Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 3)

[Garvin]

Derek Smith said:

This is nothing to do with the boy nor the NHS. To suggest it was 'stage managed to benefit Corbyn' is irrelevant. In any case it was just a journo looking for a story in all probability, and he got one. It is all about Johnson behaving poorly when under a wee bit of pressure. It's something any politician should be able to put to bed, so to speak. It was a simple enough problem, but he blew it big time.

It's a shame that the child and mother have been used for political purposes against their wishes, budt it's done now and Johnson has shown himself inept at dealing with a spontaneous incident.

Is it a skill a pm should have, you know, this thinking quickly without a prepared retort? I'd say yes, but I am not, at least on PH, in a majority.

Johnson cracked.

Re my emboldened bit above. Do me a favour! This Mum is quite happy to send pictures to the press, then be photographed with her child, splashed across tabloids and quoted in apparently transferring her allegiance from Conservative to Labour and you still believe it was politicised against her will. Absolute bks.

[don'tbesilly]

Brooking10 said:

don'tbesilly said:

Brooking10 said:

don'tbesilly said:

What absolute nonsense, without the despicable use of a child in a political point scoring exercise the story wouldn't exist.

I know you really like Boris but are you ascribing superhuman powers of foresight to him as well as his political genius ?

How can you get so much wrong?

I've made my position on BJ known in quite a number of posts, yet you make such an ill judged statement with nothing to back it up.

It isn’t difficult.

You are appearing to claim that his appallingly bad handling of yesterday’s events are not the primary issue and are glossing over them as a result of the politicising of the child’s alleged situation.

I know you aren’t the most adroit and that any time you are challenged it’s a resort to bluster or ignoring the answer but come on. The “show me where Boris has said NI won’t be a problem” incident was a a classic example

Maybe his powers of seeing through things are so acute he can your GT3

When you've either sobered up or properly woken up could you put together a post that's coherent and is worthy of a response.
I can only assume your still sore from the exchange the other day when you had to resort to juvenile retorts to bolster your rather flimsy
position.

[FN2TypeR]

dazwalsh said:

Just very briefly going back to the little lad in hospital, the main problem was the lack of a physical bed, rather than the time he was seen in, the staffing levels and the quality of care?

Still Boris could have easily said it is appualing bla bla but we are knocking down this old heap of a hospital and giving leeds a new world class one that will eliminate what happened to poor Jack or harry or whatever his name is.

But no, he pinched a journalist's phone and caused a ststorm as usual because he is unable to think on the go and ends up doing or saying something stupid, which other parties go against him on.

Yeah, but he's gonna get Brexit done with his super duper level head and crack negotiating skills, just like when he got a new (sic) deal from the EU that threw his confidence and supply partners under the bus and broke every red line in the book as it'll put a border down the Irish sea

[Taffer]

Vanden Saab said:

How about looking at the piece you have linked it gives you all the proof you need..look at the wheels on the BED next to the boy who it is claimed in the report is in a treatment room without one... NHS beds are unusual as many have horizontal wheels to avoid damaging the walls. clearly seen in the picture of the boy on the floor...

Other mobile equipment, such as 'crash' carts, equipment trolleys, and mobile workstations have similar horizontal wheels. Judging from the small size of the castoring wheels, that is very much NOT a hospital bed.

Seeing as the hospital already admitted the boy didn't have a bed and apologised, maybe try not clutching at straws so much?

[anonymous-user]

don'tbesilly said:

When you've either sobered up or properly woken up could you put together a post that's coherent and is worthy of a response.
I can only assume your still sore from the exchange the other day when you had to resort to juvenile retorts to bolster your rather flimsy
position.

Classic cut and paste DBS response.

As for the “sobered up” don’t resort to Goonerisms. Nobody does it better than him It’s a little early to be on the pop over here anyway.

Remind me what was your response to the “show me evidence of Boris saying NI wouldn’t be a problem” ? question ?

On the matter at hand what specifically is your view on how Boris handled the interview ? I may be wrong but I don’t think I have seen it yet. Do you think it showed ability under pressure and statesmanlike behaviour or is it irrelevant given a certain view on the alleged backstory ?

[rdjohn]

ChevyChase77 said:

"What
@jeremycorbyn
isn’t telling you is that under labour this Leeds hospital with PFI borrowed £237m in 2002 paid back over 30 yrs,the amount they are paying back is £1.016bn!The annual interest is crippling them. Labours legacy"


https://twitter.com/DawnWestgate/status/1204105274...

Nor, are any of the media, that have been around a long time, reminding us of this gross error.

A friend recently spent 23 of 25 hours on a trolley in a corridor at Arrow Park hospital with heart issue. The irony was that the hospital insisted that they Ambulance staff cared for him.

One way of stopping the inflow of new patients.

[anonymous-user]

Brooking10 said:

don'tbesilly said:

When you've either sobered up or properly woken up could you put together a post that's coherent and is worthy of a response.
I can only assume your still sore from the exchange the other day when you had to resort to juvenile retorts to bolster your rather flimsy
position.

Classic cut and paste DBS response.

Remind me what was your response to the “show me evidence of Boris saying NI wouldn’t be a problem” ? question ?

On the matter at hand what specifically is your view on how Boris handled the interview ? I may be wrong but I don’t think I have seen it yet. Do you think it showed ability under pressure and statesmanlike behaviour or is it irrelevant given a certain view on the alleged backstory ?

It’s like you’re arguing with a robot just mindlessly and endlessly churning out defence(s) of Boris and his behaviour.

Must defend the conservatives. . . Must defend the conservatives. . .

[bitchstewie]

El stovey said:

Brooking10 said:

don'tbesilly said:

When you've either sobered up or properly woken up could you put together a post that's coherent and is worthy of a response.
I can only assume your still sore from the exchange the other day when you had to resort to juvenile retorts to bolster your rather flimsy
position.

Classic cut and paste DBS response.

Remind me what was your response to the “show me evidence of Boris saying NI wouldn’t be a problem” ? question ?

On the matter at hand what specifically is your view on how Boris handled the interview ? I may be wrong but I don’t think I have seen it yet. Do you think it showed ability under pressure and statesmanlike behaviour or is it irrelevant given a certain view on the alleged backstory ?

It’s like you’re arguing with a robot just mindlessly and endlessly churning out defence(s) of Boris and his behaviour.

Must defend the conservatives. . . Must defend the conservatives. . .

To be fair to don'tbesilly he has made clear each and every time he defends Johnson or excuses his behaviour that he is definitely not defending Johnson or excusing his behaviour.

I guess we're all going in the notebook.

[AW111]

FN2TypeR said:

Yeah, but he's gonna get Brexit done with his super duper level head and crack negotiating skills, just like when he got a new (sic) deal from the EU that threw his confidence and supply partners under the bus and broke every red line in the book as it'll put a border down the Irish sea

Remember : was fired by a tabloid for making up stories about the EU.
That's a hard act to follow...

Then he got fired from Cabinet for incompetence and lying to the PM.

Now he's lying and denying his own government's statements on the Irish border.

What a class act.

[Toaster]

ChevyChase77 said:

"What
@jeremycorbyn
isn’t telling you is that under labour this Leeds hospital with PFI borrowed £237m in 2002 paid back over 30 yrs,the amount they are paying back is £1.016bn!The annual interest is crippling them. Labours legacy"


https://twitter.com/DawnWestgate/status/1204105274...

But But But PFI was started by the Nasty Party....


In 1992[10][11] PFI was implemented for the first time in the UK by the Conservative Government led by John Major. It immediately proved controversial, and was attacked by Labour critics such as the Shadow Chief Secretary to the Treasury Harriet Harman, who said that PFI was really a back-door form of privatisation (House of Commons, 7 December 1993), and the future Chancellor of the Exchequer, Alistair Darling, warned that "apparent savings now could be countered by the formidable commitment on revenue expenditure in years to come".[12]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_finance_init...

[Toaster]

El stovey said:

Brooking10 said:

don'tbesilly said:

When you've either sobered up or properly woken up could you put together a post that's coherent and is worthy of a response.
I can only assume your still sore from the exchange the other day when you had to resort to juvenile retorts to bolster your rather flimsy
position.

Classic cut and paste DBS response.

Remind me what was your response to the “show me evidence of Boris saying NI wouldn’t be a problem” ? question ?

On the matter at hand what specifically is your view on how Boris handled the interview ? I may be wrong but I don’t think I have seen it yet. Do you think it showed ability under pressure and statesmanlike behaviour or is it irrelevant given a certain view on the alleged backstory ?

It’s like you’re arguing with a robot just mindlessly and endlessly churning out defence(s) of Boris and his behaviour.

Must defend the conservatives. . . Must defend the conservatives. . .

There is no defence of a man taking another's mobile and placing it in his pocket.......try that one when you are out and about I suspect the owner of the mobile may not be so polite in requesting it back.

[anonymous-user]

bhstewie said:

El stovey said:

Brooking10 said:

don'tbesilly said:

When you've either sobered up or properly woken up could you put together a post that's coherent and is worthy of a response.
I can only assume your still sore from the exchange the other day when you had to resort to juvenile retorts to bolster your rather flimsy
position.

Classic cut and paste DBS response.

Remind me what was your response to the “show me evidence of Boris saying NI wouldn’t be a problem” ? question ?

On the matter at hand what specifically is your view on how Boris handled the interview ? I may be wrong but I don’t think I have seen it yet. Do you think it showed ability under pressure and statesmanlike behaviour or is it irrelevant given a certain view on the alleged backstory ?

It’s like you’re arguing with a robot just mindlessly and endlessly churning out defence(s) of Boris and his behaviour.

Must defend the conservatives. . . Must defend the conservatives. . .

To be fair to don'tbesilly he has made clear each and every time he defends Johnson or excuses his behaviour that he is definitely not defending Johnson or excusing his behaviour.

I guess we're all going in the notebook.

Indeed

What with us all being such raving Bolsheviks,

When DBS is King we’ll all be among the first up against the wall

[gooner1]

Brooking10 said:

Classic cut and paste DBS response.

As for the “sobered up” don’t resort to Goonerisms. Nobody does it better than him It’s a little early to be on the pop over here anyway.

Remind me what was your response to the “show me evidence of Boris saying NI wouldn’t be a problem” ? question ?

On the matter at hand what specifically is your view on how Boris handled the interview ? I may be wrong but I don’t think I have seen it yet. Do you think it showed ability under pressure and statesmanlike behaviour or is it irrelevant given a certain view on the alleged backstory ?

Thanks trig. That's appreciated.

[Zirconia]

Brooking10 said:

chrispmartha said:

Zirconia said:

Anyhoo, did you miss this?
https://twitter.com/marcowenjones/status/120418308...

This will be ignored on here, I have been quick to post stuff from twitter which I believed which has turned out to be fake, I have held my hand up on both occasions and admitted I was 'duped' some were very quick to say how easily people are duped - works both ways.

It’s remarkable.

I don’t doubt they are both at it but it’s a damming reflection on our times and in how dumbed down the nation has become.

Remove the political angle and it is easy to see how people can be manipulated. Nothing in this is meant to call people stupid or any other derogatory similar on those that take the bait. It is why advertising is still a career, people still align with social groups that chime with them, there is a predictability in it.

If that fella is tracking what happens on twitter then absolutely others can and they are. They can track what phrases and terms win for them and drop the ones that don't. I expect this has been years in the making for Leave and since Boris came in, his chum has brought it across from another direction. Meaning Cummings can bank on a certain influence outside his direct control. I expect this is layered some.

I think Momentum were way ahead of May the last time around but used the platforms in a different way, more organisational (they did arrange meets in areas for door to door stuff etc.). Now it is harder to ignore the gains and the people backing Johnson have capitalised on this. Some on his team have a track record and I think they see the win as the goal, honesty is only there if it can make you look good and all cheats and lies are allowed.

I thought this campaign would get dirty.

Now, where did I put that tin foil?

[Dr Doofenshmirtz]

dazwalsh said:

Just very briefly going back to the little lad in hospital, the main problem was the lack of a physical bed, rather than the time he was seen in, the staffing levels and the quality of care?

Still Boris could have easily said it is appualing bla bla but we are knocking down this old heap of a hospital and giving leeds 2 new world class hospitals, one dedicated for children to eliminate the problems that this old infrastructure has to Cope with. (I think they genuinely are building them too)

But no, he pinched a journalist's phone and caused a ststorm as usual because he is unable to think on the go and ends up doing or saying something stupid, which other parties and the left wing media use as a stick to beat him with.

Plonked.

Agreed - The way he handled that was pretty poor to say the least, but he's always going to be on the back foot. It's a lot easier for the other parties who will just say 'It will obviously be better if we were in charge'. The reality of course is it won't. The NHS is a massive whopping money burning pit that needs a radical overhaul if it has any chance of surviving. Simply throwing money into the pit will not fix the issues as anyone who has worked for the NHS knows.

[Mrr T]

AW111 said:

FN2TypeR said:

Yeah, but he's gonna get Brexit done with his super duper level head and crack negotiating skills, just like when he got a new (sic) deal from the EU that threw his confidence and supply partners under the bus and broke every red line in the book as it'll put a border down the Irish sea

Remember : was fired by a tabloid for making up stories about the EU.
That's a hard act to follow...

Then he got fired from Cabinet for incompetence and lying to the PM.

Now he's lying and denying his own government's statements on the Irish border.

What a class act.

How dare you call BJ a liar. BJ has been clear he never lies.

[CrutyRammers]

W12GT said:

So from most of the coverage I’ve learnt Boris is a liar. Which we all know anyway because almost everyone who knows him or has worked with him confirm the case.

However rather shockingly maybe he isn’t lying about selling off the NHS after all. In fact it has already started to be given away by the government under his predecessor...... so technically he isn’t lying about selling it off in the future because this government have already started to give it away.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/amazon-n...

https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2019/dec/08/nh...

So I’m confused because I thought GDPR should have stopped this happening? Oh and I’m also scared of what lays ahead if he stays in power and Brexits I mean gives away everything that generations have worked for.

I’m also confused as to how the hell this has happened without it being voted for by parliament?

Edited by W12GT on Monday 9th December 21:55

The reports are being either deliberately vague on this, or more likely, the reporters don't understand the statement.
This deal is for Amazon to use content from the NHS website, NOT people's health records. It's the stuff about "if you have this symptom, you might have X, you should see a doctor / put some cream on it / speak to a pharmacist".
So GDPR does not apply, as it's not personal data.
It's selling access to a reference library, it's not "selling off" anything. I don't know if it's a good deal, money wise, or not, but making that content available to more people is unlikely to be a bad thing.

[FN2TypeR]

Mrr T said:

AW111 said:

FN2TypeR said:

Yeah, but he's gonna get Brexit done with his super duper level head and crack negotiating skills, just like when he got a new (sic) deal from the EU that threw his confidence and supply partners under the bus and broke every red line in the book as it'll put a border down the Irish sea

Remember : was fired by a tabloid for making up stories about the EU.
That's a hard act to follow...

Then he got fired from Cabinet for incompetence and lying to the PM.

Now he's lying and denying his own government's statements on the Irish border.

What a class act.

How dare you call BJ a liar. BJ has been clear he never lies.

[biggbn]

Could all of those defending mr Johnson please answer these questions.

How hard would it have been for a man of Johnson's intellect and vocabulary to look at the picture and give a politicians answer, something like 'on the face of it, that looks completely unacceptable. Obviously as I have no further information, all I can say at this point is I will look into this matter at my earliest convenience and deal with it appropriately'

Would that have been preferable to taking somebody's phone if them and putting it in his pocket?

Could this incident have been absolutely minimised had he acted more appropriately?

Please, no but labour, squirrel, fake news. Just answer those three specific questions. To preempt any observations, yes the response I have suggested may have elicited some criticisms of avoidance and the like from some sections of the press. But. Much less negative publicity.


And if you can't be ar$ed answering those three questions, answer this one. Same situation, same hospital, same question but it's Corbyn/swinson/sturgeon acting like that. Would you defend them as you have defended Boris?

[Zirconia]

Boris rained off a trip to North Wales? Another sitter with the NHS not too good here in Labour controlled assembly, he could've back of the net with this one.