Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 2)

[DeepEnd]

Murph7355 said:

Does it say what the values for the "yep" bits are? And also what the figures for RoW or even rEU are?

Figures all round will be interesting....but do we think the first month after fully leaving is representative of anything?

No figures for "yep" - just recognising it is not a necessarily an indication of steady state - so no we don't think 1st month will be representative.

At -56% lets bloody hope not.

Comparing to other exports for Germany shows not that much can be pinned on CV19 it seems. Stockpiling and teething could take a while to settle until the underlying damage is clear.

[crankedup]

Fittster said:

": The government is planning to revive shellfish exports by the winter by building purification sites across the UK, George Eustice tells me

He said DEFRA would use the £100m fishing fund to set up facilities if the EU doesn't change its rules"


https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/governme...

Yay, so that's a £100m hit for the taxpayer and if people working in the industry to be believed, it might be £100m wasted.



"Your shellfish might be at risk of dying after depuration and long delays at port. Shellfish can struggle with the stress of being depurated so are relaid, unpurified, in A grade waters in the EU so they can be sold straight out of the sea. They are depurated too but..."

Can you provide a link to those people working in the industry suggesting it could be a waste of money installing the cleaning equipment.

[DeepEnd]

crankedup said:

Can you provide a link to those people working in the industry suggesting it could be a waste of money installing the cleaning equipment.

It's a tweet from Tom Haward, 7th Gen Oyster fisherman, family has been fishing since 1700s, UK's oldest.

He's not exported a single oyster to Europe in 2021.

[JeffreyD]

crankedup said:

Can you provide a link to those people working in the industry suggesting it could be a waste of money installing the cleaning equipment.

The quote provided was from an established oysterman from a twitter thread a couple of weeks ago

https://twitter.com/HawardTom/status/1366084553266...

[stongle]

crankedup said:

Can you provide a link to those people working in the industry suggesting it could be a waste of money installing the cleaning equipment.

It will be a better investment than the 30k in grants the French are giving to their fisherman to compensate - sure not all 14000 will be individually eligible, but I wonder if the overall trunps our 100m investment.... of course that doesn't fit the offendeds narrative.

Nor that there are billions of (EU) Brexit funds available to subsidise, sorry support their businesses in dealing with Brexit. Its all on the EC websites (not that they read it, they just wait for LBC or whatever they are glued too).

As to test and trace, Brexit how? Is cos "big number"? Who ever was crying about it would have a point if it was the £800mil spent on UK border infrastructure (thats creeping under the radar right now); but numbers that small don't get the juices flowing.....

[turbobloke]

DeepEnd said:

crankedup said:

Can you provide a link to those people working in the industry suggesting it could be a waste of money installing the cleaning equipment.

It's a tweet from Tom Haward, 7th Gen Oyster fisherman, family has been fishing since 1700s, UK's oldest.

He's not exported a single oyster to Europe in 2021.

Who's saying what you want to hear. What about others? A sample of one is just that.

It brings us back to the fundamental point that no sectors of industry have a right to hold everyone else to ransom over major constitutional decisions.

Investing in a successful business to keep it trading into the future makes sense. I'm not on Twitter but have found tweets from Haward including this "We have a depuration plant next to the water where our oysters grow. Our oysters are purified in temperature controlled conditions so they are happy and have a long shelf life. What’s the problem then?" From that, to those lacking eyes full of Brexit tears, it suggests the EU is a part of the problem. If these oysters were OK before they're OK now, certainly from the UK side.

[pubrunner]

DeepEnd said:

It's a tweet from Tom Haward, 7th Gen Oyster fisherman, family has been fishing since 1700s, UK's oldest.

He's not exported a single oyster to Europe in 2021.

How did the family manage to sell the oysters before Brexit ?

[citizensm1th]

pubrunner said:

How did the family manage to sell the oysters before Brexit ?

Very easily the UK was part of the SM and cu

[Quisling]

citizensm1th said:

Very easily the UK was part of the SM and cu

And if the SNP hadn't been playing games

We would still be in the customs union

As the SNP abstaining from ken Clarkes bill meant the bill was defeated by 8 votes

[powerstroke]

Quisling said:

citizensm1th said:

Very easily the UK was part of the SM and cu

And if the SNP hadn't been playing games

We would still be in the customs union

As the SNP abstaining from ken Clarkes bill meant the bill was defeated by 8 votes

Possibly the only time I could praise the SNP
Superb result ..

[powerstroke]

citizensm1th said:

pubrunner said:

How did the family manage to sell the oysters before Brexit ?

Very easily the UK was part of the SM and cu

Hopefully we won’t be a childish as the EU and
Von dur lying and co will grow up and start looking after
Business and people instead of playing petty games cos the big baby’s didn’t get there own way , so glad we are out of it ..

Edited by powerstroke on Wednesday 10th March 08:40

[anonymous-user]

citizensm1th said:

pubrunner said:

How did the family manage to sell the oysters before Brexit ?

Very easily the UK was part of the SM and cu

So how did the previous 6 generations manage?

[turbobloke]

digimeistter said:

citizensm1th said:

pubrunner said:

How did the family manage to sell the oysters before Brexit ?

Very easily the UK was part of the SM and cu

So how did the previous 6 generations manage?

There was life and trade before the wonderful EU existed? Blimey.

[Mrr T]

digimeistter said:

citizensm1th said:

pubrunner said:

How did the family manage to sell the oysters before Brexit ?

Very easily the UK was part of the SM and cu

So how did the previous 6 generations manage?

I do not know please provide details.

[Earthdweller]

digimeistter said:

citizensm1th said:

pubrunner said:

How did the family manage to sell the oysters before Brexit ?

Very easily the UK was part of the SM and cu

So how did the previous 6 generations manage?

Where do people eat oysters ?

I had a baked potato for my tea last night .. oysters would be for a special occasion for me, probably only in a fancy restaurant

Are there millions of Austrians ordinarily buying oysters for their tea on a Wednesday night ?

[anonymous-user]

Mrr T said:

digimeistter said:

citizensm1th said:

pubrunner said:

How did the family manage to sell the oysters before Brexit ?

Very easily the UK was part of the SM and cu

So how did the previous 6 generations manage?

I do not know please provide details.

I was asking the question, I don't either, it's unfathomable, how on earth did they manage it without EU regulations?

[anonymous-user]

Earthdweller said:

Where do people eat oysters ?

I had a baked potato for my tea last night .. oysters would be for a special occasion for me, probably only in a fancy restaurant

Are there millions of Austrians ordinarily buying oysters for their tea on a Wednesday night ?

The most oysters i ever saw in one place was at the British GP in 2019.

[Mrr T]

digimeistter said:

Mrr T said:

digimeistter said:

citizensm1th said:

pubrunner said:

How did the family manage to sell the oysters before Brexit ?

Very easily the UK was part of the SM and cu

So how did the previous 6 generations manage?

I do not know please provide details.

I was asking the question, I don't either, it's unfathomable, how on earth did they manage it without EU regulations?

So during that time the UK may not have even been exporting oysters to Europe. You don't know nor do you know the regulations. Oddly enough I suspect regulations have changed because guess what food safety has become quite important.

Indeed regulations on many things have increased hugely over the last 50 years. We no longer allow teddy bears with eyes attached by pins, or lead paint on toys. Do you suggest we drop all these regulations.

The whole we did it 50 years ago claim is so funny. The last one on here was about the Beatles residency in Hamburg. I asked the poster if he felt that meant we should go back to the immigration rules as they where in 1960. He did agree we should not.

[crankedup]

JeffreyD said:

crankedup said:

Can you provide a link to those people working in the industry suggesting it could be a waste of money installing the cleaning equipment.

The quote provided was from an established oysterman from a twitter thread a couple of weeks ago

https://twitter.com/HawardTom/status/1366084553266...

Thanks for link (and deepend).
I’m surprised that the Industry haven’t got a leading voice, unless the guy is that voice? He comes across very negative, I can appreciate that he is peed off though. The industry is tiny perhaps they don’t have a voice within the fishing industry.

[citizensm1th]

Mrr T said:

So during that time the UK may not have even been exporting oysters to Europe. You don't know nor do you know the regulations. Oddly enough I suspect regulations have changed because guess what food safety has become quite important.

Indeed regulations on many things have increased hugely over the last 50 years. We no longer allow teddy bears with eyes attached by pins, or lead paint on toys. Do you suggest we drop all these regulations.

The whole we did it 50 years ago claim is so funny. The last one on here was about the Beatles residency in Hamburg. I asked the poster if he felt that meant we should go back to the immigration rules as they where in 1960. He did agree we should not.

It is funny that some posters can't quite grasp that as a island trading nation we have to conform to the laws of the countries we export to.

It goes to prove the lie that was the statement "taking back control". The very act of trying to export any goods means those doing the exporting have to give up some control to the places they export to.

Six generations ago I am quite sure the rules were very different to today but sadly for some we will not be going back to those rules however much they shout about taking back control.