£7.50p a pint. That’s it I’m out

[Adam.]

snuffy said:

I happened to be in a pub like that a few months ago, I had a pint of something that I'd never heard of, and it barely passable. Someone else in our small group bought something else and hated it. We all tried it and said it was rank. So she took it back and they told her "You can't have your money back or something else, because you ordered it".

TBF that was a Thai restuarant / bar, the pubs usually have one or two bitters on draft.

I always have a taster if trying a new beer, especially at current prices

[snuffy]

Bannock said:

Sorry, snuffy, wasn't trying to contradict you. Just yelling my frustration into the internet.

That's okey, I've not taken umbridge !!

I, too, like a normal pint of bitter. Say a Black Sheep Ale, Courage Directors, Thwaites Wainwright, that type of thing.

Some CEO/MD/Something of a normal beer brand (I can't recall who it was) once described all these new and trendy beers as "twig beer", he said something like "some people are not happy unless their pint has twigs in it". Whoever it was, they were right as well !!

[Driver101]

Lord Marylebone said:

Adam. said:

£7.15 for neck oil at our post football local is taking the pee a bit though

I would pay a substantial sum to avoid drinking Neck Oil.

Heineken have managed to push prices up at the same time as the quality going down.

[Carl_Manchester]

ChocolateFrog said:

Black Sheep Brewery has gone bust according to my social media.

Shame as they did some decent beer.

I tour the Manchester festival beer scene, unless you have a range of IPA's and at least one novelty sweet drink in there, you'll be passed by the crowds.

In terms of pricing approx. 7 quid for a pint of Guinness seems to be becoming the norm around here.

[dcb]

Bannock said:

It also shows there isn't a single variety of bitter available, so not a pub I'd want to be in. IPA is not bitter for the avoidance of doubt, it's IPA. If a pub can't even serve one single type of session or best bitter, I'm unimpressed.

+1

Eight of 15 are pale ales. Fine if you like pale ales, not much choice if you don't.
No stout, porter or mild, either. Variety is a good thing.

I'd be going elsewhere with a choice like that, to say nothing of the prices.

[Gompo]

dcb said:

Bannock said:

It also shows there isn't a single variety of bitter available, so not a pub I'd want to be in. IPA is not bitter for the avoidance of doubt, it's IPA. If a pub can't even serve one single type of session or best bitter, I'm unimpressed.

+1

Eight of 15 are pale ales. Fine if you like pale ales, not much choice if you don't.
No stout, porter or mild, either. Variety is a good thing.

I'd be going elsewhere with a choice like that, to say nothing of the prices.

Anspach London Black appears to be a porter.

If I am intending to drink a reasonable amount, I'd usually be on some decent cider; if not then I usually go for something relatively dark - So not much there for me either.

[5pen]

dcb said:

Bannock said:

It also shows there isn't a single variety of bitter available, so not a pub I'd want to be in. IPA is not bitter for the avoidance of doubt, it's IPA. If a pub can't even serve one single type of session or best bitter, I'm unimpressed.

+1

Eight of 15 are pale ales. Fine if you like pale ales, not much choice if you don't.
No stout, porter or mild, either. Variety is a good thing.

I'd be going elsewhere with a choice like that, to say nothing of the prices.

+2 - selections like that really irritate me. This is my local’s current list and it changes every week, but the variety is always a feature. None of them are more than £5 (most are £4.40 to £4.80)

[Carl_Manchester]

minion world Orlando.

lube not included.

behold, the $12 IPA. £9.40 ish.

[Stan the Bat]

Carl_Manchester said:

minion world Orlando.

lube not included.

behold, the $12 IPA. £9.40 ish.

$6 for H2O

[eldar]

Speaking of water, beer is getting weaker and waterier….

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/06/18/dr...

[tamore]

eldar said:

Speaking of water, beer is getting weaker and waterier….

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/06/18/dr...

macro brewery pap has been getting weaker for years now. anyone remember stella in the men behaving badly era?

a while back carling was deliberately brewed at 3.7% as it's within the +/- 0.5% allowance against the badged ABV. saved them millions. farce really as brewing technology for the big boys don't require any leeway, but it allows the small guys to have a bit of variation due to ingredient variance.

[okgo]

Isn’t there various levels of duty at certain levels? Hence so many how seem to be 4.6% or whatever? And they can still charge the same for it.

I prefer the fuller flavour of a 5% lager personally but they’re becoming a rarity - Peroni/Asahi only really.

[eldar]

okgo said:

Isn’t there various levels of duty at certain levels? Hence so many how seem to be 4.6% or whatever? And they can still charge the same for it.

I prefer the fuller flavour of a 5% lager personally but they’re becoming a rarity - Peroni/Asahi only really.

The tax changes from 1/8/23.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/changes...

[tamore]

okgo said:

Isn’t there various levels of duty at certain levels? Hence so many how seem to be 4.6% or whatever? And they can still charge the same for it.

I prefer the fuller flavour of a 5% lager personally but they’re becoming a rarity - Peroni/Asahi only really.

calc is £19.08 per 100 litres per %ABV. so a litre of 4 percent beer is £0.7632 in duty. 4.5 percent is £0.8586 in duty. so every decimal point will attract a different duty rate.

small scale manufacturers get up to 50% reduction on duty,

edit - new duty calcs coming in seemingly to encourage lower ABV drinks. where the real impact would be to stop loss leading sales of slabs of generic pap in the supermarkets. but that wouldn't please the party donors would it?

Edited by tamore on Tuesday 20th June 21:13

[eldar]

tamore said:

calc is £19.08 per 100 litres per %ABV. so a litre of 4 percent beer is £0.7632 in duty. 4.5 percent is £0.8586 in duty. so every decimal point will attract a different duty rate.

small scale manufacturers get up to 50% reduction on duty,

edit - new duty calcs coming in seemingly to encourage lower ABV drinks. where the real impact would be to stop loss leading sales of slabs of generic pap in the supermarkets. but that wouldn't please the party donors would it?

Edited by tamore on Tuesday 20th June 21:13

Or the customers, who quote like cheaper beer than the £7.50 pint?

[tamore]

eldar said:

Or the customers, who quote like cheaper beer than the £7.50 pint?

i feel there could be significant middle ground. very good cask beer is sold by breweries for £1.10 per pint to pubs. keg probably £1.30.

[anonymous-user]

eldar said:

Speaking of water, beer is getting weaker and waterier….

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/06/18/dr...

Good.

I much prefer to drink 3-4% beers/ales as I get to enjoy drinking more of them without getting drunk and then suffering a hangover.

‘Session ales’ of lower ABV have been around for centuries, right back to the traditional ‘Small Beers’ of the 1700’s containing around 1-3% ABV.

It is a relatively recent (50 years) idea that higher alcohol levels in beer were to be considered ‘premium’.

[eldar]

tamore said:

i feel there could be significant middle ground. very good cask beer is sold by breweries for £1.10 per pint to pubs. keg probably £1.30.

If that could translate to a pub price of £3.50 then you’d certainly hope so. Expensive mortgages are just going to suck up more disposable income.

[tamore]

eldar said:

If that could translate to a pub price of £3.50 then you’d certainly hope so. Expensive mortgages are just going to suck up more disposable income.

definitely. as a brewery owner, it's looking bleak.

[lornemalvo]

My daughter bought me some bottles of Hawkstone lager from diddly squat farm shop. I don't drink lager and I didn't expect much but it's really rather nice (for reference I usually drink John Smith's bitter or Boddingtons.)

Edited by lornemalvo on Tuesday 20th June 22:18