Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7

[Welshbeef]

OpulentBob said:

Fluff, I kind of like you and I definitely respect your unwavering unflappable stance. I wish you'd post a bit more. I get the impression you're not anti-English, but you have your principles and thoughts on the whole Independence thing, and you'd give a good discussion. Just a shame the rest of us (on both sides) get a bit "het up" about it.

His stance is the union is broken so sooner it splits the better and while at it join the EU...


That along with posting cash £500 to a total random who lives in Bath to support the Scottish Indy movement if he had morals he would better donate that £500 to a food bank not some grifter but hey ho he was had and is too proud to admit it

[///ajd]

r11co said:

Nick Grant said:

Anyone got any thoughts on this....
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/...

It is a tactic to take advantage of the second vote in the Scottish Parliamentary elections next year. The nats were discussing this as a ploy months ago.

IMO it should be investigated as electoral fraud if it can be shown anyone involved is straddling two camps.

I agree. It's pretty blatent. Shades of the enabling act of 1933 but within the context of the modern parliamentary system. They really are employing all the tricks aren't they?

[fluffnik]

OpulentBob said:

Fluff, I kind of like you and I definitely respect your unwavering unflappable stance. I wish you'd post a bit more. I get the impression you're not anti-English, but you have your principles and thoughts on the whole Independence thing, and you'd give a good discussion. Just a shame the rest of us (on both sides) get a bit "het up" about it.

Cheers!

Every time I read this thread, I end up with dozens of tabs of replies to edit before concluding that life's too short...

Mind you, if the weather stays like this, I might well post more!

[fluffnik]

Welshbeef said:

His stance is the union is broken so sooner it splits the better and while at it join the EU...


That along with posting cash £500 to a total random who lives in Bath to support the Scottish Indy movement if he had morals he would better donate that £500 to a food bank not some grifter but hey ho he was had and is too proud to admit it

I do indeed think that the Union is broken and that it serves, at most, a few thousand at the top well.

I continue to be pleased by the VFM offered by my political donation to WoS, and some others unmentioned here.

HMRC knows about my charitable donations, so it can pay the Gift Aid, otherwise I don't publicise them.

[Axionknight]

fluffnik said:

OpulentBob said:

Fluff, I kind of like you and I definitely respect your unwavering unflappable stance. I wish you'd post a bit more. I get the impression you're not anti-English, but you have your principles and thoughts on the whole Independence thing, and you'd give a good discussion. Just a shame the rest of us (on both sides) get a bit "het up" about it.

Cheers!

Every time I read this thread, I end up with dozens of tabs of replies to edit before concluding that life's too short...

Mind you, if the weather stays like this, I might well post more!

It has been beautiful for the majority of the week here in Aberdeen - then Friday rolls around and guess fuggin' what? Rain - again!

I blame the SNP, lthe weather was on average 6% better before their ascension to power in Holyrood!

[Troubleatmill]

fluffnik said:

I do indeed think that the Union is broken and that it serves, at most, a few thousand at the top well.

I continue to be pleased by the VFM offered by my political donation to WoS, and some others unmentioned here.

HMRC knows about my charitable donations, so it can pay the Gift Aid, otherwise I don't publicise them.

HMRC do know about your charitable donations - and do pay gift aid on them. That is true.

But.... WingsOverScotland isn't a registered charity - so there is no gift aid given to them.
It is just some bloke in Bath getting a lot of money with a website that preaches to the converted.

Hat's off to him though - He knows how to milk his audience for cash.

I hope he continues to make a lot of money out of it.

He has to declare his earnings - which is taxable....

And the kicker is.....it goes to UK HMRC.

Keep donating fella.

[///ajd]

http://m.scotsman.com/lifestyle/heritage/bute-hous...

Alledged rumours that Alex ate off Waffen SS dinner plates are as yet unconfirmed.

[Axionknight]

Tis' a beautiful thing, but for some reason I'm having memories of the Only Fools and Horses episode "a touch of glass"

AH'VE FOUND IT NICOLA!

[NoNeed]

///ajd said:

http://m.scotsman.com/lifestyle/heritage/bute-hous...

Alledged rumours that Alex ate off Waffen SS dinner plates are as yet unconfirmed.

He wouldn't mind one bit.

[AC43]

fluffnik said:

I do indeed think that the Union is broken and that it serves, at most, a few thousand at the top well.

Oh. So all the retail banks commercial banks, investmant banks,, central banks, economists, analysts abd credit agencies that unanimously called out economic reversal and decline in Scotland and rUK as the result of a Yes vote were all wrong, then?

I can understand the emotional appeal of a Yes vote if you are that way inclined but to ignore all the forecasts is downright odd.

The common defence of the Nats against the army of people who produced and continue to produce statistical analysis firmly against independence seems to be that the more that people come up with evidence is just further proof of some massive global conspiracy.

I was in a bank in Scotland on the day of the vote and one of the guys in the room was spitting feathers about the fact that the chief economist of Deutsche Bank had spoken out against independence on a financial basis. He was convinced that "the Bank of England had told Deutsche to do it". FFS. And he was a banker..........

For fun I then asked him about the lack of a currency and, predictably enough, he told me that Mark Carney of the bank of England was in cahoots with the European Central Bank and they we acting in concert to deny Scotland both Sterling and the Euro.

I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.

[Axionknight]

What, you didn't see his victim card prior to engaging him? Poor form IMO.

[Borghetto]

The law of unintended consequences seems to have struck the Scottish Govt coffers. The brilliant idea for their new high value property tax seems to have back fired - who'd have thunk it. The new LBTT which replaces the UK wide stamp duty adds considerably to the amount being paid on expensive houses north of the border. Due to the increased tax rates the revenue received by the Scots Govt has reduced from £8,600,000 to £982,000 in the quarter Jan-March. Expect to see other decreases in income where the SNP mob try to tax the rich.

Edited to add that this was in today's Times - obviously an article designed to undermine the Numpties in Holyrood.

Edited by Borghetto on Tuesday 18th August 17:14

[///ajd]

Borghetto said:

The law of unintended consequences seems to have struck the Scottish Govt coffers. The brilliant idea for their new high value property tax seems to have back fired - who'd have thunk it. The new LBTT which replaces the UK wide stamp duty adds considerably to the amount being paid on expensive houses north of the border. Due to the increased tax rates the revenue received by the Scots Govt has reduced from £8,600,000 to £982,000 in the quarter Jan-March. Expect to see other decreases in income where the SNP mob try to tax the rich.

Edited to add that this was in today's Times - obviously an article designed to undermine the Numpties in Holyrood.

Edited by Borghetto on Tuesday 18th August 17:14

It would be interesting to see how they try and blame the english or westminster for this.

This is surely a great example of how risky fiddling with taxes on dufferent sides of the border can be.

I guess the SNP will expect the english to work a bit harder so they can make up the shortfall (caused by the SNPs economically naive fiddling) in the block grant.

Roll on FFA, bring it on! Whats that? You've realised its a sh*t idea as the SNP will destroy Scotland? Good. You know what to do at the 2016 Holyrood election then Scotland, get rid!

[Justayellowbadge]

Borghetto said:

The law of unintended consequences seems to have struck the Scottish Govt coffers. The brilliant idea for their new high value property tax seems to have back fired - who'd have thunk it. The new LBTT which replaces the UK wide stamp duty adds considerably to the amount being paid on expensive houses north of the border. Due to the increased tax rates the revenue received by the Scots Govt has reduced from £8,600,000 to £982,000 in the quarter Jan-March. Expect to see other decreases in income where the SNP mob try to tax the rich.

Edited to add that this was in today's Times - obviously an article designed to undermine the Numpties in Holyrood.

Edited by Borghetto on Tuesday 18th August 17:14

There will still be some that think it the right thing to do, because 'the rich'.

[anonymous-user]

Borghetto said:

The law of unintended consequences seems to have struck the Scottish Govt coffers. The brilliant idea for their new high value property tax seems to have back fired - who'd have thunk it. The new LBTT which replaces the UK wide stamp duty adds considerably to the amount being paid on expensive houses north of the border. Due to the increased tax rates the revenue received by the Scots Govt has reduced from £8,600,000 to £982,000 in the quarter Jan-March. Expect to see other decreases in income where the SNP mob try to tax the rich.

Edited to add that this was in today's Times - obviously an article designed to undermine the Numpties in Holyrood.

Edited by Borghetto on Tuesday 18th August 17:14

Interesting reading a comparison between the rUK rates and the LBTT rates. The Scottish rates are pretty eye-watering.

I haven't seen the Times but does it say that people are just avoiding moving house/business address, or not moving north of the border? Or avoiding the taxes another way?

[Axionknight]

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/life/property/articl...



Pay wall, damn.

Still, Soak the rich, they are bad people!

Edited by Axionknight on Wednesday 19th August 06:40

[AC43]

Axionknight said:

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/life/property/articl...



Pay wall, damn.

Still, Soak the rich, they are bad people!

Edited by Axionknight on Wednesday 19th August 06:40

I feel sorry for the innocent No voters caught up in this through no fault of their own.

IIRC the threshold for the new tax is £500k which hits Edinburgh far far harder than Glasgow.

Who'd have thought the SNP would have come up with a policy like that, eh?

And what a shame it's backfired on them.

[Axionknight]

There's a distinction between No voters and SNP voters though, this isn't the Yes voters fault, it's the SNP voters fault.

[Slartifartfast]

Borghetto said:

The law of unintended consequences seems to have struck the Scottish Govt coffers. The brilliant idea for their new high value property tax seems to have back fired - who'd have thunk it. The new LBTT which replaces the UK wide stamp duty adds considerably to the amount being paid on expensive houses north of the border. Due to the increased tax rates the revenue received by the Scots Govt has reduced from £8,600,000 to £982,000 in the quarter Jan-March. Expect to see other decreases in income where the SNP mob try to tax the rich.

Edited to add that this was in today's Times - obviously an article designed to undermine the Numpties in Holyrood.

Edited by Borghetto on Tuesday 18th August 17:14

Is that true?
LBTT wasn't in force in the first quarter - it came into force in April.
The Scottish Gubbermint figures from their website are:
"A total of 11,020 notifiable land and building transactions were reported in June 2015. £32,200,000 of payments have been received in respect of these transactions.
A total of 8,660 notifiable land and building transactions were reported in May 2015. £23,900,000 of payments have been received in respect of these transactions.
A total of 7,520 notifiable land and building transactions were reported in April 2015. £17,700,000 of payments have been received in respect of these transactions."

[Rick_1138]

Had a laugh last night at the news, when Sturgeon and the SNP were all gleeful with themselves about decreasing the gap in poor family education.

When it was pointed out by my fiance that the SNP have been in control of the devolved education budget for a time long enough that children will have started school and moved onto secondary education under nothing but the SNP budget controls.

So why, I ask, has it taken 8 years of an SNP govt in holyrood to do anything about the education gap....lets see how they blame westminster this time.