45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 5)

[Halb]

Shakermaker said:

At some point after January 20th 2019, would the GOP just be likely to oust Trump and then install Pence as President, who can then serve out the rest of Trump's term and still qualify to run for two further terms?

They'd be gutting themselves as the Trump Rump would simply make their own party.

[Countdown]

Halb said:

Shakermaker said:

At some point after January 20th 2019, would the GOP just be likely to oust Trump and then install Pence as President, who can then serve out the rest of Trump's term and still qualify to run for two further terms?

They'd be gutting themselves as the Trump Rump would simply make their own party.

It would basically be the Tea Party with a leader who sells them a brand of bullst that they enjoy swallowing.

[Tony33]

Halb said:

Shakermaker said:

At some point after January 20th 2019, would the GOP just be likely to oust Trump and then install Pence as President, who can then serve out the rest of Trump's term and still qualify to run for two further terms?

They'd be gutting themselves as the Trump Rump would simply make their own party.

Indeed and wouldn't Pence be seen as Putin's nodding dog's nodding dog?

[Countdown]

Tony33 said:

Halb said:

Shakermaker said:

At some point after January 20th 2019, would the GOP just be likely to oust Trump and then install Pence as President, who can then serve out the rest of Trump's term and still qualify to run for two further terms?

They'd be gutting themselves as the Trump Rump would simply make their own party.

Indeed and wouldn't Pence be seen as Putin's nodding dog's nodding dog?

Unlike Trump, Pence has a mind of his own. Not a particularly nice mind, mind......

[Shakermaker]

Halb said:

They'd be gutting themselves as the Trump Rump would simply make their own party.

One which would likely see much less credible opposition to either the Republicans or the Democrats though, surely? Those who voted for Trump because of the "Rosette on a Donkey" way of voting would go back to the proper Rep candidate, no?

[captain_cynic]

Tony33 said:

Halb said:

Shakermaker said:

At some point after January 20th 2019, would the GOP just be likely to oust Trump and then install Pence as President, who can then serve out the rest of Trump's term and still qualify to run for two further terms?

They'd be gutting themselves as the Trump Rump would simply make their own party.

Indeed and wouldn't Pence be seen as Putin's nodding dog's nodding dog?

Pence is the Evangelicals nodding dog, he is supported primarily by the far-right religious (think along the lines of the "God Hates", hardcore Baptist crowd).

As such most of the republicans are simply holding their nose and supporting Trump because Pence isn't a better option. Even if the Dems dominate the mid-terms I think they'll keep Trump because he's doing such a great job at making them popular.

I think we're stuck with him until 2020, even if he's impeached congress still has to vote to remove him (IIRC, I'm not an expert on US electoral law).

[Byker28i]

Shakermaker said:

At some point after January 20th 2019, would the GOP just be likely to oust Trump and then install Pence as President, who can then serve out the rest of Trump's term and still qualify to run for two further terms?

Someone should point out that the bible/Revelations says the world will end be announced with Trump/Pence, not trumpets

[Byker28i]

captain_cynic said:

Tony33 said:

Halb said:

Shakermaker said:

At some point after January 20th 2019, would the GOP just be likely to oust Trump and then install Pence as President, who can then serve out the rest of Trump's term and still qualify to run for two further terms?

They'd be gutting themselves as the Trump Rump would simply make their own party.

Indeed and wouldn't Pence be seen as Putin's nodding dog's nodding dog?

Pence is the Evangelicals nodding dog, he is supported primarily by the far-right religious (think along the lines of the "God Hates", hardcore Baptist crowd).

As such most of the republicans are simply holding their nose and supporting Trump because Pence isn't a better option. Even if the Dems dominate the mid-terms I think they'll keep Trump because he's doing such a great job at making them popular.

I think we're stuck with him until 2020, even if he's impeached congress still has to vote to remove him (IIRC, I'm not an expert on US electoral law).

The US's biggest chance is for a Dem takeover of congress and the house in the midterms

The really good news is that the youth have been energised to vote after the inaction over school shootings.
https://www.nbcnews.com/card/young-voters-make-sig...

[captain_cynic]

Byker28i said:

The US's biggest chance is for a Dem takeover of congress and the house in the midterms

I definitely think they'll take over the house, maybe not the senate but it'll be close. The question is whether they'll just take over so the Republicans don't have the numbers or if it'll be a massacre.

In either case, even if they get a super majority I doubt they'll want to get rid of Trump as he's so good at making mistakes and will scare swing voters away from the Reps for a long time.

[Byker28i]

Getting the youth to vote will be essential for the Dems, there's a big untapped base there. They need to embrace the gun control agenda for this

[Byker28i]

Great polls figures for trump....oh
49% think he was treasonous in Helsinki

Half (51%) of the country agrees that Russia will meddle in the upcoming November 2018 midterm elections, and just a quarter (26%) agree that the Trump Administration is able to prevent future Russian threats.


https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/Half-of-Ame...

[vonuber]

If the Dems win though won't the Trumpists say it was because of Russian meddling?
And vice versa?

Putin's played a blinder hasn't he.

[Tallow]

Byker28i said:

The US's biggest chance is for a Dem takeover of congress and the house in the midterms

The really good news is that the youth have been energised to vote after the inaction over school shootings.
https://www.nbcnews.com/card/young-voters-make-sig...

Depends who you ask, it would seem, Byker: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/7/18/...

I hope that they do, but I am rather loathe to accept any poll information at the moment - especially given this is literally about Russia manipulating the election. It makes it somewhat harder to predict what will happen!

[Countdown]

Byker28i said:

Great polls figures for trump....oh
49% think he was treasonous in Helsinki

It's frightening that 51% don't. F me sideways, he literally said he believe Putin over his own security agencies.

Byker28i said:

Half (51%) of the country agrees that Russia will meddle in the upcoming November 2018 midterm elections,

Again, given the volumes of evidence so far, it's frightening to think that 49% don't agree.

There is a massive bedrock of support for Trump. If he was only half the buffoon he's turned out to be, kept his mouth shut for 4 years, and relied on the Economy continuing to boom, he would have walked it in 2020.

[Byker28i]

Tallow said:

Byker28i said:

The US's biggest chance is for a Dem takeover of congress and the house in the midterms

The really good news is that the youth have been energised to vote after the inaction over school shootings.
https://www.nbcnews.com/card/young-voters-make-sig...

Depends who you ask, it would seem, Byker: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/7/18/...

I hope that they do, but I am rather loathe to accept any poll information at the moment - especially given this is literally about Russia manipulating the election. It makes it somewhat harder to predict what will happen!

Speaking to my friend in Florida, it's big after the Stoneman Douglas shooting, then those politically motivated students have been heavily active on social media, traveling to other states etc. If they could flip Florida that would be a start.

[Byker28i]

NY Times aren't holding back
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/19/opinion/trump-r...

Over the course of my career as an undercover officer in the C.I.A., I saw Russian intelligence manipulate many people. I never thought I would see the day when an American president would be one of them.

The president’s failure to defend the United States intelligence community’s unanimous conclusions of Russian meddling in the 2016 election and condemn Russian covert counterinfluence campaigns and his standing idle on the world stage while a Russian dictator spouted lies confused many but should concern all Americans. By playing into Vladimir Putin’s hands, the leader of the free world actively participated in a Russian disinformation campaign that legitimized Russian denial and weakened the credibility of the United States to both our friends and foes abroad.

[Tallow]

Byker28i said:

Speaking to my friend in Florida, it's big after the Stoneman Douglas shooting, then those politically motivated students have been heavily active on social media, traveling to other states etc. If they could flip Florida that would be a start.

It definitely feels like something more substantial is happening. I think the best chance for a signifiant change to take the house and the senate would be for the Democrats to go for the jugular on the treason narrative. We'll see what happens, but certainly a lot of these trials look like they will have quite bad timing for Trump.

TBH On the high school shooting side of things, I've not really heard much said lately - but then I'm not a student and I don't have kids, so I guess it's less likely to come up too much in my social circles.

[Challo]

Has Trump losing his marbles? Now spending his morning retweeting his own tweets.

Nothing else to do that's more important I guess.

[Tony33]

Challo said:

Has Trump losing his marbles? Now spending his morning retweeting his own tweets.

Nothing else to do that's more important I guess.

Bigliest retweet stats ever, so many people agree, look there is another one! Winning!

[p1stonhead]

Duh dum. Duh dum. Dum dum dum dum dum dum dum....