The Future of Power Generation in Great Britain
Discussion
Ali G said:
Since you declare sufficient wisdom, you no doubt can advise upon how essential onshore (and offshore) wind are in the mix of UK energy generation.
Well, here's something I assisted on previously:https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
See section 3.4 (p 26).
MYOB said:
V8 Fettler said:
and he does attempt to post evidence in some form to support his views.
Sorry, I don't need to "post evidence" but I understand your blustering to avoid doing so. I'll let you have the last word. I'm done with you.
If you review my posts over the last 99 pages you'll see I've posted evidence on several occasions, including reference to twin reactor PWRs @ £3.5billion each, which was an opportunity which should have been grabbed by however many hands were available at the time.
MYOB said:
Ali G said:
Since you declare sufficient wisdom, you no doubt can advise upon how essential onshore (and offshore) wind are in the mix of UK energy generation.
Well, here's something I assisted on previously:https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
See section 3.4 (p 26).
Some Numpty said:
3.4.1 The UK has committed to sourcing 15% of its total energy (across the
sectors of transport, electricity and heat) from renewable sources by 2020
and new projects need to continue to come forward urgently to ensure that
we meet this target.
Whether achievable or not.sectors of transport, electricity and heat) from renewable sources by 2020
and new projects need to continue to come forward urgently to ensure that
we meet this target.
MYOB said:
Ali G said:
Since you declare sufficient wisdom, you no doubt can advise upon how essential onshore (and offshore) wind are in the mix of UK energy generation.
Well, here's something I assisted on previously:https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
See section 3.4 (p 26).
section 3.4 said:
Large scale deployment of renewables will help the UK to tackle climate change,
On a worldwide basis, the UK's CO2 emissions are negligible compared to China, the US and others, therefore any reductions the UK makes will have a negligible effect on the overall total tonnage of CO2 emitted worldwide.Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Which has Nothing to do with this thread.
Do you always measure yourself against others? Or strive to do whats right yourself ?
The future of power generation in Great Britain is very much to do with CO2 emissions.Do you always measure yourself against others? Or strive to do whats right yourself ?
Measure myself against others? Which part of your irrational mind did you dig that up from?
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Which has Nothing to do with this thread.
Do you always measure yourself against others? Or strive to do whats right yourself ?
Do what's right by whom? Those living in energy poverty deciding to heat or eat? Or those trading CO2 futures deciding which Michelin star restaurant to eat in this lunchtime? All based on an unproven hypothesis that gives idiot politicians a feeling of saving the world.Do you always measure yourself against others? Or strive to do whats right yourself ?
XM5ER said:
Do what's right by whom? Those living in energy poverty deciding to heat or eat? Or those trading CO2 futures deciding which Michelin star restaurant to eat in this lunchtime? All based on an unproven hypothesis that gives idiot politicians a feeling of saving the world.
I think the point is that the UK (and the EU amongst many others) have decided to demonstrate leadership and decide to do something that will bring some benefits to us. We can't force others to follow but we can lead the way and hope others eventually see fit to do the same.
Don't be too cynical.
Government tried previously to deal with energy and climate change under one Department. It didn't work. There are too many conflicts and the issues were separated again under the previous Machinery of Government when DECC was abolished.
Just like there are two threads here. One for generation and the other for climate change.
MYOB said:
XM5ER said:
Do what's right by whom? Those living in energy poverty deciding to heat or eat? Or those trading CO2 futures deciding which Michelin star restaurant to eat in this lunchtime? All based on an unproven hypothesis that gives idiot politicians a feeling of saving the world.
I think the point is that the UK (and the EU amongst many others) have decided to demonstrate leadership and decide to do something that will bring some benefits to us. We can't force others to follow but we can lead the way and hope others eventually see fit to do the same.
Don't be too cynical.
Government tried previously to deal with energy and climate change under one Department. It didn't work. There are too many conflicts and the issues were separated again under the previous Machinery of Government when DECC was abolished.
Just like there are two threads here. One for generation and the other for climate change.
Why would I not be cynical, history proves time and time again that governments act in their own interests, whether by design or by accident.
XM5ER said:
MYOB said:
XM5ER said:
Do what's right by whom? Those living in energy poverty deciding to heat or eat? Or those trading CO2 futures deciding which Michelin star restaurant to eat in this lunchtime? All based on an unproven hypothesis that gives idiot politicians a feeling of saving the world.
I think the point is that the UK (and the EU amongst many others) have decided to demonstrate leadership and decide to do something that will bring some benefits to us. We can't force others to follow but we can lead the way and hope others eventually see fit to do the same.
Don't be too cynical.
Government tried previously to deal with energy and climate change under one Department. It didn't work. There are too many conflicts and the issues were separated again under the previous Machinery of Government when DECC was abolished.
Just like there are two threads here. One for generation and the other for climate change.
Why would I not be cynical, history proves time and time again that governments act in their own interests, whether by design or by accident.
The only leadership this country is demonstrating (which word I always hear in a Dibnah style when I'm reading) is how to f
k up our economy, enrich the, er, rich and hit the poorest hardest.
MYOB said:
Ali G said:
Since you declare sufficient wisdom, you no doubt can advise upon how essential onshore (and offshore) wind are in the mix of UK energy generation.
Well, here's something I assisted on previously:https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
See section 3.4 (p 26).
rolando said:
Is this policy statement from 2011 still current? There's been quite a lot of water flowed under the bridge since then.
It's still used by planning officials and others with an interest in planning matters. https://infrastructure.planninginspectorate.gov.uk...
MYOB said:
rolando said:
Is this policy statement from 2011 still current? There's been quite a lot of water flowed under the bridge since then.
It's still used by planning officials and others with an interest in planning matters. https://infrastructure.planninginspectorate.gov.uk...
rolando said:
How does the House of Commons Written Statement (HCWS42) of June 2015 affect the 2011 policy statement, especially considering the work of local planners and the planning inspectorate? In my experience HCWS42 has certainly had a considerable influence around here. I wonder whether your experience is the same?
Don't forget I no longer work there anymore but yes, that written statement was a DECC-lead decision given the Department's lead in energy policy. But DCLG delivered that statement given they are the lead department for planning.
So yes, the policy in the written statement are considerations given to planning applications for wind farms. You will find that consent for onshore wind farms have slowed dramatically in the past few years, in part due to the shift in policy, which I understand the Conservatives had in their manifesto in that year's general election.
MYOB said:
Don't forget I no longer work there anymore but yes, that written statement was a DECC-lead decision given the Department's lead in energy policy.
But DCLG delivered that statement given they are the lead department for planning.
So yes, the policy in the written statement are considerations given to planning applications for wind farms. You will find that consent for onshore wind farms have slowed dramatically in the past few years, in part due to the shift in policy, which I understand the Conservatives had in their manifesto in that year's general election.
So we are in agreement that the 2015 written statement supersedes the 2011 policy statement and that onshore wind is no longer considered to be a government preferred option.But DCLG delivered that statement given they are the lead department for planning.
So yes, the policy in the written statement are considerations given to planning applications for wind farms. You will find that consent for onshore wind farms have slowed dramatically in the past few years, in part due to the shift in policy, which I understand the Conservatives had in their manifesto in that year's general election.
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