The increasingly rapid demise of our Country
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rover 623gsi said:
Britain is great - there are a few s
tty parts and a few stty people, but on the whole it's still great. I would agree that this period we are living through is not the best but I disagree with those who suggest that we have been going inexorably downhill and that things will never get better.
I'm inclined to think a public appetite for more rigid enforcement of the law - post riots - may do this country the world of good. Some cause for optimism at least.tty parts and a few stty people, but on the whole it's still great. I would agree that this period we are living through is not the best but I disagree with those who suggest that we have been going inexorably downhill and that things will never get better.Edited by Johnnytheboy on Wednesday 24th August 13:17
ChiChoAndy said:
Eric Mc said:
Wholeheartedly agree.
Now, where do we start?
Cut back on the welfare state, and give the leeches a chance to invest in society, which may, or may not mean they have pride in the things they have to work to accrue. Now, where do we start?
jshell said:
What? Like, give them jobs? But, that's not in keeping with those who decry minimum wage and subsidised work.
Nowt wrong with minimum wane, per say, not that my post mentions anything about that. Folks who are on the dole, and are able to work, can keep,getting dole, IF they agree to do street cleaning, cleaning grafitti, working in national parks, and al sorts of other jobs that would help the community they are in. If they refuse, then snip, no more dole. They need to have a job... Any job will do. The immigrants who are supposedly taking their jobs, can't they simp,y do those jobs? Dish washer, street sweeper, window cleaner, work at a car wash, etc.it's too easy to sit at home collecting the dole, drinking tea and pretending to look for work. ChiChoAndy said:
jshell said:
What? Like, give them jobs? But, that's not in keeping with those who decry minimum wage and subsidised work.
Nowt wrong with minimum wane, per say, not that my post mentions anything about that. Folks who are on the dole, and are able to work, can keep,getting dole, IF they agree to do street cleaning, cleaning grafitti, working in national parks, and al sorts of other jobs that would help the community they are in. If they refuse, then snip, no more dole. They need to have a job... Any job will do. The immigrants who are supposedly taking their jobs, can't they simp,y do those jobs? Dish washer, street sweeper, window cleaner, work at a car wash, etc.it's too easy to sit at home collecting the dole, drinking tea and pretending to look for work. There has to be a programme that re-instills pride in people for a good day's work, well done. That means a lot of effort must be put into turning around generations of poverty/dole bred lack of aspiration. Dunno how it's done, but simlpy removing benefits won't work.
Eric Mc said:
Difficult to change the current generation of non-workers. You have to start young - so it's up to the schools to sort out the current 7 year olds.
Try to intill discipline and responsibility into the offspring of life-long doleys? Teachers hands are tied anyway, wait till they try to motivate the kids...the parents'll murder them.jshell said:
Eric Mc said:
Difficult to change the current generation of non-workers. You have to start young - so it's up to the schools to sort out the current 7 year olds.
Try to intill discipline and responsibility into the offspring of life-long doleys? Teachers hands are tied anyway, wait till they try to motivate the kids...the parents'll murder them.Break the cycle.
Eric Mc said:
Enpower the teachers.
Break the cycle.
Yup. Most of the teachers I know these days seem to work in the worst possible environment of beaurocracy. Check this, check that, fill in a form, read the procedures etc etc.Break the cycle.
Get some decent people in the job and let them get on with it!
anonymous said:
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Mary Schmichhttp://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-...
Edited by Melda on Tuesday 23 August 17:07
greygoose said:
Eric Mc said:
Enpower the teachers.
Break the cycle.
Empower Break the cycle.
.If they were allowed to discipline children without being arrested and threatened by chav parents then perhaps they would have a chance to break the cycle.
jshell said:
ChiChoAndy said:
jshell said:
What? Like, give them jobs? But, that's not in keeping with those who decry minimum wage and subsidised work.
Nowt wrong with minimum wane, per say, not that my post mentions anything about that. Folks who are on the dole, and are able to work, can keep,getting dole, IF they agree to do street cleaning, cleaning grafitti, working in national parks, and al sorts of other jobs that would help the community they are in. If they refuse, then snip, no more dole. They need to have a job... Any job will do. The immigrants who are supposedly taking their jobs, can't they simp,y do those jobs? Dish washer, street sweeper, window cleaner, work at a car wash, etc.it's too easy to sit at home collecting the dole, drinking tea and pretending to look for work. There has to be a programme that re-instills pride in people for a good day's work, well done. That means a lot of effort must be put into turning around generations of poverty/dole bred lack of aspiration. Dunno how it's done, but simlpy removing benefits won't work.
Melda said:
anonymous said:
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Mary Schmichhttp://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-...
Edited by Melda on Tuesday 23 August 17:07
anonymous said:
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anonymous said:
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Mary Schmichhttp://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-...
Edited by Melda on Tuesday 23 August 17:07
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