchdog and other reviews (and its not exclusive to tesco's) they do put their prices up through very clever marketing such as the small two for one deals that are more expensive than if you simply buy one larger item etc.
They have been shown to very closely skirt false advertising rules in sales to maximise profit. If they could find a way to charge more for less you can bet your life they will.
Happens all the time at our local Tesco supermarket. Items will be advertised on offer and yet when you put it through the till you're still charged the normal price. If you only have a few items you pick up on this, but if you're doing a large shop you'd never know till you went through your receipt (if you even bother to). The other big scam is on chocolate; you get to the till and find they're still the normal price and not the offer price because the bag you picked up weighs slightly more (because there's an additional 25% or whatever free) than what was on the offer label. Of course when you go back to pick up the correct bag you discover it simply doesn't exist. At all. Or they simply choose to not stock them. They have been shown to very closely skirt false advertising rules in sales to maximise profit. If they could find a way to charge more for less you can bet your life they will.
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