Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 2)

[turbobloke]

citizensm1th said:

Mrr T said:

So during that time the UK may not have even been exporting oysters to Europe. You don't know nor do you know the regulations. Oddly enough I suspect regulations have changed because guess what food safety has become quite important.

Indeed regulations on many things have increased hugely over the last 50 years. We no longer allow teddy bears with eyes attached by pins, or lead paint on toys. Do you suggest we drop all these regulations.

The whole we did it 50 years ago claim is so funny. The last one on here was about the Beatles residency in Hamburg. I asked the poster if he felt that meant we should go back to the immigration rules as they where in 1960. He did agree we should not.

It is funny that some posters can't quite grasp that as a island trading nation we have to conform to the laws of the countries we export to.

Exporting doesn't require conforming to the laws of the destination. There's a surprise for you.

The UK's exports to Saudi Arabia are considerable. We don't follow their laws.

How funny is that.

[crankedup]

citizensm1th said:

Mrr T said:

So during that time the UK may not have even been exporting oysters to Europe. You don't know nor do you know the regulations. Oddly enough I suspect regulations have changed because guess what food safety has become quite important.

Indeed regulations on many things have increased hugely over the last 50 years. We no longer allow teddy bears with eyes attached by pins, or lead paint on toys. Do you suggest we drop all these regulations.

The whole we did it 50 years ago claim is so funny. The last one on here was about the Beatles residency in Hamburg. I asked the poster if he felt that meant we should go back to the immigration rules as they where in 1960. He did agree we should not.

It is funny that some posters can't quite grasp that as a island trading nation we have to conform to the laws of the countries we export to.

It goes to prove the lie that was the statement "taking back control". The very act of trying to export any goods means those doing the exporting have to give up some control to the places they export to.

Six generations ago I am quite sure the rules were very different to today but sadly for some we will not be going back to those rules however much they shout about taking back control.

Of course so much more to brexit then trade, not forgetting that the U.K. has higher health and hygiene / quality standards on many industry areas. Saying that having to second guess the correct colour ink to be used on an export form for goods into the EU area did catch us out!
The posting of new trade difficulties into the EU member Countries seems to have slowed to a trickle already. Maybe many of the early problems are being resolved.

[turbobloke]

crankedup said:

Of course so much more to brexit then trade, not forgetting that the U.K. has higher health and hygiene / quality standards on many industry areas. Saying that having to second guess the correct colour ink to be used on an export form for goods into the EU area did catch us out!
The posting of new trade difficulties into the EU member Countries seems to have slowed to a trickle already. Maybe many of the early problems are being resolved.

Traders, right, but don't forget the yachties.

[citizensm1th]

turbobloke said:

citizensm1th said:

Mrr T said:

So during that time the UK may not have even been exporting oysters to Europe. You don't know nor do you know the regulations. Oddly enough I suspect regulations have changed because guess what food safety has become quite important.

Indeed regulations on many things have increased hugely over the last 50 years. We no longer allow teddy bears with eyes attached by pins, or lead paint on toys. Do you suggest we drop all these regulations.

The whole we did it 50 years ago claim is so funny. The last one on here was about the Beatles residency in Hamburg. I asked the poster if he felt that meant we should go back to the immigration rules as they where in 1960. He did agree we should not.

It is funny that some posters can't quite grasp that as a island trading nation we have to conform to the laws of the countries we export to.

Exporting doesn't require conforming to the laws of the destination. There's a surprise for you.

The UK's exports to Saudi Arabia are considerable. We don't follow their laws.

How funny is that.

Oh do fk off you are not that stupid. I'm sure if our Arab friends said to bae that it was one of their laws that all the new bombs we are selling them had to be painted bright blue to conform with some law of theirs that bea would quickly comply and not start chuntering on about we can't because it flys in the face of taking back control.

[turbobloke]

That exporter's oysters were/are well cared for prior to and after Brexit, including during after cleaning, as pointed out already.. UK practice around animal welfare often exceeds external requirements. Research by World Animal Protection shows that the UK has some of the highest animal welfare standards in the world. Their global Animal Protection Index shows the UK equalling and exceeding EU27. The issue is EU muppetry as usual.

[JeffreyD]

It's about the water standards.

Nothing else.

[Burrow01]

turbobloke said:

That exporter's oysters' were/are well cared for prior to and after Brexit, including during after cleaning, as pointed out already.. UK practice around animal welfare often exceeds external requirements. Research by World Animal Protection shows that the UK has some of the highest animal welfare standards in the world. Their global Animal Protection Index shows the UK equalling and exceeding EU27. The issue is EU muppetry as usual.

Its not our standards that matter, its the rules of the place we are exporting to that count

We are a "third country" and the EU rules state that shellfish from Class B third countries needs to be purified. We did not negotiate around this in the deal, and so now these are the rules imposed. Cornish fisherman were happy with this rule when we were inside the fence, and it protected them from competition from outside of the EU, now they are the competition...

[turbobloke]

Burrow01 said:

turbobloke said:

That exporter's oysters' were/are well cared for prior to and after Brexit, including during after cleaning, as pointed out already.. UK practice around animal welfare often exceeds external requirements. Research by World Animal Protection shows that the UK has some of the highest animal welfare standards in the world. Their global Animal Protection Index shows the UK equalling and exceeding EU27. The issue is EU muppetry as usual.

Its not our standards that matter, its the rules of the place we are exporting to that count

We are a "third country" and the EU rules state that shellfish from Class B third countries needs to be purified. /snip

Regarding the purification bit:

Tom Haward tweet said:

We have a depuration plant next to the water where our oysters grow. Our oysters are purified in temperature controlled conditions so they are happy and have a long shelf life. What’s the problem then?

The EU is the problem.

[JeffreyD]

turbobloke said:

The EU is the problem.

That's not what Haward is saying at all.

[turbobloke]

The EU is acting as a petulant child writhing on the floor having been told 'no' by grown-ups.

The vaccine situation demonstrates this, quite apart from playing the oyster card.

[sugerbear]

turbobloke said:

Burrow01 said:

turbobloke said:

That exporter's oysters' were/are well cared for prior to and after Brexit, including during after cleaning, as pointed out already.. UK practice around animal welfare often exceeds external requirements. Research by World Animal Protection shows that the UK has some of the highest animal welfare standards in the world. Their global Animal Protection Index shows the UK equalling and exceeding EU27. The issue is EU muppetry as usual.

Its not our standards that matter, its the rules of the place we are exporting to that count

We are a "third country" and the EU rules state that shellfish from Class B third countries needs to be purified. /snip

Regarding the purification bit:

Tom Haward tweet said:

We have a depuration plant next to the water where our oysters grow. Our oysters are purified in temperature controlled conditions so they are happy and have a long shelf life. What’s the problem then?

The EU is the problem.

So if enough people in the UK keep repeating "It's the EU's fault" the EU will either A)Implode or B) give in to any demand the UK asks for.

Correct?

At least that's what the brexit parties have told everyone.

[JeffreyD]

turbobloke said:

The EU is acting as a petulant child writhing on the floor having been told 'no' by grown-ups.

The vaccine situation demonstrates this, quite apart from playing the oyster card.

Yeah what petulant fkers. Sticking to rules about shellfish we helped make, but apparently didn't understand.
Utter wkers.

[Mrr T]

crankedup said:

Saying that having to second guess the correct colour ink to be used on an export form for goods into the EU area did catch us out!

It might have caught the industry out but the government should have been aware. After all they where the rules for similar imports into the UK from outside the EU until 31 Dec 2020. The rules where on the UK government website so should not have been hard to figure out.

[citizensm1th]

JeffreyD said:

turbobloke said:

The EU is acting as a petulant child writhing on the floor having been told 'no' by grown-ups.

The vaccine situation demonstrates this, quite apart from playing the oyster card.

Yeah what petulant fkers. Sticking to rules about shellfish we helped make, but apparently didn't understand.
Utter wkers.

Have you ever noticed it is always someone else's fault, it is as if owning the consequences of your actions is a new thing.

[JeffreyD]

citizensm1th said:

Have you ever noticed it is always someone else's fault, it is as if owning the consequences of your actions is a new thing.

It's embarrassing.

[Jazzer77]

citizensm1th said:

turbobloke said:

citizensm1th said:

Mrr T said:

So during that time the UK may not have even been exporting oysters to Europe. You don't know nor do you know the regulations. Oddly enough I suspect regulations have changed because guess what food safety has become quite important.

Indeed regulations on many things have increased hugely over the last 50 years. We no longer allow teddy bears with eyes attached by pins, or lead paint on toys. Do you suggest we drop all these regulations.

The whole we did it 50 years ago claim is so funny. The last one on here was about the Beatles residency in Hamburg. I asked the poster if he felt that meant we should go back to the immigration rules as they where in 1960. He did agree we should not.

It is funny that some posters can't quite grasp that as a island trading nation we have to conform to the laws of the countries we export to.

Exporting doesn't require conforming to the laws of the destination. There's a surprise for you.

The UK's exports to Saudi Arabia are considerable. We don't follow their laws.

How funny is that.

Oh do fk off you are not that stupid.

He is.

[turbobloke]

Jazzer77 said:

citizensm1th said:

turbobloke said:

citizensm1th said:

Mrr T said:

So during that time the UK may not have even been exporting oysters to Europe. You don't know nor do you know the regulations. Oddly enough I suspect regulations have changed because guess what food safety has become quite important.

Indeed regulations on many things have increased hugely over the last 50 years. We no longer allow teddy bears with eyes attached by pins, or lead paint on toys. Do you suggest we drop all these regulations.

The whole we did it 50 years ago claim is so funny. The last one on here was about the Beatles residency in Hamburg. I asked the poster if he felt that meant we should go back to the immigration rules as they where in 1960. He did agree we should not.

It is funny that some posters can't quite grasp that as a island trading nation we have to conform to the laws of the countries we export to.

Exporting doesn't require conforming to the laws of the destination. There's a surprise for you.

The UK's exports to Saudi Arabia are considerable. We don't follow their laws.

How funny is that.

Oh do fk off you are not that stupid.

He is.

Losers x2

[turbobloke]

If spared long enough we can report back in 2 to 3 years, when the EU has run out of tantrums, to see how the economies are doing. Not that trade ever was the be-all and end-all of brexit, with matters of governance and more immediate democracy at stake.

[chrispmartha]

Funny thing is, wasn’t one of the reasons many gave for wanting Brexit was that we could own our own problems and hold those people responsible to account and not have a ‘because EU’ ready made excuse...


How’s that going TB?

[turbobloke]

For those with a gaze fixed on trade, there are positive noises emerging from the UK's discussions on joining the Asia-Pacific trade bloc CPTPP, we already have bilateral free trade agreements aka FTAs in place with 7 of the bloc’s 11 members, and 2 more are under negotiation.

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