Welsh lockdown
Discussion
Trophy Husband said:
Wills2 said:
eldar said:
He does come across that way 
Why would I not take umbrage at tourists mooching around town taking photos and behaving as if nothing is going on when the current guidance/rules are that travel into Wales must be essential (link a few posts prior)?
It is easy to be goading and brave behind a screen and keyboard. I see no common sense arguments from those behaving that way. All I see are insults.
One final point. The fact that levels in Conwy are similar to that in Manchester tells a story all of it's own. Who has brought it here since the guidance was relaxed in the summer? Prior to which the numbers here were very low. Hmm, I can't quite work that one out!
Trophy Husband said:
Come across and being that way are different things. I have fought to keep my business going during the past 9 months and it hasn't been easy. We are getting through it but it is a rough sea. I don't see anything wrong with suggesting people abide by the current rules for the benefit of all. I've lost 9 members of staff to 'track and trace'. All having to self-isolate for 14 days. That is very disruptive and costly. Such costs being unrecoverable.
Why would I not take umbrage at tourists mooching around town taking photos and behaving as if nothing is going on when the current guidance/rules are that travel into Wales must be essential (link a few posts prior)?
It is easy to be goading and brave behind a screen and keyboard. I see no common sense arguments from those behaving that way. All I see are insults.
One final point. The fact that levels in Conwy are similar to that in Manchester tells a story all of it's own. Who has brought it here since the guidance was relaxed in the summer? Prior to which the numbers here were very low. Hmm, I can't quite work that one out!
It would be interesting to know how you know they were tourists?Why would I not take umbrage at tourists mooching around town taking photos and behaving as if nothing is going on when the current guidance/rules are that travel into Wales must be essential (link a few posts prior)?
It is easy to be goading and brave behind a screen and keyboard. I see no common sense arguments from those behaving that way. All I see are insults.
One final point. The fact that levels in Conwy are similar to that in Manchester tells a story all of it's own. Who has brought it here since the guidance was relaxed in the summer? Prior to which the numbers here were very low. Hmm, I can't quite work that one out!
When I lived in that neck of the woods half the population were either Scousers or Mancs and some of them even had cameras.
eccles said:
Trophy Husband said:
Come across and being that way are different things. I have fought to keep my business going during the past 9 months and it hasn't been easy. We are getting through it but it is a rough sea. I don't see anything wrong with suggesting people abide by the current rules for the benefit of all. I've lost 9 members of staff to 'track and trace'. All having to self-isolate for 14 days. That is very disruptive and costly. Such costs being unrecoverable.
Why would I not take umbrage at tourists mooching around town taking photos and behaving as if nothing is going on when the current guidance/rules are that travel into Wales must be essential (link a few posts prior)?
It is easy to be goading and brave behind a screen and keyboard. I see no common sense arguments from those behaving that way. All I see are insults.
One final point. The fact that levels in Conwy are similar to that in Manchester tells a story all of it's own. Who has brought it here since the guidance was relaxed in the summer? Prior to which the numbers here were very low. Hmm, I can't quite work that one out!
It would be interesting to know how you know they were tourists?Why would I not take umbrage at tourists mooching around town taking photos and behaving as if nothing is going on when the current guidance/rules are that travel into Wales must be essential (link a few posts prior)?
It is easy to be goading and brave behind a screen and keyboard. I see no common sense arguments from those behaving that way. All I see are insults.
One final point. The fact that levels in Conwy are similar to that in Manchester tells a story all of it's own. Who has brought it here since the guidance was relaxed in the summer? Prior to which the numbers here were very low. Hmm, I can't quite work that one out!
When I lived in that neck of the woods half the population were either Scousers or Mancs and some of them even had cameras.
Trophy Husband said:
eccles said:
Trophy Husband said:
Come across and being that way are different things. I have fought to keep my business going during the past 9 months and it hasn't been easy. We are getting through it but it is a rough sea. I don't see anything wrong with suggesting people abide by the current rules for the benefit of all. I've lost 9 members of staff to 'track and trace'. All having to self-isolate for 14 days. That is very disruptive and costly. Such costs being unrecoverable.
Why would I not take umbrage at tourists mooching around town taking photos and behaving as if nothing is going on when the current guidance/rules are that travel into Wales must be essential (link a few posts prior)?
It is easy to be goading and brave behind a screen and keyboard. I see no common sense arguments from those behaving that way. All I see are insults.
One final point. The fact that levels in Conwy are similar to that in Manchester tells a story all of it's own. Who has brought it here since the guidance was relaxed in the summer? Prior to which the numbers here were very low. Hmm, I can't quite work that one out!
It would be interesting to know how you know they were tourists?Why would I not take umbrage at tourists mooching around town taking photos and behaving as if nothing is going on when the current guidance/rules are that travel into Wales must be essential (link a few posts prior)?
It is easy to be goading and brave behind a screen and keyboard. I see no common sense arguments from those behaving that way. All I see are insults.
One final point. The fact that levels in Conwy are similar to that in Manchester tells a story all of it's own. Who has brought it here since the guidance was relaxed in the summer? Prior to which the numbers here were very low. Hmm, I can't quite work that one out!
When I lived in that neck of the woods half the population were either Scousers or Mancs and some of them even had cameras.
I also deleted my post from an hour or so ago as it was a knee-jerk reaction to seeing your comment about the Mancs and on second thought, realised I was being rude and offensive to you when you've raised a valid point of concern. Apologies.
One thing some don't appreciate who are not from a community like Conwy is that as "a local", you develop a 6th sense for who is "local" and who isn't so I accept your point that they probably weren't local and the Welsh rules right now are "stay local".
The one point I do have issue with is the assumption that this kind of rule breaker is making a significant difference to the viral spread. Most visitors don't come in close contact with us so whilst it's popular belief that hoards of visitors bring the virus with them, the evidence doesn't back this up.
The visitors shouldn't be there but if I'm following the rules - what business is it of mine to judge someone else.
I'm not sure if you are one of the "anti-tourist" brigade who have been using this pandemic to further their agenda but you actually strike me as someone who has witnessed a family who are breaking the rules and have concerns about that. Fair enough.
Pistom said:
I agree they shouldn't be there.
I also deleted my post from an hour or so ago as it was a knee-jerk reaction to seeing your comment about the Mancs and on second thought, realised I was being rude and offensive to you when you've raised a valid point of concern. Apologies.
One thing some don't appreciate who are not from a community like Conwy is that as "a local", you develop a 6th sense for who is "local" and who isn't so I accept your point that they probably weren't local and the Welsh rules right now are "stay local".
The one point I do have issue with is the assumption that this kind of rule breaker is making a significant difference to the viral spread. Most visitors don't come in close contact with us so whilst it's popular belief that hoards of visitors bring the virus with them, the evidence doesn't back this up.
The visitors shouldn't be there but if I'm following the rules - what business is it of mine to judge someone else.
I'm not sure if you are one of the "anti-tourist" brigade who have been using this pandemic to further their agenda but you actually strike me as someone who has witnessed a family who are breaking the rules and have concerns about that. Fair enough.
Cheers.I also deleted my post from an hour or so ago as it was a knee-jerk reaction to seeing your comment about the Mancs and on second thought, realised I was being rude and offensive to you when you've raised a valid point of concern. Apologies.
One thing some don't appreciate who are not from a community like Conwy is that as "a local", you develop a 6th sense for who is "local" and who isn't so I accept your point that they probably weren't local and the Welsh rules right now are "stay local".
The one point I do have issue with is the assumption that this kind of rule breaker is making a significant difference to the viral spread. Most visitors don't come in close contact with us so whilst it's popular belief that hoards of visitors bring the virus with them, the evidence doesn't back this up.
The visitors shouldn't be there but if I'm following the rules - what business is it of mine to judge someone else.
I'm not sure if you are one of the "anti-tourist" brigade who have been using this pandemic to further their agenda but you actually strike me as someone who has witnessed a family who are breaking the rules and have concerns about that. Fair enough.
I'm just fed up of all this carp and want it over. Thus, I naturally get fed up of rule breakers (wherever they are from)!
I'm not anti-tourist at all. They generally enrich the area for obvious reasons. This isn't the time for it though. We could be weeks away from getting over this and we've done the hard leg work. There is, hopefully, not long to go. For the sake of a little more control life could be relatively normal by early spring. This will be great for my area. Seeing the quay in Conwy buzzing with people all enjoying themselves is really a pleasure to behold. Especially those having a good drink at the Liverpool Arms!
I'll get off my soapbox now and go for a walk.
Trophy Husband said:
eccles said:
Trophy Husband said:
Come across and being that way are different things. I have fought to keep my business going during the past 9 months and it hasn't been easy. We are getting through it but it is a rough sea. I don't see anything wrong with suggesting people abide by the current rules for the benefit of all. I've lost 9 members of staff to 'track and trace'. All having to self-isolate for 14 days. That is very disruptive and costly. Such costs being unrecoverable.
Why would I not take umbrage at tourists mooching around town taking photos and behaving as if nothing is going on when the current guidance/rules are that travel into Wales must be essential (link a few posts prior)?
It is easy to be goading and brave behind a screen and keyboard. I see no common sense arguments from those behaving that way. All I see are insults.
One final point. The fact that levels in Conwy are similar to that in Manchester tells a story all of it's own. Who has brought it here since the guidance was relaxed in the summer? Prior to which the numbers here were very low. Hmm, I can't quite work that one out!
It would be interesting to know how you know they were tourists?Why would I not take umbrage at tourists mooching around town taking photos and behaving as if nothing is going on when the current guidance/rules are that travel into Wales must be essential (link a few posts prior)?
It is easy to be goading and brave behind a screen and keyboard. I see no common sense arguments from those behaving that way. All I see are insults.
One final point. The fact that levels in Conwy are similar to that in Manchester tells a story all of it's own. Who has brought it here since the guidance was relaxed in the summer? Prior to which the numbers here were very low. Hmm, I can't quite work that one out!
When I lived in that neck of the woods half the population were either Scousers or Mancs and some of them even had cameras.
There are approx 15,000 people living in Conwy and you know them all and their backgrounds?
The whole North Wales coastal area was full of Scousers and Mancs and people from the English North West when I lived there, yet miraculously none have settled in Conwy? They could have just bought a house and be perfectly entitled to pictures of their new home town.
You have no way of knowing for sure, you are just assuming.
eccles said:
We can't accept it because you don't know.
There are approx 15,000 people living in Conwy and you know them all and their backgrounds?
The whole North Wales coastal area was full of Scousers and Mancs and people from the English North West when I lived there, yet miraculously none have settled in Conwy? They could have just bought a house and be perfectly entitled to pictures of their new home town.
You have no way of knowing for sure, you are just assuming.
We can all counter an argument either way. Yes, you are technically correct. However, the chances of you being correct are vanishingly small in comparison. To witness something you have to be there and what I have witnessed numerous times this week is highly unlikely to fall into your assumption.There are approx 15,000 people living in Conwy and you know them all and their backgrounds?
The whole North Wales coastal area was full of Scousers and Mancs and people from the English North West when I lived there, yet miraculously none have settled in Conwy? They could have just bought a house and be perfectly entitled to pictures of their new home town.
You have no way of knowing for sure, you are just assuming.
robuk said:
Sky News just now has a lady from Greater Manchester at Chester Zoo. Asked why she has broken rules and is there, 'nothing to do in Manchester' and 'it is Christmas'.
Can guarantee there will be a few people from Wales nipping to that Zoo.
And people are baffled how it is spreading!
I'm sure there is some transmission by people going from A to B but the evidence of the past 9 months is that as well as the movement of the person, risk of transmission rises significantly if there is extended close contact with an infected person and even then there is no guarantee they'll pass it on. Can guarantee there will be a few people from Wales nipping to that Zoo.
And people are baffled how it is spreading!
That might be changing with this "latest mutant".
I don't think many are baffled over how it is spreading. People are going to work and spending time close to each other, hospitals and care homes need to have close contact, schools have close contact. Compare those scenarios with the Manc woman going to the zoo and the risk she's posing is at a level significantly less. She's better at the zoo than at home popping to a neighbour or friend for a coffee.
The worrying thing is that whilst we can look at her situation and make a rational analysis of the risk she's posing - can she? And what else is she doing that might be a greater risk of spread?
On the article about the issue in the Cardiff hospitals it had this graph:
Clearly, it does indeed show that at one point all the beds were full, but what the hell happened on the 4th December where it went from about 90 beds available, to about 50?
Presumably it's staffing?
And it's a bit of a radical idea, but could they use covid positive but asymptomatic staff to work with the covid patients?
Clearly, it does indeed show that at one point all the beds were full, but what the hell happened on the 4th December where it went from about 90 beds available, to about 50?
Presumably it's staffing?
And it's a bit of a radical idea, but could they use covid positive but asymptomatic staff to work with the covid patients?
robuk said:
Seven day rolling figures - up to the 22nd so not affected by xmas data - are looking pretty grim in terms of rises.
Cardiff health board asking for medical students and others to help with proning patients.
Looks like all the lockdowns/ local lockdowns/ restrictions/ have been working a treat then oh no that's not happening is it. If its this bad the schools need to remain closed till at least end of jan if they don't makes any other measures a complete and utter waste of time. Lets see how much balls dripford and born guessing have.Cardiff health board asking for medical students and others to help with proning patients.
Plymo said:
On the article about the issue in the Cardiff hospitals it had this graph:
Clearly, it does indeed show that at one point all the beds were full, but what the hell happened on the 4th December where it went from about 90 beds available, to about 50?
Presumably it's staffing?
And it's a bit of a radical idea, but could they use covid positive but asymptomatic staff to work with the covid patients?
They changed to reporting all beds to beds that can be used ie. staffing. Clearly, it does indeed show that at one point all the beds were full, but what the hell happened on the 4th December where it went from about 90 beds available, to about 50?
Presumably it's staffing?
And it's a bit of a radical idea, but could they use covid positive but asymptomatic staff to work with the covid patients?
MG CHRIS said:
Looks like all the lockdowns/ local lockdowns/ restrictions/ have been working a treat then oh no that's not happening is it. If its this bad the schools need to remain closed till at least end of jan if they don't makes any other measures a complete and utter waste of time. Lets see how much balls dripford and born guessing have.
I agree about schools but this creates huge childcare problems for most unless everything is shut down. My wife is a nurse and I run a construction company with 28 employees 16 of whom have kids. Either a new furlough with business support or.. .. . .....?If this new strain is better at doing what it does then kids are probably the ideal vector as very few are symptomatic.
Thus, it is a nightmare for politicians everywhere in the world. Very few have got it right and those that may have are from countries where the population are rule compliant.
As I see it, the vaccination system is very much the only thing that can be improved and if I was a decision maker (thankfully I'm not!), I would be throwing the collective intellect of the medical profession and logistics businesses at this now. FFS, if Amazon can get a small item to my house 12 hours after I ordered it?
We need Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk and the rest of their ilk on this. They know how to get stuff done!
Trophy Husband said:
MG CHRIS said:
Looks like all the lockdowns/ local lockdowns/ restrictions/ have been working a treat then oh no that's not happening is it. If its this bad the schools need to remain closed till at least end of jan if they don't makes any other measures a complete and utter waste of time. Lets see how much balls dripford and born guessing have.
I agree about schools but this creates huge childcare problems for most unless everything is shut down. My wife is a nurse and I run a construction company with 28 employees 16 of whom have kids. Either a new furlough with business support or.. .. . .....?If this new strain is better at doing what it does then kids are probably the ideal vector as very few are symptomatic.
Thus, it is a nightmare for politicians everywhere in the world. Very few have got it right and those that may have are from countries where the population are rule compliant.
As I see it, the vaccination system is very much the only thing that can be improved and if I was a decision maker (thankfully I'm not!), I would be throwing the collective intellect of the medical profession and logistics businesses at this now. FFS, if Amazon can get a small item to my house 12 hours after I ordered it?
We need Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk and the rest of their ilk on this. They know how to get stuff done!
But locking down while having schools still open is madness its like trying to stop a flood by putting a tiny sign up all we are achieving is f
king over business while still having high cases. Landcrab_Six said:
survivalist said:
Could be people leaving Wales to go on Holiday and bringing it back? Crazy concept, I know
My money is on a virus being virus-ey.Along with testing rates going up just over 500,000 test a day in the uk recently which will of course pick up more cases. But if you look at the lorry situation in dover over 10,000 test with just 24 positives wow such a high number not.
MG CHRIS said:
Trophy Husband said:
MG CHRIS said:
Looks like all the lockdowns/ local lockdowns/ restrictions/ have been working a treat then oh no that's not happening is it. If its this bad the schools need to remain closed till at least end of jan if they don't makes any other measures a complete and utter waste of time. Lets see how much balls dripford and born guessing have.
I agree about schools but this creates huge childcare problems for most unless everything is shut down. My wife is a nurse and I run a construction company with 28 employees 16 of whom have kids. Either a new furlough with business support or.. .. . .....?If this new strain is better at doing what it does then kids are probably the ideal vector as very few are symptomatic.
Thus, it is a nightmare for politicians everywhere in the world. Very few have got it right and those that may have are from countries where the population are rule compliant.
As I see it, the vaccination system is very much the only thing that can be improved and if I was a decision maker (thankfully I'm not!), I would be throwing the collective intellect of the medical profession and logistics businesses at this now. FFS, if Amazon can get a small item to my house 12 hours after I ordered it?
We need Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk and the rest of their ilk on this. They know how to get stuff done!
But locking down while having schools still open is madness its like trying to stop a flood by putting a tiny sign up all we are achieving is f
king over business while still having high cases. Hospitality? That's just tough but they need more guaranteed support. The good will survive, the carp will not.
I'm not sure you should be happy about zero chance of furlough though? I'd suggest that is a very precarious place to be but I wish you good luck.
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